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I'm looking for ideas for next years series. IF I run one next year, that's still up in the air at this time.
Making the motos worth points instead of "everyone gets one point per moto" Say 8 points for 1st, 7 for 2nd, etc. And then making the main points double that. 16 for 1st, 14 for 2nd etc.
Giving bonus points for winning the holeshot award in the main. Say 2 points for it.
Giving bonus points for perfecting the motos.
Paying a maximum of the top 5 in the main. Regardless of how many people are registered. 5-10 riders pay the top 4, 11+ pay the top 5.
So lets hear some ideas and room for improvment from the guys that race the series. This is YOUR series and YOU should have a say in it.
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I like bonus points for the holeshot award. I don't know about awarding points for perfecting motos, although that might encourage some people to try all three rounds.
keep it simple.
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OK, here we go.
Stack the motos 8 deep with a purely random scramble each round. This makes the racing all three rounds better. The way it was this year if you got one first you could almost sit the next two rounds.
Award each rider 1 point for each rider present at a race (i.e. if there are 15 riders, you automatically leave with 15 points plus your moto points). So, bigger races yield bigger points.
Motos:
1st = 8, 2nd = 7, 3rd = 6 and so on.....
Mains 1st = 25, 2nd = 23, 3rd = 21, 4th = 19, 5th = 17, 6th = 15, 7th = 13, 8th = 11
Semi Points Too: 5th = 8, 6th = 7, 7th = 6 8th = 5
Just a few thoughts. Make it so if you want the points, you go to the races with larger turnouts. And, if you win those races, you are cashing in on the points. Also, tagging 8 points per win with motos means three wins in motos almost adds up to the main event win.... it'll make people not want to give up those moto points and therefore create a situation where squids like me can't pass everyone who sits in the second turn at Kingston, therefore eliminating Nick Stodolski, haha. And the semi points would eliminate the sitting when you are out of contention while also giving the riders who came to that bigger race a chance to grab some more points, even if they aren't transferring to the main.
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run them after or between the regular races
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OK, here we go.
Stack the motos 8 deep with a purely random scramble each round. This makes the racing all three rounds better. The way it was this year if you got one first you could almost sit the next two rounds. You have to explain this one to me this weekend. I'm kinda thick sometimes
Award each rider 1 point for each rider present at a race (i.e. if there are 15 riders, you automatically leave with 15 points plus your moto points). So, bigger races yield bigger points. I see your point on this, but on the other side of the coin it would almost be like punishing the riders that show up and have a low rider count. CNY was the smallest event with only 8
Motos:
1st = 8, 2nd = 7, 3rd = 6 and so on.....
Mains 1st = 25, 2nd = 23, 3rd = 21, 4th = 19, 5th = 17, 6th = 15, 7th = 13, 8th = 11
Semi Points Too: 5th = 8, 6th = 7, 7th = 6 8th = 5
Just a few thoughts. Make it so if you want the points, you go to the races with larger turnouts. And, if you win those races, you are cashing in on the points. Also, tagging 8 points per win with motos means three wins in motos almost adds up to the main event win.... it'll make people not want to give up those moto points and therefore create a situation where squids like me can't pass everyone who sits in the second turn at Kingston, therefore eliminating Nick Stodolski, haha. And the semi points would eliminate the sitting when you are out of contention while also giving the riders who came to that bigger race a chance to grab some more points, even if they aren't transferring to the main. |
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| run them after or between the regular races |
It's kinda tough with some tracks having 2 in one day and others doing weekend events.
I usually have the motos ready to go before the regular race motos are ready. Once I have a moto count I insert the pro/ams in the middle of the round. I'm trying to keep it fair for the cruiser riders.
In the event of semis they will have to be run after the third round of motos just like everything else. I've been trying to have the main as an almost halftime event. And give the guys a break beforehand. The problem with this is that the track volunteers keep disappearing on me before we can run the main. That results in a longer delay to run it because we have to herd all the scorers back up.
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my thing is having them interfere with the regular races, people that just stop pedaling going around a turn because they want to conserve energy for the money open so somebody gets by ya when you're getting held up so you don't make the main and waste $20+
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| my thing is having them interfere with the regular races, people that just stop pedaling going around a turn because they want to conserve energy for the money open so somebody gets by ya when you're getting held up so you don't make the main and waste $20+ |
I see your point. The only thing that I can suggest is tell the guys that are racing the money open to roll the gate if they intend to shut it down later in the race anyhow. That way they won't interfere with the guys busting their asses out there. I know that that probably isn't cool. But having to run 3 motos, semis (maybe) and mains in between races will only delay the second race of the day even more. People were complaining at Tri City about the late start of the second race. Can you imagine what grief I would get (from both sides) by trying to run all those races in between races...
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OK, here we go.
Stack the motos 8 deep with a purely random scramble each round. This makes the racing all three rounds better. The way it was this year if you got one first you could almost sit the next two rounds. You have to explain this one to me this weekend. I'm kinda thick sometimes
Award each rider 1 point for each rider present at a race (i.e. if there are 15 riders, you automatically leave with 15 points plus your moto points). So, bigger races yield bigger points. I see your point on this, but on the other side of the coin it would almost be like punishing the riders that show up and have a low rider count. CNY was the smallest event with only 8
Motos:
1st = 8, 2nd = 7, 3rd = 6 and so on.....
Mains 1st = 25, 2nd = 23, 3rd = 21, 4th = 19, 5th = 17, 6th = 15, 7th = 13, 8th = 11
Semi Points Too: 5th = 8, 6th = 7, 7th = 6 8th = 5
Just a few thoughts. Make it so if you want the points, you go to the races with larger turnouts. And, if you win those races, you are cashing in on the points. Also, tagging 8 points per win with motos means three wins in motos almost adds up to the main event win.... it'll make people not want to give up those moto points and therefore create a situation where squids like me can't pass everyone who sits in the second turn at Kingston, therefore eliminating Nick Stodolski, haha. And the semi points would eliminate the sitting when you are out of contention while also giving the riders who came to that bigger race a chance to grab some more points, even if they aren't transferring to the main. |
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What he is saying Clint, is that the top 2 finishers already know what their moto is like, so the know that it might be an easy win again until semis or main time.
If you alternate each moto by doing a blind draw, that eliminates the possibility of someone getting an easy win again. Thus making them race against different riders each moto.
Hope this helped.
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OK, here we go.
Stack the motos 8 deep with a purely random scramble each round. This makes the racing all three rounds better. The way it was this year if you got one first you could almost sit the next two rounds. You have to explain this one to me this weekend. I'm kinda thick sometimes
Award each rider 1 point for each rider present at a race (i.e. if there are 15 riders, you automatically leave with 15 points plus your moto points). So, bigger races yield bigger points. I see your point on this, but on the other side of the coin it would almost be like punishing the riders that show up and have a low rider count. CNY was the smallest event with only 8
Motos:
1st = 8, 2nd = 7, 3rd = 6 and so on.....
Mains 1st = 25, 2nd = 23, 3rd = 21, 4th = 19, 5th = 17, 6th = 15, 7th = 13, 8th = 11
Semi Points Too: 5th = 8, 6th = 7, 7th = 6 8th = 5
Just a few thoughts. Make it so if you want the points, you go to the races with larger turnouts. And, if you win those races, you are cashing in on the points. Also, tagging 8 points per win with motos means three wins in motos almost adds up to the main event win.... it'll make people not want to give up those moto points and therefore create a situation where squids like me can't pass everyone who sits in the second turn at Kingston, therefore eliminating Nick Stodolski, haha. And the semi points would eliminate the sitting when you are out of contention while also giving the riders who came to that bigger race a chance to grab some more points, even if they aren't transferring to the main. |
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What he is saying Clint, is that the top 2 finishers already know what their moto is like, so the know that it might be an easy win again until semis or main time.
If you alternate each moto by doing a blind draw, that eliminates the possibility of someone getting an easy win again. Thus making them race against different riders each moto.
Hope this helped. |
So scrambling the motos would help. We can do that. I may have to cut registration (15 minutes) short since I hand draw all the stuff. Just to make sure I have them ready in time
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Also in order to make it easier to qualify for a plate we will be using the best 3 out of 6 qualifiers instaed of the best 4. That way the upstate guys can get their's at CNY, Tri-City, and Catamount (or Kingston)
The downstate guys have Kingston, New Paltz and Shoreham (or Tri-City)
Saving some travel expenses for all of you.
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only if the girls class gets "trophy boys" too..hey whats good for one...right? |
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nick why are you concerned with the trophy girls and podium it doesnt affect you. jk
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| This may be totally off topic......... trophy girls and a podium? |
Sorry not in the budget. No big checks either 
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If you schmooze mdurg, he might make some for ultra cheap.
As for the trophy girls, I'm sure that if we send Ross and Jeremy into Utica with a $20 dollar bill a large pizza they can come up with three questionable ladies.
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Here's what I have so far for next year.
Intense BMX: 3 Podium frames (mini, expert & pro) 3 jerseys, banners
Felt: 2 Sector frames (haven't discussed sizes yet), 2 jerseys, Alex wheelsets, and whatever else Alan has laying around
Avent: 2 NEO frames (expert and pro), 2 Bomshell cranksets, and whatever else Cathy can throw in.
Fly Racing: couple hundred dollars worth of helmets and racewear
Johnson Plates will be doing it up again next year
Looking good for: Addison Bikes
Still waiting on responses from: SE, Shadow Conspiracy, Tektro, Chris King, Bulldog, Free Agent, GHP, Kovachi, Supercross, Staats, Standard, UGP, Utopia Optics and ODI (follow up phone calls start this week)
Profile, Fox Racing, S&M said no thanks
If anyone has contact info for Shimano & Roadkill (their email on the website in no good) I sure can use it.
Anyone that I missed? I'm open to ANY ideas. And if anyone has a specific contact name for any of the companies listed PM them to me.
I am also going to start a MYSPACE page for the Pro/Am series since Rose won't post anything on the state website anymore. I'd like to get a regular website, but have no idea how to do it and don't really have the time or money for it.
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before I got to the end of your post I was thinking that it needed its own website. Myspace works... need photos.. lots of photos and video... Post a bio of each of the riders in the series. Maybe an interview?
Will the series still run on state qualifier days? Or do it separately... maybe on double point or Warnicke race days... and see if the 2 western NY tracks are insterested? (prolly a dumb idea, but just thinking out loud) |
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idk nick u ever seen ross in his cowboy hat.... u might need alot more than 20 bucks an a pizza.... haha.... but yea sounds like alot of good ideas being thrown around that would really help this grow even more... i think the part that kills the actual motos is that the guys running the pro am just chill because they have to race them. the pros that show up dont even have to race anything else.... its a severe handicap for the amatures. the myspace page also a big plus since everyone will easially be able to post comments and see updates to the series 
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before I got to the end of your post I was thinking that it needed its own website. Myspace works... need photos.. lots of photos and video... Post a bio of each of the riders in the series. Maybe an interview?
Will the series still run on state qualifier days? Or do it separately... maybe on double point or Warnicke race days... and see if the 2 western NY tracks are insterested? (prolly a dumb idea, but just thinking out loud) |
I would still like to keep it with the NYS series. It makes it easier for everyone, since most are at the tracks for the state races anyhow.
I don't really have any photos. Just the couple on my MYSPACE page.
I was thinking about the pther NY tracks. But all the driving this past season damn near put me in the poorhouse as it was.
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| i think the part that kills the actual motos is that the guys running the pro am just chill because they have to race them. the pros that show up dont even have to race anything else.... its a severe handicap for the amatures. |
I had a couple riders complain at one of the qualifiers about guys sitting in the first turn. Which caused problems with others that were actually racing.
I explain to riders that are new in the series. (that are just there for one race) that they have to REGISTER for their class. But if they intend to not run competitively, roll the gate and stay out of the way of the guys that are.
I agree that the pro's not having to race is a handicap. I had this discussion at the beginning of last season. There is no class for them. And if there were to be a class where they HAVE to register, then someone needs to pony up some prize money for that class also.
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maybe they could tuck an elite class in.... although i know they dont want anything to do with state series.... not sure just thinkin outloud
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