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is there any actual reason egg harbor always gets a regional or national and its not given to any other track?
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im thinking cuz they do it so eairly in season there is no other tracks that can compete for it since they arnt open or able to be ready
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Egg Harbor has what it takes to have a large race such as a natonal or regional. There is camping at the track and raesonable lodging close by. Plus gas prices in NJ and especially in the EHT area are real cheap. The track is always one of the best in the Northeast are there is plenty of parking. I agree that the nbl doesn't use common sense when it comes to scheduling races and I told them so at Congress one year. I told them then that there are no tracks open then and parents would get better use with their money if they used it to wipe their butts and flush it down the drain ! Didn't go over well ! But everyone is out of shape then and if you expect this race to be a keeper with points forget it unless you are that one in a hundred rider who will win no matter when you race. NBL stands for No Business Leadership ! |
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| The track is always one of the best in the Northeast |
Haven't been there recently, huh?
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I was down there in April for the Regional and I stopped by during the summer to look over things when there wasn't any races. In April it looked like the track flowed alright and the races looked competitive. I didn't hear anyone complaining. I know that Les does't have as much to do with the track but he is still there. I think the biggest problem is with the scheduling on the race. Years ago they held nationals there in May and they were one of the largest rider counts of the season. You live and learn from your accomplishments and failures. But the nbl does not learn this way I guess ? |
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I think what you're thinking of as that being one of the top tracks in the Northeast took place about 5-8 years ago, when Rotterdam was at the top of the heap too. It used to be that Egg Harbor was the best groomed track with one of the best surfaces. I can't really say that I have seen that in the last 3 years at least.
The second straight at that track this Spring for the Regional was awkward, while the rest of the track seemed in need of maintenance.
Bottom line, I don't know how they get the Regional every year, because I think there are plenty of tracks that deserve it more.
Last year, Shoreham was also a track that didn't deserve it.
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imma take the politically correct route and say shoreham wasnt "ready" for it lol
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Like I said before they have what many other tracks do not have and that is all the amemities that most tracks do not have. You being a rider know more about track conditions but what they have to offer is very important because if parents or riders can't afford to attend a race at a certain track then they will not go and there are things that always should be considered such as lodging. If lodging rates are over $100.00 per night and they are over 10 minutes from the track you got a problem. I have seen the nbl schedule races at tracks at the wrong time of the year. They have scheduled races at places during high tourist season. Rates are high and rooms are hard to find. If you schedule races and there these problems then rider turn out will be low and there are dozens of examples and everyone except those who schedule these races knows what races I'm refering to ? EHT doesn't have these problems and gas is real cheap there which makes it a extremely affordable place to host a large race. |
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the egg harbor race however falls in a very challenging part of the year weather wise.... it is a long trip and as far as few people i know none of us have any intrest in spending the money to go with such a high chance of 30 40deg weather or constant rain.... lodging wise it is nice to have something but as far as their amenitys... camping isnt a big thing other than those few with campers an motorhomes... those tryin to save money wouldnt beable to tent... comfortably anyway... and sadly still need to get out of ny to get there...cheap gas is a plus tho but that wouldnt talk me into going there.... those are my thoughts
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I don't know where the cheap lodging is there. And, I don't really know of any good hotels within 5 minutes of the place. And like Dmac said, the sub 40 degree nighttime temperatures don't exactly encourage camping. All I am saying is that the race in Egg Harbor is less than ideal. I could think of a lot better dates to hold it, but they insist on having it while it is still effectively winter.
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Which is why that race will never get the #'s it used to or should get.
I went there 3 yrs in a row, and it rained every year, spent $250 on a hotel and had my car rearended.
Definitely a trip I won't make again.
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We use to go down there starting with the Jack Frost race and then every weekend until mid April. I know where all the hotels are and there are many that are 60 to 70 dollars a night and with in 5 to 10 minutes from the track. Heck I use to reserve a whole floor at Pier 4 for all our team members at a reduce rate.
I agree that they should never have a race like this when they are having this one. Not long ago the scheduled a national there in March and then 2 weeks later a national in Shoreham ! Now that was real STUPID as so is this ! |
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atlantic city. the nbl wants to go to atlantic city. hahahahhaha. you never know.
that and from my observations and im my opinion regionals are given to a track to
A) help out a struggling track
B) see if a track is ran smooth enough to hold a national
anyone notice like 2nice tracks get regionals and two crap ones do?
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What it comes down to is who's ass you kiss ! If you buck the system even a little you don't get the races. Then they give new tracks these races even before they see if they can run a regular race properly. They say they have standards but when you look at where they put the races makes you wonder what the standards really are ? |
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From what i have heard from someone that races there is that they are lucky to have 8 motos on a race day so they do not even bother racing there even though they live ten minutes away. I forget what track they go to instead. Dunno if that is any reason for what NBL is doing. |
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EHT has never had large local rider turnout. Even in the mid to late 90's they only had 18 to 20. But they always had good turnouts for any large race. The poor turnout was attributed to local NJ riders and parents who didn't like a certain official there. During State races we had a major problem getting track volunteers for corner marchalls, staging etc. |
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i try to volunteer at any track usually sweeping the berms or something because i hate poor track conditions.
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I would like to make some predictions as to who gets a regional in 2010.
new paltz
some virginia track
egg harbor
and another va track
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| i try to volunteer at any track usually sweeping the berms or something because i hate poor track conditions. |
Y does track conditions concern you richie. you coast around holding up the race with you lack of speed and skill.
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