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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah Dmac,
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the mindset is different for a park rider. They are out there to simply have fun - and it's cheap. Last year I built my bike and, Jeff, Durg, Keagan, Myself and Kyle all kind of split costs. Well, at least Jeff, Durg and myself do, going out to ride in Rochester. We leave at 3 in the afternoon, drive out there, ride for 3-5 hours, and then come home. It costs $10 to ride for that period of time.
Compare that to a national. You know the numbers there.
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I agree with just about everything Clint said.
When I heard first heard how the state series was run (runing 2 races in one day) I was dumbfounded why they would do such a thing. Of course I was coming out of my 20 year time warp... they did not have to do that in the 80s. Supposedly at one time the state series was a 2 day event. It shrunk down to a 1 day event, but they still kept the same amount of races (DUMB).
I'll race whatever is convenient. It's riding so it's all good. but it's like "who's Line is it" where the points just don't matter. It's a lot cheaper to go to the skatepark and I get to ride a lot more. |
Personally I like the two in one day format. It's a pain in the ass for the guys running the pro/am, I know. But when they tried last season to make it a weekend event at a couple tracks, I was just there for the Saturday race and left. I WILL NOT do overnights for a state race. There are only so many weekends in the season. And racing isn't getting all of them from me.
The only reason that we were at all the races last year was because of the pro/am. Matt had perfects in his first 6 qualifiers and there was no need to hit any after that.
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if you look at the aba state series they all pretty much suck too.
aba locals even in california only pull about 20 motos.
new paltz pulls that.
nbl grands is better cause its outisde. i like my bmx outside. if it rains oh well im no puss puss ill race in the rain. i aint afraid to get dirty.
at one point tedesco or clayton didnt have any experience either.
heck look at any pro sports. the bucs new head coach with a position coach for one month.
ken masters seems cool to me. i have emailed him a couple times and is very polite and listening.
the aba only makes more money due to california being able to ride all year long. only place you can really do that in nbl is flordia and the southeast.
if the nbl grows more in the southeast it will be just as good as aba.
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been lookin over the aba nat schedule....... i dont see anything other than horseheads national being even remotly close..... only positive thing is their grands are end of nov when im laid off so i could make it to them 
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rockford and milford are the next closest.
since but are uci one day and pro the next the trip would be worth it in my opinion cause pro races draw higher moto counts.
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| rsmith wrote: |
if you look at the aba state series they all pretty much suck too.
aba locals even in california only pull about 20 motos.
new paltz pulls that.
nbl grands is better cause its outisde. i like my bmx outside. if it rains oh well im no puss puss ill race in the rain. i aint afraid to get dirty.
at one point tedesco or clayton didnt have any experience either.
heck look at any pro sports. the bucs new head coach with a position coach for one month.
ken masters seems cool to me. i have emailed him a couple times and is very polite and listening.
the aba only makes more money due to california being able to ride all year long. only place you can really do that in nbl is flordia and the southeast.
if the nbl grows more in the southeast it will be just as good as aba. |
Tedesco and Clayton were basically pioneers of this sport. The new guy is walking into an already functioning atmosphere with little to no BMX background.
You may stand in a room of few who enjoy paying $1000 to travel to the biggest race of the year to have it rain. I know I would rather be indoors without the threat of weather ruining my chances, and I'm sure I have many others who will back me.
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[quote="AdvanceCycleryRider]Tedesco and Clayton were basically pioneers of this sport. The new guy is walking into an already functioning atmosphere with little to no BMX background.
You may stand in a room of few who enjoy paying $1000 to travel to the biggest race of the year to have it rain. I know I would rather be indoors without the threat of weather ruining my chances, and I'm sure I have many others who will back me.[/quote]
thats my thoughts entirely and ac is nice when avaliable too
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I like the Grands to be outside, but the indoor aspect has sooo many advantages.
I think the NBL stays outdoor so they don't have to pay for an indoor facility.
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its def cost cutting messure... no facilty to book and pay for.... dont have to truck in glay and make a track for each one and no concrete floors underneith them when outside :-p
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just thinking outloud.... i know theres been some intrest on an indoor facility in syracuse..... and aba or nbl would be backing it obviously.... is there possablity knowing aba is a profitable business that they could help invest in a "northeast bmx training center" or something to make it sound important, that way riders in the northeast can keep up with riding year round aswell as holding races weekly and ride daily...... as much as id like to see nbl emerge from this slump promotionally to the aba it would give them an amazing facilty that could bring their northeast membership WAY up and help gain intrest over the nbl....... id recomend it same but opposite to the nbl however i dont feel them having any ablity to help financially support this in anyway... but maybe u could sell it to them same way as ablity to help keep northeast riding and growing and prevent it from converting to aba... just throwing ideas out and hoping to see something come around that we can ride at all week long
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Talk to Tom smith about this. I believe he has already tried.
The facility needs a backer or a couple backers to help stabilize it.
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oh i know he mentioned he tryed nbl which as we know doesnt have the financing... but maybe aba if pressured could take some extra financial responsablity in the project
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Feel free to contact them. I am out. The building is too far away for me to commute to run it. I am pretty sure the place could be up and running with a little over $100,000 down money....
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The building is there in foreclosure, waiting for somebody who wants to do something for this sport and the people involved.
Like Tom said. If we could come up with $100k, we could be in there operating.
I live 7 minutes from there, so I could be involved with the day to day stuff. Just wouldn't quit my full time job to run it unless it proved to be profitable at some point.
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Now correct me if I'm wrong but from what I have heard about the indoor site in Syracuse is that they want 1 million for the building with $100,000 down. Then to get it open it will cost thousands of dollar just to get it up to code. With all that in consideration the mortgage would be at least 8 thousand per month ! How could any business survive and that doesn't inculude utilities, insurance and what would have to be spent on getting the place ready to race ? |
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thats where the theory of pushing for tax breaks working with nbl as a non for profit orginization and hoping they could chip in would come from or hopeing aba could front 100,000 with the desire of massive returns though the years for indoor training racing and pulling a great indoor track to get alot of the north east involved in aba which is prominently nbl
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Even with someone fronting the 100k it isn't a good financial venture. After that money who would come up with all the rest ? Just to get it open would cost additional thousands of dollars. There is no way a facility could afford the monthly expense's which could end up being 8 to 10k a month |
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just electric water taxes... and might beable to strike deal with them for lower taxes since ur taking over an "empty" warehouse of sorts and making the value of land higher ect... i mean it would take solid business plan and people moving in as a bike shop to help offset costs... not sure on size but maybe have a diner also move into corner.... they got them in cali so if u could get into it with investors and no overhead........ the day to day should be atainable for those ambitious and business minded enough to make it happen.... i have ideas but not enough business knoledge to pull it together and KNOW if and how it will work... ive always thought if we tryed to get one them goldenbear bubbles or something u could throw track inside and it should be tax free since its not perminent structure... theres some ideas for an ambitious someone
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When Headrush had control of the building they said there was no way they could afford it and now with all the added expenses it sure looks like a wet dream to me but you never know ? It would be great if some person would donate a bunch of money but with these hard times money is tight. |
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Headrush never had control of the building. Ken sold the land to Mulvaney Motorsports who built the building and the track. Someone could hold a race in that building TODAY if they had the down money, the track is built and just sitting there. A concession area with kitchen is there, some of the nicest restrooms I have ever seen... 10,000 feet of retail space walled off from the track with windows floor to ceiling. I know the payment on 750,000 is 5500 a month...but, yes, it is wet dream at this point..will never see the light of day...
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they tried the bubble thing in Mass. a few years ago and I heard it fell down, not good. And it would have to be one big ass tent, at least 150x200...
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i think thats what the golden bear tents are..... or 150 150.... there has been one here and i belive syracuse and rochester for atleast 10 15 years now and havent heard of any sevear issues with them
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well idk the costs but heres link to the company that makes the domes... they have all kinds of them
http://www.yeadondomes.com/
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Tom, FYI - Ken never owned the building. He works for Jacob who owns Headrush. From what I learned is that sense nothing has gone on in that building in quite a while it now must pass inspection to meet all code specs. I was told that there is quite a few things that is now needed to meet code specs which will add a bunch of added money if the project were to happen. Your figures are lower than what I was told but it still is a bunch of money to shell out every month. It just doesn't look like it would be possible to afford. |
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I was under the impression that Ken WAS Headrush. That is quite possible about the codes, the building has been unoccupied going on 3 years now. I can say that if that beautiful building was in Cortland or Ithaca, or closer than 35 miles from my house I would have moved mountains to make it happen....
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