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marginallymanic
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: Islam. A murderous c |
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A disclaimer. Largs seems to think that I claim Christians are worse than Muslims.
I claim that religion is nuts, and some sects are more nuts than others. Islam being generally more nuts than Christianity. Having said that lets be clear. Some Christians are much more nuts than some Muslims. Despite that, I find it possible to admire some Christians and some Muslims, and some Jews, and some Buddhists, etc, etc...........ad infinitum
Having got that clarification out of the way
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=10262
Now I understand that he represents a "murderous cult", but if you happen to have an open mind, and actually want to know what this guy says rather than relying upon your misconceptions, then you may want to read:
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=10263
Now I am absolutely sure that changed lots of minds :)
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10 July 2008 - According to the VVD, the municipality has awarded a 23,400-euro subsidy to the Islam and Dialogue Foundation, which is related to the Turkish cleric Fethullah Gülen. Critics call the Gülen movement sectarian.
In a NOVA documentary last Friday, Professor Erik-Jan Zürcher, an expert on Turkish society, said that the Gülen movement very actively encourages its followers to get a diploma and to make a career for themselves. It would also be very apt at adopting the Dutch discourse of dialogue and integration.
However, he also said that the organisation turns its members into 'servile followers' who have to accept their leader's message as absolute truth. These are not characteristics that are helpful if one wants to get ahead in a democratic society, he said.
Zürcher further said that the Dutch government "far too easily gives money and facilities to representatives of immigrant groups who know how to push the right buttons".
In a response to the NOVA documentary, the Islam and Dialogue Foundation does not deny its connections with the Gülen movement. "In these uncertain times in which violence seems to cast a shadow over the relation between Muslims and others, we consider Mr Gülen's contribution a historic opportunity for peace".
The VVD wants the municipality to screen applications for subsidies submitted by religious organisations more thoroughly. The party not only criticises the subsidy for the Islam and Dialogue Foundation, but also a 40,000-euro subsidy for a Whitsun festival, which was used in part to organise eight church services.
Earlier this month, Gülen won Prospect Magazine's election of today's top public intellectual, a poll in which over half a million people participated. The victory has been explained as evidence of his skill at mobilising his estimated 5 million followers.
"Unusually for a pious intellectual, he and his movement are at home with technology, markets and multinational business, and especially with modern communications and public relations - which, like a modern televangelist, he uses to attract converts", the Prospect comments.
http://www.nieuwsuitamsterdam.nl/English/2008/07/gulen.htm
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n a recent immigration court case involving Turkish Islamic Leader, Fetullah Gulen, US prosecutors exposed an illegal, covert, CIA operation involving the intentional Islamization of Central Asia. This operation has been ongoing since the fall of the Soviet Union in an ongoing Cold War to control the vast energy resources of the region - Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan - estimated to be worth $3 trillion.
Court Case
The scene for these dramatic disclosures was an application for a Green Card in the Eastern District Court in Philadelphia by "controversial Islamic scholar" Fetullah Gulen. Gulen, who has been living in the United States since 1998, argued that he qualified for the Green Card as "an extraordinarily talented academic."
Sibel Edmonds Case
Twenty six people wrote reference letters supporting Gulen's application for a Green Card - most notably ex-CIA agent George Fidas, former Turkish ambassador Morton Abramowitz, and former CIA Deputy Director Graham Fuller who appears in Sibel Edmonds' State Secrets Privilege Gallery.
more at
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Court-Documents-Shed-Light-by-Luke-Ryland-080711-771.html
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In researching this article, The Sunday Times has talked to two FBI officers (one serving, one former) and two former CIA sources who worked on nuclear proliferation. While none was aware of specific allegations against officials she names, they did provide overlapping corroboration of Edmonds’s story.
One of the CIA sources confirmed that the Turks had acquired nuclear secrets from the United States and shared the information with Pakistan and Israel. “We have no indication that Turkey has its own nuclear ambitions. But the Turks are traders. To my knowledge they became big players in the late 1990s,” the source said. |
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece
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A man whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War ll owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.'Very few people were true Nazis 'he said,' but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies
destroyed my factories.
'We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. The hard quantifiable fact is that the 'peaceful majority', the 'silent majority', is cowed and extraneous.
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