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jazzbro
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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I would also suggest the these stooges are essentially saying the same thing as Wright, that America brought 9/11 upon itself
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Wright said a lot more than that. Which is why they aren't very comparable. And why Barrack determined he had to jettison him.
And of course the 'they' are different. Wright's 'they' consist of many of the people Barrack requires in order to get elected (the damn white Americans Wright apparently despises). (Which is probably why BARRACK HIMSELF DISASSOCIATED HIMSELF WITH WRIGHT.) Falwell and Robertson's 'they' were groups they didn't need for their own support and are probably fringe to the Rep's support.
If one of the major victims of this perceived 'double standard' who has ambitions to be leader of the nation doesn't name it, challenge it, rise above it and overcome it, maybe there actually isn't a double standard. (Or alternatively, maybe he's not worthy of being the leader).
In any event, hopefully Hillary will finally see the writing on the wall and concede now after NC and Indiana. If she doesn't it could get very ugly. |
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Monty Burns
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[quote="marginallymanic]Monty
In one of those primaries, I cannot remember which, Obama wasn't even on the ballot, because they didn't count.[/quote]
Yeah, I know. I think it was Michigan but I can't remember.
but the logic is so circular. It didn't count so Obama wasn't on the ballot so it doesn't need to count.
My gut says even if he was on the ballot in both states and they were both fully contested (as no doubt they would be) they would be big Hillary states (like I say, blue collar and older in michigan, older and latinos in Florida....prime Hillary territory)
So Michigan and Florida won't count and so Obama will "win"
Yet Hillary has won pretty much all the big states as far as I can tell
CA
NY
FL (let's put it in her column)
PA
OH
PA
TX
In fact pretty much all the big states, except for Illinois did Obama even win any of the top 10??
Now riddle me this:
If, in the 2008 presidential election, John McCain were to win the election in spite of Obama winning all the big states like Hillary has, because one of them "didn't count" for some reason (or something equivalent) - wouldn't someone think it odd or illegitimate?
The media aren't talking about it because they're so horny for Obama to win. The SNL skit had it right.
and I'm not running the guy down....but he is benefiting from a stupendous level of double standard, let's be clear about it.
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marginallymanic
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Drudge pretty much calls it for Obama
http://www.drudgereport.com/
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jazzbro
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: |
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MB - my understanding is that Michigan and Florida were determined not to count because the Democratic Party determined they were not going to count because they moved their primaries up against the wishes of the party.
So a move now to count THOSE delegates would be more like one team (the Hillary team) arguing that a baseball game called after 7 innings due to rain - as per the standard rules of baseball - should now count two extra innings because the team that found itself losing after 7 innings (the Hillary team) suddenly didn't like the rules - despite agreeing to them beforehand.
Does anyone really think that if the situation were reversed (i.e. - if Obama was losing) that Hillary would be arguing that Michigan and Florida should count? Yet again I see this simply as politics. There's no need to project some double standard on this - it's pure politics.
Hillary is simply showing herself to be the desperate power-hungry shrew she no doubt is. This'll get ugly if she pushes it further. |
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I think the whole issue with McCain getting a free pass with Hagee was that both candidates had virulent religious bigots in their stable but Obama's was getting all the negative attention. Leading one to ask oneself whether it's okay to hate Catholics as a group but not Caucasian Americans as a group? What happens if you're a Caucasian Catholic? Do you get double-hated?
I'd be much happier if candidates would stop courting religious leaders altogether--and yes, Buddha, I know that doesn't happen in the Real World.
Jazz, ultimately none of this counts. The only significant change that will come of the November election is that that vile old b***** Dick Cheney will be ousted from his bunker and taxpayers will not be responsible for the ambulances that follow him everywhere he goes.
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The thing is...the Republican power base is partly about kissing up to the religious right. And so McCain has to court Hagee and his ilk. On the other hand, Obama did not go looking for the endorsement of Wright. In fact, when Wright said things he did not agree with, Obama made it pretty clear what he thought of Wright's radical musings. And he has had to go on the defensive because it is more or less assumed that he agrees with Wright. He has to answer to Wright's views.
McCain on the other hand is given, in comparison, a free ride with respect to Hagee's radical views.
Do you think it could be the "liberal bias" of the American media machine?
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Obama didn't go looking for Wrights endorsement? Are you shitting me? How does one not anticipate an endorsment from ones spiritual advisor for the past 20 years? Am I also supposed to believe that democrats, specifically politicians who regularily attend church, are only doing so solely because of their strong faith? Give your head a shake. All politicians know they need to be a seen attending church if they want to increase their chances of election. In spite of the separation of church and state, Americans still prefer their leaders have religion. I am also not suggesting all politicians who attend church are doing so only for political reasons, but I will suggest not a single politician of any stripe would refuse an endorsement from a religious leader. They all seek endrosements from religious leaders, and they couldn't be contenders for the presidency if they didn't.
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To be honest it would be easy to forget McCain is even running because you don't see him on the news. Obama and the Dem race are all over the news. Maybe it's because at this time McCain isn't really newsworthy let alone the obscure preacher he has??
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that vile old b***** Dick Cheney
Maybe if McCain wins, he will have him in his cabinet, that should make your day, eh MW?
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He did not seek out Wright's endorsement and if he got it now he would reject it. That's the big difference I see. There is a double standard, no doubt about it.
Hagee is brushed over...Wright is made a huge issue. Anyone who can't see that is blind. |
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| Maybe if McCain wins, he will have him in his cabinet, that should make your day, eh MW? |
Oh my God. Why didn't that particular catastrophe ever occur to me?
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"On one key measure, Obama has seen a big reversal since his denunciation of Wright’s remarks on Tuesday. He now leads presumptive Republican nominee John McCain in the hypothetical fall contest by eleven points, 51 percent to 40 percent. That compares to a tied match-up in a CBS News/New York Times poll that was released last Wednesday"
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Double standards or not Obama seems to put the fires out quick. I read somewhere that windbag Rush is hoping that Obama is the candidate. I think he should be careful what he wishes for.
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