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Phillippe
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Québec has an equally troubling problem with Native youths, but I'm not sure it is as bad as it is in Man.
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Midwest
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| (Didn't they used to hang horse-thieves? Maybe something just a little less severe would actually be a deterrent). |
Yes they did. And horses were still stolen, just by different people.
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jazzbro
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| (Didn't they used to hang horse-thieves? Maybe something just a little less severe would actually be a deterrent). |
Yes they did. And horses were still stolen, just by different people. |
Mmmmm... okay.
So is the conclusion that punishment is never a deterrant? Cuz I don't buy that. I strongly suspect fewer horses were stolen than would otherwise have been stolen based on the deterrent element, not JUST on the fact that dead people can't steal horses.
And I don't buy that our current system is working (specifically on car theft here) well enough.
And I don't buy that a system strictly based on 'rehabilitation' constitutes justice either.
I think that properly measured consequences can act as a deterrant, and that the current consequences are inadequate. Other solutions haven't worked here, acknowledging that not all others have been thought of or tried.
i.e. - a balance can be found and what we have not is not balanced. |
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