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Bible Interpretation

Postby yahoshea on Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:20 pm

Biblical interpretation does not seem so very complicated to me.
I you had a historical document in which there was controversy as to the meaning of certain passages a reasonable person would come to certain honest ways of discerning the meaning. Notice that I said a “reasonable” person. Unfortunately there are those that will refuse to be reasonable in any way.

When I come across a passage of scripture that needs study, I do the following ---
1. Study the section in its original language. I am not a Greek or Hebrew master, but I can use a few research books like Bible dictionaries, concordances and the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia.
2. Derive understanding from within its context.
(this would include its immediate context and other places in the document where the subject is discussed.)
3. Understand the culture and geography in which it was written. Hebrew culture in which the Bible was written is much different then ours and that difference should be taken into consideration.
4. Consider who wrote it and to whom it was being written.
5. When finding seeming contradictions in the document do the following
A. Rely on the preponderance of the evidence . If you have two scriptures that seem to say one thing and 10 that say something different rely on the ten until the two can be properly understood.
B. Give more weight to clearer passages. Don’t base understandings on ambiguous scriptures alone when clear scriptures say something else.


Thee are the very basic ways in which to interpret both Biblical and other documents. Unfortunately there are those that insist on adding ones that have no reason to be included and taint the results.
For example –
Never start the search with a preconceived idea of the results and pay attention to only those “facts” that seem to validate the preconceived results.
Never assume that the historical traditions are always correct and need not be questioned.

When dealing with God’s word it is always important to know that His word has a purpose. That purpose is to make us more like Christ. When a researcher draws conclusions from his study it must always serve this purpose. If an interpretation works against God’s plan then it has to be wrong no matter how much “so – called” evidence is produced.
In addition if an interpretation calls into question the character of God or contradicts His nature/attributes, as CLEARLY stated in scripture, it must also be rejected.

There are of course many more detailed rules of interpretation, but these few are so widely ignored that it would change Christianity if even they were followed.

Do you all follow these rules when you study? :D
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Re: Bible Interpretation

Postby david on Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:00 pm

Very fine and excellent. Would that we all followed these guidelines. :-D

A number of years ago there was a controversy in our church. I ended up doing a very thorough and exhaustive Bible study on the topic which radically changed my preconceived notions. I wrote up my findings as brief notes with scripture references. I was disaappointed when the other individual refused to examine scripture and challenged me by asking me if I thought that 2,000 years of Church tradition was invalid. I told him it was if (and only if) it contradicted the clear teaching of the Bible which, in this case, it did.
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Re: Bible Interpretation

Postby IamRedeemed on Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:13 am

(!clap: the only thing I could add is.....and don't be afraid to ask the Holy Spirit for help on those verses you don't understand! James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

yahoshea wrote:Biblical interpretation does not seem so very complicated to me.
I you had a historical document in which there was controversy as to the meaning of certain passages a reasonable person would come to certain honest ways of discerning the meaning. Notice that I said a “reasonable” person. Unfortunately there are those that will refuse to be reasonable in any way.

When I come across a passage of scripture that needs study, I do the following ---
1. Study the section in its original language. I am not a Greek or Hebrew master, but I can use a few research books like Bible dictionaries, concordances and the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia.
2. Derive understanding from within its context.
(this would include its immediate context and other places in the document where the subject is discussed.)
3. Understand the culture and geography in which it was written. Hebrew culture in which the Bible was written is much different then ours and that difference should be taken into consideration.
4. Consider who wrote it and to whom it was being written.
5. When finding seeming contradictions in the document do the following
A. Rely on the preponderance of the evidence . If you have two scriptures that seem to say one thing and 10 that say something different rely on the ten until the two can be properly understood.
B. Give more weight to clearer passages. Don’t base understandings on ambiguous scriptures alone when clear scriptures say something else.


Thee are the very basic ways in which to interpret both Biblical and other documents. Unfortunately there are those that insist on adding ones that have no reason to be included and taint the results.
For example –
Never start the search with a preconceived idea of the results and pay attention to only those “facts” that seem to validate the preconceived results.
Never assume that the historical traditions are always correct and need not be questioned.

When dealing with God’s word it is always important to know that His word has a purpose. That purpose is to make us more like Christ. When a researcher draws conclusions from his study it must always serve this purpose. If an interpretation works against God’s plan then it has to be wrong no matter how much “so – called” evidence is produced.
In addition if an interpretation calls into question the character of God or contradicts His nature/attributes, as CLEARLY stated in scripture, it must also be rejected.

There are of course many more detailed rules of interpretation, but these few are so widely ignored that it would change Christianity if even they were followed.

Do you all follow these rules when you study? :D
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Re: Bible Interpretation

Postby evangelist on Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:51 am

How would a person find out the real context when using the same word in the scripture like water to me water of the word of God or a baptism, or living water.
How can one discern or teach another what is really being sid like in John 3:5?
I had this problem with many Catholic and other about what is water and that it is not a water baptismo.

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Baptism

Postby yahoshea on Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:16 am

Since I have a little time, I thought I might answer your post. It also offers an opportunity to show the purpose of proper interpretation principles.

You ask?
How would a person find out the real context when using the same word in the scripture like water to me water of the word of God or a baptism, or living water.
How can one discern or teach another what is really being sid like in John 3:5?
I had this problem with many Catholic and other about what is water and that it is not a water baptismo.

Let me point out several things about your post.
One of the primary Principles of interpretation when defining a word is to use the most common meaning first unless there is clear reason to use another. In the case of the Greek word Baptizo the meaning is clear.
to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
to overwhelm
Not to be confused with 911, bapto. The clearest example that shows the meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physician Nicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making pickles and is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that in order to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be 'dipped' (bapto) into boiling water and then 'baptised' (baptizo) in the vinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in a solution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act of baptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change. When used in the New Testament, this word more often refers to our union and identification with Christ than to our water baptism. e.g. Mark 16:16. 'He that believes and is baptised shall be saved'. Christ is saying that mere intellectual assent is not enough. There must be a union with him, a real change, like the vegetable to the pickle! Bible Study Magazine, James Montgomery Boice, May 1989.
In the case of your suggested scripture in John 3, let me explain farther ---
4Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"
5Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

This scripture actually has nothing to do with water baptism. The “born of water” is referring to the natural birth of all humans. The water is speaking of the fluids associated with birth. We still speak today of a woman’s water breaking. Nicodemus made the context clear when he spoke of reentering the womb. Jesus explained that a person must be born of the natural realm and of the Spirit of God to enter into the kingdom.

As to other verses on must remember that Baptism does not insist on water. One can be baptized in the Spirit which means to be emmersed in the Spirit or in some cases overwhelmed by the Spirit.
In the case of water baptism there are several clues that speak in specific verses to determine when it is spoken of ---

Mat 3
5Then Jerusalem was going out to him, and all Judea and all the district around the Jordan;
6and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, as they confessed their sins.

16After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,

Several points in these scriptures.
John was at the Jordon. This indicates a use of a large enough body of water for an emersion. If John was sprinkling all he needed was a cup of water not a river. Jesus came up from the water. This could indicate a rising out of the water from being submerged.

Mark 1
5And all the country of Judea was going out to him, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins.

9In those days Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan.
10Immediately coming up out of the water, He saw the heavens opening, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon Him;

Here again it indicates a rising out of the water. However the next verse makes it clear that they were in the water to be baptized.
Acts 8
36As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?"
37[And Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."]
38And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him.

Here is clear evidence of the need to be in the water and not by it or being sprinkled with it.

In all scripture where the method of baptism, the mechanics, or the necessary physical requirements is mentioned there is a large body of water. Large enough for at least two to enter into it and a coming up out of the water. These are fairly strong indicators of the method of baptism used by John and the apostles and it is a clear indicator of water baptism in these verses.

One finale thought.
A very wonderful scripture when seen from a Hebrew perspective takes on a new life and meaning. Remember that the writers of scripture were Hebrew and thought and wrote from a Hebrew Perspective.
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

First let’s define some of the key words from a Hebrew perspective.

Disciple = Follower
Name = Character trait
Father = He who gives strength to the family.
Son = offspring who is like the father
Holy = Set asside for a special purpose
Spirit = breath/ source of life
Baptize = emmerse (Gr)

With these understandings in place look at the verse again.

Go therefore and make followers of all the nations, immersing them in the character traits of the one who gives strength to the family and of his offspring who is like Him and of the special breath which is set asside for the purpose of being the source of life.

This scripture is neither a water baptism scripture or a Godhead proof. It is about having the character traits of the Father, His son, and the breath of Life in the Holy Spirit.
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Re: Bible Interpretation

Postby evangelist on Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:55 pm

Why do we al have the same bibles but we interpretate the bible differently?
Even same scripture are revealed differently.
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Re: Bible Interpretation

Postby texastig on Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:40 pm

Evangelist, can you post that over at http://dailycrossesforums.com ?
We have moved from here over to our own website that has more flexibility.
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