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[Marshal]

Hey whats everybodys thought on the war in iraq? do you think its a good thing? bad thing? used to be good or bad now your view has changed? and what do you think about the media's perspective of covering the war?

[Marshal]

I think that the war in iraq is a good thing. they dont show it in the news but America has free'd people from tourcher chambers, taken a ruthles DICKtator out of power, built school's and hospitals, and many more stuff! America is helping the people of iraq get back on there feet for a chance to live a life not controlled by evil terrorists. and within 7 years of war only having just around 4000 u.s cashualtys thats about 1.5 u.s deaths per day. i know that that sounds bad but compair that to other wars that have taken fewer years. like Vietnam, WW1 and WW2, Korean War. i would say we are doing pretty damb good.

[minamala]

I mean... It's not good to have war. But we have to, some people think we don't need to, that we can just not do anything. But if we don't fight... lets just say it won't be pretty.

[Gondman]

Okay here is how it is. Yes Bush freed the Iraqis. Yes we have made their lives freer. The one thing I dont like is that like the dictator we disposed we created preemptive war. We the American people have allowed a congress to give power to a president that is not his to have. I blame all who voted for this police action. Bush helped create an illegal war but it has done good. I do not like the pretenses that the war was made on but I support the troops and John McCain in keeping them where they are needed

[Marshal]

so here is another question? if you where drafted into a war that you thought was usless or a war that was needed would you serve or if you knew that you could be excused from the war, exempt yourself? and why? me being a military person would serve accorse lol because that s just the way i am

[jacfalcon]

Okay here is how it is. Yes Bush freed the Iraqis. Yes we have made their lives freer. The one thing I dont like is that like the dictator we disposed we created preemptive war. We the American people have allowed a congress to give power to a president that is not his to have. I blame all who voted for this police action. Bush helped create an illegal war but it has done good. I do not like the pretenses that the war was made on but I support the troops and John McCain in keeping them where they are needed

Presidents are different from Dictators. America is far from a dictatorship, and Presidents are a minimal limited authority in a democratic nation. And besides, where do peopel think these decisions get made? The President? NO! Congress.

Wow, now THAT is a funny term.

illegal war

When do you consider war legalized? Both countries have to agree to the war, then they must match eachothers' numbers of troops with equal educations, arms, vehicles, generals, and an agreed fighting location. Sounds like Halo to me, lol.

[Gondman]

shea you dont understand my point. The point is that under the constitution there is a way in how to conduct war. Congress bybased this and created an illegal war. Now I know that Bush did not make the war but he did give faulty information that caused a war in wich we have no right to be in.

[Becker]

He does have a point , i think if bush would have just said "Hey lets get rid of Sadam cuz he's a threat to our way of life.."
or something then it would have been so much more...relevent, i think the WOMD (wepons of mass destruction) [i love that word] was just a kind of excuse if you will to start a war. Although i have heard that he wanted to fight iraq to impress his father or something like that... what have you heard about that?

[jacfalcon]

Um, okay, just because I'm curious, can you show where the constitution talks about creating a war, I just never heard about that. Also, the media doesn't know what Bush does. There are probably WOMDs (thats is a coolio word, lol), just because we havn't had it shown to us, isn't enough to say they probably don't exist. But because the President who has tons of info from all branches of the government says it, that is more of a reason. The media says stuff like to impress his father or something, but thats merely spectulation. Seriously, how would they even know that if it was true??? And also, just to cover it, don't bring up the Oil stuff. That's an illogical bit. Sure, he was a buisnessman, but that is a totally illogical reason. If he was, then he would have secured Oil facilities, which he has not done at all!

And the Saddam thing. Did Saddam suicide in the trade centers? No.
1. Other people besides Saddam support him!
Did they do it because of Saddam? No, they did it for ISlam, Saddam just lead.
2. They can and will do it again, even with Saddam gone!
These are terrorists. REGARDLESS of the McFlippin' sweet WOMDs, we should totally be kicking the GROUPS of "bad guys" butts outta there.

This is getting nice and interesting

[Becker]

That makes more sense. I suppose it'd have to be something like the germans first nuclear reactor, it took our people FOREVER to find because it was so well hidden, and the V2 rockets where under a mountin! Theres tons of desert up there so ya, but i do think that our main consern should be to kick the terrorists out of there. Another testimate to why i don't like organized religion, islam, diferent religions should not feel the need to fight eachother. Just leave them be and if they are wrong they go to hell, or just rot in the ground. (meaning them hating us)

[G_Money90]

I seriously think that this war has gotten to the point that it is pointless because all we are doing is just trying to build their homes and i have nothing against that at all but we should bring our troops home so they can be with there families.

[jacfalcon]

In response to what Becker said:
The thing is, this isn't liek a wound, where you scratch it for it to get worse. As shown by 9/11, they will make war REGARDLESS. This isn't a matter of negotiation as people think. Their terms are US DIEING. thus we have to fight back

In Response to John:
Um, the reason nothing is getting done is BECAUSE people keep saying "Bring our troops home" and "Stop the war." However! The goal of the war was to defeat the terrorists. As you can see by the bombings all over the news and such, they havn't been stopped. It was the point of the WAR, and if the point has not been completed, there is STILL a point.
Also, the soliders, alhtough they want to be home, know what they are doing and WANT TO DO IT!


In other words, we have to do what we set out to do. Nothing has changed; people still want it stopped, the terrorists (not just Saddam) are still out there, and we still have soliders who WANT to fight. We can't just go "They are tired and we failed, lets give up."
1. That isn't true!!!
2. They wont give up just because we did!!!!!
3. Numbers liek this make thigns simpler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Becker]

Well thats not what i'm tryn to say. I know that its kill or be killed. They want us dead. Tiss simple enough to understand, but i still think that its really a war of religion, and that's why it won't ever be over, untill one of us is gone.

[jacfalcon]

Well thats not what i'm tryn to say. I know that its kill or be killed. They want us dead. Tiss simple enough to understand, but i still think that its really a war of religion, and that's why it won't ever be over, untill one of us is gone.

Oh, okay, then I totally agree with you, lol.

[Becker]

I'm glad...=] ~ i feel all political heehee

[sixstitches]

Did'nt they find the factories for WMDs? And didn't they already have proof of previous activity? And don't WMDs include chemical or biological?
The first mistake I saw with the war (I forget if it's Afghanistan or Iraq) was when Bush decided to wait 24 or 48 hours for UN sanction. If we wanted to find WMDs in the first place, this was a HUGE tactical mistake. It would give Hussein time to prepare and/or move these factories around (Saudi Arabia?). Weren't some of them on trucks? And since when do we answer to the UN? The UN is mostly made up of governments who hate a democracy (or more accurately, a constitutional republic).
Also recall, that in this war on terror, the terrorists don't care about borders that much. This was going to be a very long war because of that. Add the complication of suicidal maniacs, and, well, you have yourself a mess.

ON THE OTHER HAND

Sheria (spelling?) law promotes things that we went in there to remove. I think it includes stuff like that dress code for women (not that we couldn't use one--NOT like that).

on a side note, pray about the apostacy problem (the outlawing of a muslim switching to christianity, and the death penalty they are pushing for this.)

I suppose it all boils down to what we are willing to do for the protection of US citizens. (dead soldiers getting you down? Wait....isn't that in their job description?)
The media is a powerful influence. Ask yourself; Who is Your influence? I was once asked by a non-believer why, if God said do not kill, did He kill the firstborn in Egypt? Or support Joshua, Saul, David in war?
Perhaps, despite the feeling that we are a secular nation, this really is a holy war! But make no mistake, God hates war. War is ugly. Perhaps that's why there were all those 'rules of war/engagement', like how to treat prisoners and such, back in the day. Which leaves water-boarding etc. Before we could threaten them with life in prison or something. But since they are suicidal, NOW what do we do? This too needs prayer.

Another mistake was the giving over of the Gaza strip. Can you imagine if Gore were president? Within a month, we would have been handing the terrorists large-scale weaponry. After all, the liberal thought is that we are a product of our environment, and so these poor muslims simply need a better quality of life. I disagree, but not about the quality of life. These things take wisdom. It's sort of like the question of whether or not to give cash to a bum.

[jacfalcon]

Did'nt they find the factories for WMDs? And didn't they already have proof of previous activity? And don't WMDs include chemical or biological?
The first mistake I saw with the war (I forget if it's Afghanistan or Iraq) was when Bush decided to wait 24 or 48 hours for UN sanction. If we wanted to find WMDs in the first place, this was a HUGE tactical mistake. It would give Hussein time to prepare and/or move these factories around (Saudi Arabia?). Weren't some of them on trucks? And since when do we answer to the UN? The UN is mostly made up of governments who hate a democracy (or more accurately, a constitutional republic).

Most peopel blame Bush for startign the war, but now he's blamed for not starting it fast enough. He had no choice, with so many people who push him to NOT have the war they could have held that against him forever!

Also recall, that in this war on terror, the terrorists don't care about borders that much. This was going to be a very long war because of that. Add the complication of suicidal maniacs, and, well, you have yourself a mess.

Yep.

THE OTHER HAND

Sheria (spelling?) law promotes things that we went in there to remove. I think it includes stuff like that dress code for women (not that we couldn't use one--NOT like that).

on a side note, pray about the apostacy problem (the outlawing of a muslim switching to christianity, and the death penalty they are pushing for this.)

I suppose it all boils down to what we are willing to do for the protection of US citizens. (dead soldiers getting you down? Wait....isn't that in their job description?)

Yeah, they know they are risking their lives. It's not liek you sign up to be a soldier and suddenly you are in Iraq and under fire!

The media is a powerful influence. Ask yourself; Who is Your influence? I was once asked by a non-believer why, if God said do not kill, did He kill the firstborn in Egypt? Or support Joshua, Saul, David in war?

1. The Bible says not to murder, it doesn't say that killing is wrong.
2. The Ten Commandments, where this idea is derived from, is merely the law of the Jews. That was the old testament. When Jesus died we were freed form the law. There is still sin and we still shouldn't murder, but the ten comandments are nto absolute.

Perhaps, despite the feeling that we are a secular nation, this really is a holy war! But make no mistake, God hates war. War is ugly. Perhaps that's why there were all those 'rules of war/engagement', like how to treat prisoners and such, back in the day. Which leaves water-boarding etc. Before we could threaten them with life in prison or something. But since they are suicidal, NOW what do we do? This too needs prayer.

It's a Holy War. And God dislieks war, but we need to do what is right, which ISN'T sitting by and doing nothing, or trying to make a "treaty" with those of whom we know will not keep it.

Another mistake was the giving over of the Gaza strip. Can you imagine if Gore were president? Within a month, we would have been handing the terrorists large-scale weaponry. After all, the liberal thought is that we are a product of our environment, and so these poor muslims simply need a better quality of life. I disagree, but not about the quality of life. These things take wisdom. It's sort of like the question of whether or not to give cash to a bum.

It's not the quality of life, n00bs to life (AKA Liberals). When someone wants to kill you, there's not always somethign you can do besides kill them in self defense.

Good stuff dude.