I just got this off CBR forums, its not confirmed, and I still need 5 days to confirm it, but if this is true, then we got some serious shit going down, and I really need to know how Carey is going to handle this, seriously, because it came out of left field, even for me. Scroll striaght to the bottom of the summary for this bombshell. But I am 99% sure this is real, as people on Carey's board are talking about 'the villain' and people are seriously speculating on it.
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The issue starts off with Exodus remembering important events in his life, ending with the fall of Avalon. The scene then shifts to a one page splash of the SHIELD Helicarrier. Rogue takes Mystique and Cable aboard the Helicarrier to ask Maria Hill if they could borrow some of the VR equipment to try to fix Northstar and Aurora's condition, using a method that Cable and Emma came up with. They plan to make the Beaubiers experience their lives from birth, hoping it will restore them to their original mental states. Hill says that she better not notice anything that they’re doing, or they’ll call in their psi-units to come in and scramble their brains. Mystique calls Rogue Anna again, and she gets angry at her, saying that her name is Rogue, and that’s all it’ll ever be. Then Mystique starts babbling about how she knows that she’s hurt Rogue very bad, and explains tries to control the lives of the people she loves, because manipulation is in her nature, and that the only reason she came to the mansion was to try to steer her life it in hopes that she could be happy. Rogue doesn't believe her, then Mystique says that if she doesn't want her in her life, she'll walk out, and Rogue says that she'll tie tin cans to the back of the cab when she does. (See the previews up at either Popculture Shock or Comics Continuum for more details.)
Next we cut to a different section on the Helicarrier. Some men on surveillance are concerned by the fact that a small vessel seems to be on a kamikaze type crash course with them. Orders are given to shoot it down, which they do. A piece from it is seemingly lodged in the wall of their aircraft, and they examine it, when suddenly what appears to be liquid metal starts to leak from it, that later turns out to be Random. He takes them out by forming multiple arms and knocking them out, then telling someone outside that the beachhead is now clear. Whoever it is tells them to stand clear, and Exodus comes in with both Tempo and Cargill. Random wants to be clear that Exodus told him that there will be no deaths. The person they are looking for is aboard the ship, but first they must do something to take care of its defenders.
Rogue and Cable have just prepared Jean Paul and Jeanne Marie to undergo the reprogramming process. Rogue says something sentimental to JP in French (don’t ask me what, I don’t understand French, and I don’t remember what was said), before starting up the process. We are then treated to a couple of pages of Jean Paul and Jeanne Marie reliving some of their most life affirming moments, right after a moment with Jean Paul telling a woman that if she loves people, she shouldn’t use them as accessories (probably Persuasion, since you guys brought her up), and Jeanne Marie is talking to some kind of robot, when something goes wrong, someone has sabotaged the simulation feed. Someone with high power telekinesis and telepathy. The Beaubiers break out and are confused, and speak in turn, as if they have a singular mind. They escape, and Rogue and her companions go after them, since they could do a lot of damage in very little time. but then are split up and ambushed by Exodus' gang. Random takes on Cable, he brings up that there are only 198 mutants left, and wants to know what they are doing. Cable says that he’s working on cutting it down to 197. He only manages to threaten about being able to use his force field to kill him before he’s taken out. Random says that what’s in his head is important to their employer. Rogue is stopped in mid-flight by Tempo’s ability to manipulate how someone views the passage of time. This gives Cargill/Frenzy the opportunity to get in a good hit. One of them makes a crack about how Rogue’s powers are always dangerous to those around her. They can’t believe that she keeps trying to fight back, or get up, and it’s painfully clear that she can't do much to people who can either manipulate time, or are practically invulnerable. She's knocked out cold. (With Rogue constantly getting beat up like this, the payback better be enormous. :mwahaha: ) Someone shoots a firearm (a claymore?), while Tempo comments that the X-men are reduced to using personals now? But she stops the bullets. While she’s gloating, Mystique can be seen, out of their sight. She takes advantage of this to launch an attack at Tempo, whose concentration breaks, allowing the bullets to take her out. Raven is furious about what they did to Rogue and is adamant that they will not hurt her further. She does the growing spikes out of her skin thing.
Meanwhile Exodus makes his way to the main control room. Maria Hill orders the psi-unit to take him out, (suicidal suggestion and all that fun stuff) but to their amazement, he isn’t even phased. Hill is horrified, saying that no person should be able to stand it. Exodus then gives his little diatribe about how he is no longer just a man but an idea (see Mike Carey’s interview for more details on this little speech). She asks him what he wants with them.
Somewhere along the line, the Beaubiers are still confused and tearing through the Helicarrier. They notice that it seems that their minds have been melded together, have some brother-sister type talk, and then take a leap of faith, they touch their hands together, activating their light attack.
Mystique is still trying to fend off Cargill, even though she can’t do much against her, but she’s not going to give up. Frenzy is about to do her in too, when just in time, the Beaubiers show up, and they’re all better now. It seems that the contact enabled them to shake off the initial confusion. :excited: Jean Paul tells her that they’ve got control of their power now, but to turn away because of the intensity. They use their combined attack to knock Cargill away, but it barely phases her. When she starts to gloat that they can’t do anything to her, Mystique attacks her, and knocks her out of the Helicarrier, saying that she’ll leave that up to gravity.
Rogue comes to, and thanks Northstar for the rescue but he tells her that it's Mystique she should be thanking, which confuses her a bit, and that he knows that she still has misgivings about her, but that she should try to give her another chance. Rogue considers talking things over later. (The interaction between Rogue and JP in this issue really makes me want him to be on the team.)
They make their way to the cockpit of the Helicarrier and confront Exodus. Apparently he wanted to use the carrier as an ark of sorts for the remainder of mutant kind, and wanted to use the technological resources to create a Cerebra of sorts to locate the mutants, or people with genetic potential, and is shocked to find none. Rogue explains the Decimation event, and that they'd already figured this out using the resources they had at the mansion. Exodus becomes enraged, saying that now they’ll die out within the generation, and that he’d destroy/sacrifice hundreds/thousands of humans if it meant the survival of even a single mutant. Maria Hill makes it clear that they've worn out their welcome, and don't want any association with Rogue's particular group (or mutants in general maybe), so Rogue takes her team and disembarks.
Later, in a remote, snowy area, (I don’t remember where) Exodus takes his little gang with him to meet someone inside some kind of dome type structure. He tells them about the situation with the mutants, and he reassures him that there will be a way to ensure the survival/resurgence of mutants. His employer is none other than…
Apocalypse.
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Alright, I have kept my standard profanity down, I have bit my tongue, but this truly earns it: HOLY FUCKING SHIT!
Apocalypse? This soon....well...I can see how important Gambit will be in this arc....but....I mean.....shit....I dont even know what to say, its like Sinister was just misdirection, another Apocalypse arc? So soon....Its...surprising...beyond surprising. I'm frankly surprised because Apocalypse is so hard to handle...and Milligan just screwed up so much with him....I....wow....Thoughts? _________________ I always thought that Rogue and Gambit should adopt that Leech kid from X3.
"Alright son, you can sleep on dis here futon next to our bed! put on deese earmuffs, an' dis blindfold, and if you hear screamin' ignore it!"
Oh god, it is too soon for another Apocalypse arc.
This is probably going to be fucked up beyond all recognition (much like Milligan).
Or they might just manage to pull their heads out of their asses and not fuck it six ways from Sunday. If they can bring Apocalypse off as an honest to god villian, who isn't some schitzo weakling, and have his horsemen as something to be feared rather than to be easily taken down and sneered at, then I'll actually like it.
Makes you wonder how Sinister is tied into it all, doesn't it. _________________ And I sit, endlessly watching the people as they walk below me, knowing that I will never walk among them, knowing I will never live as they have lived and loving them for it.
This is really the first time I think so many writers are working on a 616 Apocalypse arc. It may very well work. But Apocalypse is so difficult to portray accurately, hes a complex yet simplistic villain, and as much faith as I have in Mike Carey, and after having visiting his blog for so many months I have nothing but faith for him, this has shaken it...we're dealing with something that has a lot of bad memories from BOA, and I just dont know how i'm gonna take this new one.
However, I do believe I have the arc figured out, and if i'm right, it is indeed a worthy and frightening idea.
Mike Carey has said time and time again that the arc will deal with the exact repercussions of Scarlet Witch's words "No more Mutants", and with this summary I believe I have an idea what it means.
When someone says 'no more', it implies that you will not be recieving any in addition. However, with Scarlet Witch we all simply assumed she said she intended to wipe out the mutants, eliminate them. But with Exodus' paniced idea that the mutants will die out within the generation gives me an idea: What if she also meant that there would actually be no more mutants.
What i'm saying is, what if the X-gene has been removed from reproductive chromosomes, that....Dare I say it....there will be no more mutants born after the 198. If my hypothesis is right, Homo Superior has gone from simply an endangered species to a race that is indeed facing extinction within the next generation. _________________ I always thought that Rogue and Gambit should adopt that Leech kid from X3.
"Alright son, you can sleep on dis here futon next to our bed! put on deese earmuffs, an' dis blindfold, and if you hear screamin' ignore it!"
Wowsers!...........Wow!........Ohh....I'm lost for words!
Well...ok...almost lost for words!
I think, regarding Apocalypse, the timing IS good as Marvel can rescue it from Milligans run and bring it round into some sort of meaningful arc. And it was left at a rather intriquing point when that being said Apoc had a purpose beyond anything he's done before. I wonder if he IS indeed going to be the saviour of mutantkind somehow? Maybe his methods are villianous but Gambit's joining him was right after all? Perhaps he wanted to help Apoc 'save' mutants (including the X-Men) from extinction whilst being influential enough to prevent Apoc destroying humans? (One can only hope this was his intention even if it did go wrong)....
'No more mutants' is a very interesting concept as Marvel can concentrate on the remaining mutants developing and coping with the knowledge of their extinction. Makes them even more aware of their mortality despite their powers!
Wanda could also have made 'no more mutants' mean they can't have children at all (not even homo sapien) which of course is a double blow!
hmmm.....? Intriquing! _________________ *
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"Playin' for keeps is still playin', Mon Ami, so take a card...ANY CARD!"
It does indeed have a healthly amount of interesting going for it, and I am waiting with baited breath for it to start.
If indeed Wanda's "no more mutants" means that there will be no more mutants born, then perhaps both Sinister and Apocalypse are going to be the saviours of mutantkind.
Interesting that a villain may end up being the one thing they can turn to to ensure their survival. _________________ And I sit, endlessly watching the people as they walk below me, knowing that I will never walk among them, knowing I will never live as they have lived and loving them for it.
Yes! The only difference is that they [said villians] will want to take a healthy dose of homo sapien life down with them!
Wouldn't be the first time thy enemy of thy enemy is thy friend though, eh? _________________ *
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"Playin' for keeps is still playin', Mon Ami, so take a card...ANY CARD!"
Well, Mike Carey recently said in the interview that the motives of the villains are not evil, but just extremely dangerous and something the X-men will have to seriously think about before they act on.
Sinister and Apoc saving mutant kind...that is something... _________________ I always thought that Rogue and Gambit should adopt that Leech kid from X3.
"Alright son, you can sleep on dis here futon next to our bed! put on deese earmuffs, an' dis blindfold, and if you hear screamin' ignore it!"
Lol...well like Magneto they all DO care for mutants as a whole (and as a superior species) but just don't care about individuals in their quest for knowledge (in Sinisters case) and superiority.
Going back to Wanda and HoM....isn't it funny how she gave them what they wanted first but it wasn't enough? (Anyone say 'Matrix!') You'd think 'no more mutants' could actually be a good thing (if you were talking reality instead of Marvel needing good stories) however if mutation is an evolutionary step of nature then their absence could spell the end of normal humans too couldn't it? _________________ *
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They care about survival of the fitest and genetic supremicy. Sinister was actually created by Apocalypse, as far as I know, so is it any surprise that their goals and outlooks are similar.
It is indeed ironic that she gave them everything they wanted and it wasn't enough. The worst thing is, that it wasn't enough for one man (Wolverine) and he set in motion everything that led to the whole "No More Mutants" proclimation.
And no more mutantion could indeed lead to the end of "normal" humans as well.
I can't wait until the end of this week, when the Annual comes out. _________________ And I sit, endlessly watching the people as they walk below me, knowing that I will never walk among them, knowing I will never live as they have lived and loving them for it.
Well, its difficult to determine exactly what mutants are, we certainly believe they are the next step but that could be a step back from the truth, its hard to say.
As for Sinister, he was originally an early British geneticist fascinated with mutations and the such, however Apocalypse took a keen interest in him and found him as an ally, then he gave him the nescessary modifications to give him the strength, telepathy, immortality, etc. For him to live as a worthy ally of him.
Of course, Sinister is a bit more treacherous than Apocalypse anticipated. _________________ I always thought that Rogue and Gambit should adopt that Leech kid from X3.
"Alright son, you can sleep on dis here futon next to our bed! put on deese earmuffs, an' dis blindfold, and if you hear screamin' ignore it!"
Told ya, Apocalypse made Sinister the man (and I say that hesitantly) he is today. It really is a very intreguing story between those two. And yup, Sinny was somewhat trecherous _________________ And I sit, endlessly watching the people as they walk below me, knowing that I will never walk among them, knowing I will never live as they have lived and loving them for it.
Hmmmm.......now ya got me wondering if mutations are evolutionary at all! Perhaps the mutant gene was introduced into human beings as a sinister style experiment and had nothing to do with nature (as Xavier believes) at all!
*pondering* _________________ *
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