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RomyLuv
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: Would It Bother You? |
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Ok so I got this idea from another discussion topic I posted about what would you do if Gambit was not in X4...That thread drifted to would you want an EVO based Gambit in X4?
So now I am wondering if it would bother you if Gambit was portrayed similarly in one way to his EVO incarnation...as a Bad Guy?
Either part of the brotherhood or as an acolyte...or an apprentice of Sinister...completely evil though...no affiliations with the x-men other than as their enemy?
Would this bother you and why? |
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Crimson Queen
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Yes it would bother me!
Why? Cos a villian is more likely to lose any fights against the 'good guys' and even be killed. Plus Gambit isn't top villian material like Sinister so is essentialy just a lackey....and lackeys don't get their own movies!!!
Of course bad guys can have their place as temptation to lead the good gal away....but I'd prefer if he started bad but ended up good in the end.
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RomyLuv
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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LOL...A little heated there Crims huh?
It would bother the hell out of me too! I can't picture Gambit as being truly evil and would like to see him as a good guy/loner who joins the X-Men in X4...
I'd love to Sinister as a bad guy but they don't necesarily have to include any of Gambit's past dealings with him as Gambit didn't tell the x-men the full extent of his connections to Sinister for quite sometime... |
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Part of me would love to see him as a truely bad guy (although I believe that a realistic bad guy is never truely evil but has his own motivations and perceptions of the way things are), since one of my fave things is to take characters I know and look at them in different ways.
Besides, he could end up like Magneto, who was right in X3, and stick around through a few films and be more grey than black in the end.
On the other hand, we'd possibly get more screen time if he were a good guy or loner who joins the team.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:11 am Post subject: |
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loner is good. i would enjoy a bad guy as well.
However, i would enjoy mercenary the best. Think about it. He gets hired to do a job for teh X-Men or in the case of the wolvie movie, with wolvie. something goes wrong, and they're forced to work together. theres tension in the group, but everyone slowly accepts him, and we're hit with the ending, where after its all said and done, he has the choice to stay with the team or go. His choice? well the credits roll just as they center on his face, before you see it. SEQUEL!
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RomyLuv
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| Stefbug wrote: |
| Part of me would love to see him as a truely bad guy (although I believe that a realistic bad guy is never truely evil but has his own motivations and perceptions of the way things are), since one of my fave things is to take characters I know and look at them in different ways. |
When a bad guy is well-written and their actions are explained from their perspective - which to them is not evil - it does make for good reading... 
However no matter how deranged the baddie is, no matter how much they believe that they are doing the right thing, no matter their corrupt reasoning or motivation...Their means of going about getting whatever they believe is the right thing is always clearly wrong...I find it difficult to favor the baddies...
And although some of them are supreme entertainment, they're villainous ways make it impossible for me to be on their side so to speak... 
So for those reasons I would much prefer Gambit to be portrayed as a good guy...Though if the writers were so inclined...they could write him in a way that keeps you guessing as to whether he truly is good or not throughout the movie...After all he is someone that the x-men have had a lot of difficulty trusting and that could make for an interesting dynamic on screen...
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| However i would enjoy mercenary the best. Think about it. He gets hire to do a job for teh x-men or in the case of the wolvie movie, with wolvie. something goes wrong, and they're forced to work together. theres tension in the group, but everyone slowly accepts him, and we're hit with the ending, where after its all said and done, he has the choice to stay with the team or go. His choice? well the credits roll by just as they center on his face, before you see it. SEQUEL! |
Damn cliffhanger ending! That would be a real easy way for them to cut him out of the sequel though no?  |
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Crimson Queen
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| RomyLuv wrote: |
| LOL...A little heated there Crims huh? |
Sorry...did it come out a little direct? I was actually angry cos I wrote my reply then D (my babs) decided to jump up and press a key and managed to delete what I wrote! I hate rewriting stuff!!!  
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| I believe that a realistic bad guy is never truely evil but has his own motivations and perceptions of the way things are), |
Thats actually very much how I see Gambits past transgressions. He had his reasons at the time and never really went into anything truely evil with full knowledge (ir Mauraders event)
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| However, i would enjoy mercenary the best. Think about it. He gets hired to do a job for teh X-Men or in the case of the wolvie movie, with wolvie. something goes wrong, and they're forced to work together. theres tension in the group, but everyone slowly accepts him, and we're hit with the ending, where after its all said and done, he has the choice to stay with the team or go. His choice? well the credits roll just as they center on his face, before you see it. SEQUEL! |
Yep......good guy/bad guy thing is what works best for Gambit! I like the idea of him thinking himself bad but once working with the X-Men realising that being a good guy is good (and of course falling in love with Rogue).
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However no matter how deranged the baddie is, no matter how much they believe that they are doing the right thing, no matter their corrupt reasoning or motivation...Their means of going about getting whatever they believe is the right thing is always clearly wrong...I find it difficult to favor the baddies...
And although some of them are supreme entertainment, they're villainous ways make it impossible for me to be on their side so to speak... |
It depends so much on so many things! Take Sawyer from Lost...a character set up to be a baddie (but not evil)....he became a fave of fans very quickly but he was also heroic because of his attraction to Kate.....and the rest of the group eventually.
But a villian that comes in killing innocents and torturing puppies (sp?) isn't gonna be able to turn around and shrug it off! Unless blame can be entirely redirected (say cos of memory loss of mind control) and they are totally repentant.
(good points btw RL)
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Sorry...did it come out a little direct? I was actually angry cos I wrote my reply then D (my babs) decided to jump up and press a key and managed to delete what I wrote! I hate rewriting stuff!!! |
I hate rewriting too! It came off as a strong opinion - which was cool to read so don't worry about it! 
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It depends so much on so many things! Take Sawyer from Lost...a character set up to be a baddie (but not evil)....he became a fave of fans very quickly but he was also heroic because of his attraction to Kate.....and the rest of the group eventually.
But a villian that comes in killing innocents and torturing puppies (sp?) isn't gonna be able to turn around and shrug it off! Unless blame can be entirely redirected (say cos of memory loss of mind control) and they are totally repentant.
(good points btw RL) |
Yeah I was talking more about those completely sadistic evil villains that are willing to do anything and sacrifice anyone for their cause! Redemption for those kinds of baddies is quite rare and usually unbelievable...
Gambit being a thief and Sawyer a con man isn't really evil to me...They both have redeeming qualities *coughs*Hotness*coughs* and neither have done anything truly terrible, any killing that either has had to do was warranted or necesarry for their own survival...So I don't consider them to be bad guys...
I guess it depends how much you are willing to let the hero or villain get away with before you decide that they have crossed the line where there is no crossing back... |
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Haha....I guess that brings us back to Gambits 'worse' known deed.....leading the Mauraders to the Morlocks. Is that a crossed line to some? What if he HAD known or guessed the purpose was to kill but had a change of heart once the slaughter began? Would that make him more villainous than him being a naive young lad? Perhaps until that moment he had thought himself capable of being a villian on Sinisters team?
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