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dance2874
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: I just dont get it......... |
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Other than the theory we have that CF wanted GL destroyed to eliminate some imaginary 'competition' they posed, I just dont understand. Why are they spending all this time and $$ to completely level the park? Why not leave that up to whoever gets the land?? If something didnt sell on the auction, why not just leave it there and make the new land owners deal with removing it? (such as the things they have been seen leveling so far like the old wave pool and small buildings) I mean they basically left them all to rot in the offseason (or longer) anyways, so what is the difference?
Makes no sense to me. At this point it would be near impossible to resurrect GL now that all the rides have been sold off anyways. I just dont get why they care so much about tearing down every shred of what is left. Makes me sick....feels like they are purposely doing it at this point to be sure there is no trace of what once was. Disgusting. With every strike of the wrecking balls and bulldozers I get more and more determined never to give CF another penny of my money. |
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carioque41
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Because IMHO Dick Kinzel and Co want nothing of GL for the next person to try and build upon thus eliminating so called competition for any other CF owned properties. I really don't want to knock down on Cedar Point, it is not the park's fault it is owned by Cedar Fair. |
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dsloban
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: i just |
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I know how you feel. None of this makes any sense! The only thingI can think of is that CF is making sure there is no trace of GL at all, so who ever has bought the land would not be able to save GL as a amusement park. Between the fact that not only the rides are gone, all the beautiful trees and the buildings are being ripped out too! I was there yesterday at the Speedway across the street and I was watching the worker ripping the place apart, seeing dumsters and trash all over... made me so upset and mad! I looked around to see other people at the Speedway and saw that they were watching too ! The question that keeps pounding in my head is WHY? I want answers.... This reminds me of a saop opera! |
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Skyglider
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I don't get it either, particularly the trees.
I did not initially believe the theory that Kinzel and Falfas want all traces of Geauga Lake erased. It does not make business sense - why spend money to clear stuff when you could leave that for the buyer to do? Keep in mind this is a company that watches its costs - it left the old waterpark standing to rot until it was sold, they had ride ops running 2-3 kiddie rides on weekend days last summer. There are even reports of Falfas himself wandering Cedar Point on slow days looking for low wage seasonal workers he can send home to save a few dollars.
The more I see, the more that implausible theory seems to hold water. There were never any signals that they would let anything remain, even before the deadline for bids on the land passed.
This scorched earth policy seems to be a decision driven by emotion, not dollars and sense. I am no business expert, but someone who is once told me that the key to a good business decision, whether it is buying or selling a stock or getting a new car, is to avoid letting your emotions interfere.
Have Kinzel and Falfas been guided by emotions in their Geauga Lake decisions? I don't know the whole picture, but it sure looks like it to me.
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Skyglider
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:22 am Post subject: Re: I just dont get it......... |
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| dance2874 wrote: |
| With every strike of the wrecking balls and bulldozers I get more and more determined never to give CF another penny of my money. |
Eveyone has to walk their own road (and I don't think anyone should be criticized for going or not going to Cedar Fair parks) but I am pretty close to that point of view myself. My original thought was I'm going to stay away for 2009 and/or until Kinzel is gone. But this continues to be handled so poorly, I might never go back, at least until all of the top management is long gone.
Aurora's Wildwater Kingdom is the one exception. I really hope it survives. But my family has little interest in standalone waterparks and absolutely no interest in going while active demolition is taking place across the lake.
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carioque41
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Cedar Fair wants any and all competition out of Ohio! It's as clear as that! |
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Skyglider
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And they are lucky they did it well enough to avoid any anti-trust issues.
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GL-BIGDIP-FAN
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: I just dont get it......... |
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| With every strike of the wrecking balls and bulldozers I get more and more determined never to give CF another penny of my money. |
I have felt this way ever since I heard Geauga Lake was closed! But, my determination keeps getting stronger and stronger towards getting others to NOT go to any Cedar Fair Parks!! There is always going to be others that want to go to Cedar Fair parks but what strikes me funny is others that say (they don't like Cedar Fair) but go to them anyways but it wasn't their idea. So and So had free/season tickets, So and So wanted the kids to go.... and so forth...
I will always try and get someone who I hear is thinking of going to Cedar Point or any other Cedar Fair park to NOT GO! It is surprising to them that have not heard a lot about the Geauga Lake closing to hear how things were handled and are still being handled. My job now is to inform the people and to try to get them to go to other parks which are not owned by Cedar Fair!
I don't live near the park but have went out of my way to avoid that area on a couple occasions because of the destruction going on. I don't know if I ever want to go by that area again for that matter! I feel for the people that have to see that on a daily basis!!! that were Geauga Lake fans  |
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Flyingscooter
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My 2 cents.
They want to sell the land, that being said, it's more attractive to the future buyer to start with a clean/flat pallet and work from there.
The housing market in NE Ohio is trashed right now, so i cannot imagine another housing/gated community sprouting up there. The sell rate at Signature of Solon right now is insteresting to see. Many Big-buck houses in that golf community/country club, are up for sale.
I cannot imagine more shopping though. Between the strips across the street from GL to Aurora Farms, that's pretty well covered.
I just can't imagine what they would do with that land.
Keep in mind, I'm no realtor or analyst.
Maybe a giant apartment complex might go for it.
Bud Fox: Why do you need to wreck this company?
Gordon Gekko: Because it's WRECKABLE, all right? I took another look at it and I changed my mind!
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geaugalakeinexile
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: I just dont get it......... |
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I have felt this way ever since I heard Geauga Lake was closed! But, my determination keeps getting stronger and stronger towards getting others to NOT go to any Cedar Fair Parks!! There is always going to be others that want to go to Cedar Fair parks but what strikes me funny is others that say (they don't like Cedar Fair) but go to them anyways but it wasn't their idea. So and So had free/season tickets, So and So wanted the kids to go.... and so forth...
I will always try and get someone who I hear is thinking of going to Cedar Point or any other Cedar Fair park to NOT GO! It is surprising to them that have not heard a lot about the Geauga Lake closing to hear how things were handled and are still being handled. My job now is to inform the people and to try to get them to go to other parks which are not owned by Cedar Fair!
I don't live near the park but have went out of my way to avoid that area on a couple occasions because of the destruction going on. I don't know if I ever want to go by that area again for that matter! I feel for the people that have to see that on a daily basis!!! that were Geauga Lake fans |
These are my sentiments exactly. You would be surprised how many people that I have steered to Darien Lake and especially Kennywood.
I've gotten thank yous from people for turning them on to family parks that are not priced beyond many families. We will never get our Geauga Lake back, but if we all do this we can make Cedar Fair regret their actions. As a wise man once said, " Karma's a bitch". |
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Katie
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Right on GL-BIG-Dip-Fan. I steer my friends and family away from big parks. I would rather drive 5 hours to Knoebel's then drive 90 minutes and go to Cedar Point. I get more for my money at Knoebels and my friends are all there the day of PPP anyway. So what does it matter?
Besides Twister and Phoenix beat anything in Sandusky IMO.
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andieo
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I know everyone is upset with CF. But let's not forget that SF is also to blame. Just think of what could have been if SF accepted Sea World's bid. Instead, they let their ego get in the way, got in over their head, and had to sell. |
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sfwoaloopytech
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If you are referring to SeaWorld's bids in the mid/late 90's, amen to that. However, they did NOT bid in 2003 -it never got past the initial phone call (but man, us fulltimers sure had our fingers crossed when the rumors began)
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Dominator56
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| I know everyone is upset with CF. But let's not forget that SF is also to blame. Just think of what could have been if SF accepted Sea World's bid. Instead, they let their ego get in the way, got in over their head, and had to sell. |
It really wasn't totally their ego...the year of rain was really bad business for them that year. The next year was a drought (bc i remember my grass dying in the middle of summer that year) It was unfortunate weather. I do say they added so many expansions to GL that should of been spread over the years...It would of done much better for their businss that way. Plus I think they could of waited a few more years to see what the attendance was...I bet if they would of kept it open the next few years they would of done wonderful.
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dsloban
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: I just |
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I agree. I mean there was so much potiental for that park, but for reasons I don't understand, CF thought to destroy it would be the best. I know every ear I always waited to see what new thing would be in he park! Maybe the devil told CF to destroy the park!!! |
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