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dpal Beaver Land Mine Ride User is Offline Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 7	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:10 pm    Post subject: Did Cedar Fair pay Woosnam to take the heat? · Quote I have not posted in a while but I still look at your site alot because I've done some work in the park this summer. I can tell you there is not much left, but I thought the readers here would find it interesting that the demo workers were told a few weeks ago that the Big Dipper is off limits. Everybody was told to not touch it. It is like being protected or something. We don't know what is going on, but word around the park is someone at Cedar Fair paid Woosman to take the heat on the Big Dipper mess. According to the rumor they funded his bid and paid him about $25,000 for his efforts. I am not saying anyone did anything illegal or "wrong" but, if it is true, I think it kind of stinks, even if sellers sometimes do buy their own stuff at auctions. Another rumor says he may want more because of all the aggravation he has had to put up with. There is also a rumor that Woosnam is not in charge of taking the Big Dipper down anymore, if it comes to that, due to a problem with the auction. It is now the parks problem (or maybe that was the plan all along). I don't know what the truth is, but it all sounds kind of messy. Maybe there is something going on if they are trying to save it or something? This stuff has been going around and everyone is wondering about it. I think you guys should check it out. Sorry if you all ready know about this stuff.
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BellaCroix Double Loop User is Offline Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 259 Location: Bedford, Ohio	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: · Quote I've said it before but I'll say it again: There's going to be an "accident" in the amateur removal of the Skyscraper by the shoe salesman's people. 1) The gondola (if not the entire tower) will somehow fall on the Dipper desroying enough of it to make it irreperable... someone (Woosman, CF, "the mystery guest behind bid #1) will cash in on the insurance policy (probably in the realm of $1m considering the historic nature of the ride). 2) A spark from an otherwise professional's cutter's torch will ignite a small fire on the track.  Because of the demoltion in the park blocking access, questions regarding what city the fire is actually in delaying responce, or someone who can't find a key to the back gate... the fire will rage uncontrolled for about an hour leaving something resembling The Wild Mouse in Chippewa. Done deal... land cleared, no need to worry about removal costs (ash is easier to haul than wood blanks), they "tried" to save the ride but for the "accident"... Mark my words. _________________ Positions Held: Ancillary: Front Gate Photo (Cameras In Action) Games - Arcades/Coin Op Ancillary: Antique Photo (Kamman's Art Shoppes) Big Dipper Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNMH9Z8NMFc
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Flyingscooter Double Loop User is Offline Joined: 13 Oct 2007 Posts: 296 Location: Cleveland	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:28 pm    Post subject: · Quote Okay, I'm no genius when it comes to auctions. That being said, there is a problem with companies buying back their stuff at auctions in some circumstances. If someone bids, then the 'mystery person' bids higher, and runs like that for a while, then they are stacking the deck against legitimate buyers and driving the price up. at 5k, there could not have been much bidding. I was not at the auction, so i do not know how the bidding on that went. _________________ >>>>>Feuer FREI<<<<<< BANG BANG!
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BellaCroix Double Loop User is Offline Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 259 Location: Bedford, Ohio	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: · Quote Flyingscooter wrote: I was not at the auction, so i do not know how the bidding on that went. Eventually I'll upload the video, in the mean time: Auctioneer: Here we have the historic Big Dipper, built in 1927... the coaster was graciously offered to ACE... Someone: That's a lie... Actioneer: No miss, that's not a lie... security please have this person removed... anyway... shall we start the bidding at $1m?  Anyone?  $500k?  Anyone?  $100k?  Can I get $50k? Woosman: $5k Actioneer: I have $5, anyone not working for CF care to make a bid?  Anyone?  Okay, Sold. _________________ Positions Held: Ancillary: Front Gate Photo (Cameras In Action) Games - Arcades/Coin Op Ancillary: Antique Photo (Kamman's Art Shoppes) Big Dipper Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNMH9Z8NMFc
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Skyglider Big Dipper User is Offline Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 812	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Did Cedar Fair pay Woosnam to take the heat? · Quote dpal wrote: . . . I thought the readers here would find it interesting that the demo workers were told a few weeks ago that the Big Dipper is off limits. Everybody was told to not touch it. It is like being protected or something. We don't know what is going on, but word around the park is someone at Cedar Fair paid Woosman to take the heat on the Big Dipper mess. According to the rumor they funded his bid and paid him about $25,000 for his efforts. I am not saying anyone did anything illegal or "wrong" but, if it is true, I think it kind of stinks, even if sellers sometimes do buy their own stuff at auctions. Another rumor says he may want more because of all the aggravation he has had to put up with. There is also a rumor that Woosnam is not in charge of taking the Big Dipper down anymore, if it comes to that, due to a problem with the auction. It is now the parks problem (or maybe that was the plan all along). Wow. That would be stunning news, if true, that would make Cedar Fair look pretty darn bad to the general public. On the other hand, the news that the Big Dipper is off-limits to demolition crews (for now) is good news. Cedar Fair can still salvage this PR disaster by doing the right thing - preserve the Big Dipper and some of the park's history on site (or at least develop and follow through with a legitmate plan to relocate the Dipper). _________________ "It's a very special ride. We want to make sure it has a proper home." Cedar Fair's Innes on Big Dipper, 12th oldest roller coaster on Earth. "There will not be a lot more work being done on the property" in 2008 said Innes. CF save BD in 09.
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coasterdad Site Admin User is Offline Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Posts: 1675	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:40 pm    Post subject: · Quote What? LOL - you guys really are kidding us right? Why would CF pay someone to buy back a ride? You guys are simply a joke. (the above response will be on a certain website with posters that have their heads up Dicks butt) Skyglider is right - Dick this has gone too far do the right thing and preserve the Big Dipper and some of the park's history on site. _________________ Greed is what caused GL's demise and that just makes me sick. Lets do what we can to rat out Kinzel - hes a snake. In the end the truth will come out and we will then see whos laughing at who. Last edited by coasterdad on Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:46 pm; edited 1 time in total
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BellaCroix Double Loop User is Offline Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 259 Location: Bedford, Ohio	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: · Quote coasterdad wrote: What? LOL - you guys really are kidding us right? Why would CF pay someone to buy back a ride? You guys are simply a joke. See insurance scams above. $5k to "buy" the ride and make everything seem kosher, back up the Brink's truck on the insurance money at $500k - $1m... I don't know... why WOULD they buy their own ride in a sad attempt at PR? _________________ Positions Held: Ancillary: Front Gate Photo (Cameras In Action) Games - Arcades/Coin Op Ancillary: Antique Photo (Kamman's Art Shoppes) Big Dipper Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNMH9Z8NMFc
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Skyglider Big Dipper User is Offline Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 812	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:47 pm    Post subject: · Quote coasterdad wrote: What? LOL - you guys really are kidding us right? Why would CF pay someone to buy back a ride? You guys are simply a joke. (the above post will be on a certain website with posters that have their heads up Dicks butt) No doubt with some comments about conspiracy theories and tin foil hats. This would make sense of a lot of stuff - why did Woosnam also bid on the Raging Wolf Bobs and Double Loop, why has the mystery owner's plan not been announced, why did Cedar Fair approve the buyer without supposedly knowing who it was or where that "very special ride that deserves a proper home" was going. It might sound crazy, but it does make sense of some stuff that just does not fit together otherwise. _________________ "It's a very special ride. We want to make sure it has a proper home." Cedar Fair's Innes on Big Dipper, 12th oldest roller coaster on Earth. "There will not be a lot more work being done on the property" in 2008 said Innes. CF save BD in 09.
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Skyglider Big Dipper User is Offline Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 812	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:53 pm    Post subject: · Quote BellaCroix wrote: I don't know... why WOULD they buy their own ride in a sad attempt at PR? Don't know about the insurance arrangements, but this rumored scheme would have a lot of benefits. They can blame Woosnam or the mystery buyer if the day comes that the Dipper is scrapped. We have already heard the spin that "the decision is no longer in Cedar Fair's hands." The rumored scheme would also keep the coaster out the hands of other parks (one piece of info we got on auction day was that the buyer was not another park), developers who wanted to keep it onsite and/or ACE. No one else bid, but they hardly knew that would be the case going into the auction. _________________ "It's a very special ride. We want to make sure it has a proper home." Cedar Fair's Innes on Big Dipper, 12th oldest roller coaster on Earth. "There will not be a lot more work being done on the property" in 2008 said Innes. CF save BD in 09.
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Skyglider Big Dipper User is Offline Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 812	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:00 pm    Post subject: · Quote coasterdad wrote: Skyglider is right - Dick this has gone too far do the right thing and preserve the Big Dipper and some of the park's history on site. Every time I go by there I marvel at what a small piece of land, between the highway, fishing dock and lake, that the Dipper and Ballroom sit on. Who else would really want that chunk? If someone wants to buy it now (there was a bid in May that was withdrawn only when the Dipper was sold), why the heck won't Cedar Fair consider that? The Big Dipper pre-dates any beef Cedar Fair might have had toward FunTime or Six Flags. Leave it onsite and they are heroes. Smash it to bits and it will be ugly. _________________ "It's a very special ride. We want to make sure it has a proper home." Cedar Fair's Innes on Big Dipper, 12th oldest roller coaster on Earth. "There will not be a lot more work being done on the property" in 2008 said Innes. CF save BD in 09.
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les Beaver Land Mine Ride User is Offline Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 8	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: · Quote None of that would surprise me.  As a matter of fact, I've been pondering that very possibility for the last few weeks. My "warning radar" has been pinging since they announced the park's closing.  When Dipper went for $5000 and then nothing... well, hmmmm...something ain't right here...   _________________ Some people merely follow their dreams.  Others hunt them down and mercilessly beat them into submission.
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KinzelKnew Beaver Land Mine Ride User is Offline Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 18	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:59 pm    Post subject: · Quote Interesting theory....or is it a theory Dick? You guys seem to be a lot smarter than a bunch of folks at another forum make you out to be. If I were Kinzel I would just fess up now rather than prolong further humiliation.
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djcoastermark Beaver Land Mine Ride User is Offline Joined: 03 Jun 2008 Posts: 47	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:43 pm    Post subject: · Quote Really! its time to come clean now, and this game has gone on waaayyy tooo long. IF Bd is going to another park or staying put its time to reveal yourself and any plans for this gem of a ride. The season is over for the year for most parks, so any news of where if at all BD is going wont "hurt" another park. I think everyone is pretty fed up with the game already. What is there to gain now by being a clam?
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oldfuzzster Beaver Land Mine Ride User is Offline Joined: 06 Jun 2008 Posts: 82	Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:46 pm    Post subject: · Quote As a previous poster stated-BD is going to have an "Accident" I have thought this for a long time also. A couple of facts to chew on-Wooseman is a shady guy-he was brought in to court a while back for trying to "sell/scrap" property not belong to him in excess of $10,000 (a felony).CP has not disclosed anything about the BD nor has this great mystery buyer. CP is a big business and as much as we here at GLT like to think we are or can influence CP we aren't going to have that big of an impact. If we were really going to be successful the news would be all over this, but when CP pays big bucks for advertising and we pay ZIP. If Carl Monday can investigate some city worker taking his car home but can't be bothered for looking into this whole BD mess, it doesn't look good for the BD. You can bet it's insured and no it's not going to stay on site so you can forget about that, best case is someone with some integrity steps up buys it and relocates it or donates it to another park.
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Gunkey Monkey Site Admin User is Offline Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Posts: 869 Location: Cleveland, Ohio	Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:25 am    Post subject: · Quote The whole theory makes sense to me. The mystery buyer was supposed to have been revealed back in June and yet it's been so quiet we can hear a pin drop. Even if there is an "accident" that destroys part or all of BD, CF would still get a lot of backlash, moreso than before.   I can see it now. CF PR people would say "Big Dipper was not our responsibility, it was Wooseman's and we are saddened by what had happened to the ride". Meanwhile everyone would scream "You had an opportunity to do something with it but failed to do so. We thought the ride was so special that you wanted to make sure it had a good home." Thank you Robin Innes for the quote that's gonna bite CF in the a$$ for years to come. _________________ On September 21, 2007, a historic 119-year old amusement park had been secretly murdered. Never forget it.
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