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ScrewCrew88
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LAME!!!!
I am NOT at all interested in this ride. Lame, lame, lame. Isn't SRF enough?! I mean, come on.
And did anyone else read about how it said it was in filtered, chlorinated water? OK then...I'd like to see Dicky boy drink that water then if they make it sound so clean.
I am disgusted that they took the name from the old flume ride from years ago and are using it for this ride.
The hill on this ride doesn't even look steep. I "rode" it on this video. If they want to capture me with a ride of this nature, they need to get a PP like Knott's Berry Farm has. Now that ride is FUN!
Once again, we are let down by Cedar Fair. <sigh> When will it end? |
You are missing the entire point. The demographic of this ride is NOT for thrill seekers, it is for the ENTIRE family. That means ma and pa, little Johnny and Suzie, plus grandma and grandpa. That demographic wants "gentle thrills" like you would find on Splash Mountain at Disney or Timber Mountain Log Ride at Knott's. No super high hills, NO steep drops, NO insane speeds....just gentle simple fun. This is the niche Shoot the Rapids fills, not the adreneline teen age junkie demo.
If you want high hills, steep drops and insane drenching ride Snake River Falls. |
YOU are missing the entire point. Reread what I wrote. I said if CF wants to capture me with a ride of this nature, then they need something like Perilous Plunge.
I don't care to get drenched...I really don't. And the times I rode Perilous Plunge, I never got "drenched". Have you even ever ridden it?
I would be happy with another WWL and/or Pepsi Plunge, even. This ride they're introducing does not appeal to me or my family one bit, and I think it's a big waste of money.
Oh and another thing, SNF is also LAME!!!! So now we are stuck with 2 lame water rides at CF, 3 if you count TC. |
You make totally no sense. One breath you are screaming you want Perilous Plunge (which with the original boats did soak riders to the bone just like Snake River Falls) and the next you say you dont want to get wet. I don't think you even know what you want, so how can you complain?
Snake River Falls is for the aggressive thrill seeking demographic, Shoot the Rapids is not nor will you get soaked on Shoot the Rapids..it will be the same effect as on White Water Landing and Mill Race. |
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doubleloop
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The thing i don't like, is the restraint system on the ride. A family log flume doesn't have restraints so all can ride. WWL had no restraints, and had a height restriction of 46" or accompained, same with Pepsi Plunge. However with the OTSR similar to that at Holidayworld, the limit will be about 48"period. That doesnt sound to family friendly to me.
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ScrewCrew88
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| The thing i don't like, is the restraint system on the ride. A family log flume doesn't have restraints so all can ride. WWL had no restraints, and had a height restriction of 46" or accompained, same with Pepsi Plunge. However with the OTSR similar to that at Holidayworld, the limit will be about 48"period. That doesnt sound to family friendly to me. |
You can thank lawsuit happy Americans for the restraints. It is one of the reasons so many older flumes are disappearing, insurance companies and lawyers for theme parks are requiring ride occupants to be "restrained" at all times in some sort of fashion.
Holiday World built a more aggressive version of Intamins flume. Cedar Point's will not be as aggressive and thus I suspect will fall in the 42"-46" height range requirement. |
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Radius
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Shoot the Rapids |
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| Looks like a needed addition to the Point. I would've rather seen a coaster, but do they really need more? Yes. Anyway, I'll ride it as I do everything that comes out new? I'm just pleased that they(CF) didn't paint the ride red/yellow! |
Isn't lightning supposed to strike twice? Another announcement soon? |
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IloveGeauga
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| IloveGeauga wrote: |
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| IloveGeauga wrote: |
LAME!!!!
I am NOT at all interested in this ride. Lame, lame, lame. Isn't SRF enough?! I mean, come on.
And did anyone else read about how it said it was in filtered, chlorinated water? OK then...I'd like to see Dicky boy drink that water then if they make it sound so clean.
I am disgusted that they took the name from the old flume ride from years ago and are using it for this ride.
The hill on this ride doesn't even look steep. I "rode" it on this video. If they want to capture me with a ride of this nature, they need to get a PP like Knott's Berry Farm has. Now that ride is FUN!
Once again, we are let down by Cedar Fair. <sigh> When will it end? |
You are missing the entire point. The demographic of this ride is NOT for thrill seekers, it is for the ENTIRE family. That means ma and pa, little Johnny and Suzie, plus grandma and grandpa. That demographic wants "gentle thrills" like you would find on Splash Mountain at Disney or Timber Mountain Log Ride at Knott's. No super high hills, NO steep drops, NO insane speeds....just gentle simple fun. This is the niche Shoot the Rapids fills, not the adreneline teen age junkie demo.
If you want high hills, steep drops and insane drenching ride Snake River Falls. |
YOU are missing the entire point. Reread what I wrote. I said if CF wants to capture me with a ride of this nature, then they need something like Perilous Plunge.
I don't care to get drenched...I really don't. And the times I rode Perilous Plunge, I never got "drenched". Have you even ever ridden it?
I would be happy with another WWL and/or Pepsi Plunge, even. This ride they're introducing does not appeal to me or my family one bit, and I think it's a big waste of money.
Oh and another thing, SNF is also LAME!!!! So now we are stuck with 2 lame water rides at CF, 3 if you count TC. |
You make totally no sense. One breath you are screaming you want Perilous Plunge[/i] (which with the original boats did soak riders to the bone just like Snake River Falls) and the next you say you dont want to get wet. I don't think you even know what you want, so how can you complain?
Snake River Falls is for the aggressive thrill seeking demographic, Shoot the Rapids is not nor will you get soaked on Shoot the Rapids..it will be the same effect as on White Water Landing and Mill Race. |
I never said I necessarily "want" Perilous Plunge. Once again, I said [i]if Cedar Fair wants to capture me with a ride of that nature, let it be one like Perilous Plunge.
Why are you defending this ride so much? We don't care. Some were hyped up for what ended up being a big nothing. How disappointing. |
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ScrewCrew88
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I am defending the ride because:
A - FINALLY they are listening to what guests are saying. I am giving Cedar Fair credit where credit is due, this should have been built immediately after White Water Landing came down.
B - Having worked in the industry as a seasonal, hourly and full-time employee I understand the demographic issues and how parks MUST find a balance between aggressive thrills and family friendly attractions. This solves a huge imbalance at CP and there is still room for more attractions that have similar demographic appeal like a dark ride, flat rides, etc.
C - I know many current and former employees of Cedar Fair, many of whom count on the company making the right decisions to basically save their jobs and the value of their retirement in stock. I don't think the current coporate leadership is right for the company but I certainly don't want to see people I know lose everything financially because of someone elses poor management decisions. (Look at everyone out of work from Geauga for example!)
The hype was brought on by the coaster enthusiast community, most people close to the park knew it was not a coaster and I certainly don't fault marketing for creating great "buzz"; if they didn't do that they all should be fired!
So you aren't captured by the ride.....then you simply don't fit the family demographic Cedar Point is going after. You aren't dad with little 6 year old Johnny and Grandma and Grandpa going for a gentle ride on a mildly thrilling water attraction. Could it be you just are looking for anything to complain about in a situation when Cedar Fair actually made a smart investment??? |
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BigDipperLover
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I for one love that they are finally putting a flume back in the park. I loved WWL, and I as a father of 2 kids who love rides like this(of course, so do I), already know I/we will love this one as well. Believe me, I hate giving CF/CP credit, but I see on here so much that "CP has hardly anything for families". Well, they for once listened and they came up with this. I love the name as well since it has some history behind it. For once, I can say "Kudo's CP!"
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dsloban
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I am happy to see Shoot the Rapids! I was very sad when they removed WWL! I am also wondering if there will be anything else going in for 2010? I am a coster lover, but it is nice to see a ride like this going in!
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Gunkey Monkey
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1. Another Intamin? Does CF own stock in Intamin or something? They probably could have went with Mack or Hafema and had a similar ride experience.
2. Shoot The Rapids? I can understand that there may be some connection with bringing back the past in name only but it seems as though they have hit rock bottom with names.
3. By adding this ride to Frontier Trail does this sort of mean that they are going to phase it out in the future? Start putting more rides in there and Frontier Trail will lose its secluded appeal.
4. Will Paddlewheel Excursions still be there next year? I do see a little channel that runs under STR but I can't imagine PW's boats going through there. Looks sort of tight.
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John Peck
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Micheal:
1. The park asked for several bids, Intamin came up with the best one for what they wanted to build.
2. I still like it. To each their own.
3. Part of the ride is being built in their boneyard (NOT the Skeleton boneyard) By adding this ride to the back of the park, it again is close to other related water rides and will continue to draw people back their and onto the trail.
4. Yes, there is more than enough clearance. Also, there will be a storyline to go with both rides.
I'm still calling this ride a clear winner for Cedar Point. |
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ffejie
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I don't know about this ride. It is pretty close to Snake river falls. I think the first hill is a tad bigger than srf. . I think it would be better if they went with the one that went down backwards. At least it would be something different than srf. I also am not a big fan of getting soaked and chapping my rear for the rest of the day. However it may make more people pay the 5 dollars for the dryer things! Hey, people have to dry off don't they. Kinf of like people have to eat! |
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John Peck
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Again, the ride features an adjustment to determine how wet the riders get. The park is not planning on soaking anybody. |
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Gunkey Monkey
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Don't get me wrong. I think this ride makes the most sense for CP right now but as someone who likes to get into all the little details of a ride there were just a few that somewhat irked me.
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VGplay
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Wow. I must say I am impressed. I think this is a great addition to the park. I love the throwback name. I think the (as much as it can be at Cedar Point) secluded spot works very well for the "theme" of the ride. And if done right, the final drop into the rocks should look really cool. Though we'll see how well the ride is themed. I believe Pilgrim's Plunge doesn't totally soak you like you would think, so I expect this to similarly splash you.
It definitely fills the void left by removing White Water Landing. Its not flashy, but I'm not disappointed and I am really looking forward to seeing how it looks when done.
I think it is worth mentioning that this uses the last continuous chunk of land at Cedar Point. It will be interesting to see how Cedar Fair expands the park moving forward. Will they start removing rides? Or will they start shoehorning and stacking all over the place? |
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IloveGeauga
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I am defending the ride because:
A - FINALLY they are listening to what guests are saying. I am giving Cedar Fair credit where credit is due, this should have been built immediately after White Water Landing came down.
B - Having worked in the industry as a seasonal, hourly and full-time employee I understand the demographic issues and how parks MUST find a balance between aggressive thrills and family friendly attractions. This solves a huge imbalance at CP and there is still room for more attractions that have similar demographic appeal like a dark ride, flat rides, etc.
C - I know many current and former employees of Cedar Fair, many of whom count on the company making the right decisions to basically save their jobs and the value of their retirement in stock. I don't think the current coporate leadership is right for the company but I certainly don't want to see people I know lose everything financially because of someone elses poor management decisions. (Look at everyone out of work from Geauga for example!)
The hype was brought on by the coaster enthusiast community, most people close to the park knew it was not a coaster and I certainly don't fault marketing for creating great "buzz"; if they didn't do that they all should be fired!
So you aren't captured by the ride.....then you simply don't fit the family demographic Cedar Point is going after. You aren't dad with little 6 year old Johnny and Grandma and Grandpa going for a gentle ride on a mildly thrilling water attraction. Could it be you just are looking for anything to complain about in a situation when Cedar Fair actually made a smart investment??? |
Nope, just stating my opinion, which I am entitled to...just like you are entitled to your opinion. The difference here is that you are trying to make your opinions "fact".
The attraction doesn't look thrilling to me, that's all. I said the hill looks lame...not steep at all. And you said they can adjust the splash level. So are they going to ask each and every rider how wet they'd like to get? I doubt it. They are going to set it how THEY want it.
Just because it's 95 degrees and humid outside, doesn't mean EVERYONE wants to be drenched in some nasty water...not even Grandma and Grandpappy.
Don't get me wrong, a few drops of water on my arms only is an acceptable amount of splash for me. Anything more is too much and too gross.
And Cedar Point's dark ride is lame, too. I am really surprised you mentioned that. Sure they can say they have one, but really...how many people like the "12E" ? It's certainly not family friendly...at least not for Grandma and Gramps. They need to bring back the Earthquake or the Pirate Ride. THAT'S the kind of stuff (dark rides) that's truly family friendly.
Somehow I just keep thinking that it really doesn't matter WHAT kind of rides they get next....if they would just make in-park prices more reasonable, EVERYTHING will fall into place, and they won't have to worry about people losing their jobs or stockholders losing money.
Once again, CF is going about everything all wrong.... |
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