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hookyboysb Beaver Land Mine Ride User is Offline Joined: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 33	Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:43 pm    Post subject: I don't think Geauga Lake or even Big Dipper can be reopened · Quote Just look at the facts: It's surrounded by a bunch of neighborhoods. Many people will complain about the noise if GL/BD is reopened. Then GL will be shut down by the local government. They also have the right to complain about it now, GL is no longer a regular amusement park. So what are your thoughts?
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ChadV Raging Wolf Bobs User is Offline Joined: 02 Jun 2008 Posts: 438	Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:50 pm    Post subject: · Quote I think you're pessimistic. 1) None of the neighborhoods have been built since the park closed.  The park was there and operational for almost 120 years.  I don't see why they could complain about the noise anything on the west side of the lake would generate without having to admit that they're living in houses that were built knowing the noise would be there through the summer. 2) GL will not be Six Flags WoA size anytime soon...  It will take decades, if not a whole other century, to slowly and responsibly build it back to the size it was. 3) The governments in Aurora and Bainbridge are learning how badly they screwed up with not fighting more to keep the park open.  Aurora's residents are angry over having to shoulder more of the tax burden, and Bainbridge is not able to finish projects.  I don't think they'd complain if the park was available to take some of the tax burden back and bring tourism back to the area.
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D Mitch Beaver Land Mine Ride User is Offline Joined: 01 Apr 2009 Posts: 26	Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:48 pm    Post subject: · Quote I agree with Chad. Could the Big Dipper reopen at Geauga Lake? It sure could. Having talked to many people in the area, many who work at and own nearby businesses would welcome a small scale attraction that would bring more people to the area. I don't ever remember any complaints about Big Dipper. It has been there since 1925 and could easily reopen and run until 2025 and beyond without much controversy. Will it happen? If it does not, it will not be because no one advanced a plan to do so. But I have not seen anything to suggest that Cedar Fair has ever seriously considered options that would keep the Big Dipper at Geauga Lake. Unless that changes, it won't run again. That and not the neighbors or the municipalities would be the real reason.
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hookyboysb Beaver Land Mine Ride User is Offline Joined: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 33	Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:50 pm    Post subject: · Quote But here in Central Indiana, money-wasting sound barriers have been put up along the interstates. Some people were complaining about the noise, so the government is putting up sound barriers. Most people who live along the highway probably moved there after it was built. Also, some people complain about the airport's noise. But the airport hasn't been shut down, so I guess GL could reopen. If I had the money, I would buy the land GL/WWK sits on, buy back the Dipper, and add a Boomerang and some flats. That would help GL recover.
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coasterdad Site Admin User is Offline Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Posts: 2155	Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:34 pm    Post subject: · Quote hookyboysb wrote: If I had the money, I would buy the land GL/WWK sits on, buy back the Dipper, and add a Boomerang and some flats. That would help GL recover. If I had the money I would do practically the same thing. Dipper, picnic area, go-kart track, some flats - it would be a gold mine! Unfortunately the owners of the ride and the land don't see it that way. Both sides are acting like little kids and I am pretty damn sick of it! _________________ GL's demise was caused by one mans foolish greed. In the end the truth will come out as it always does.
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CuddyTheFlash Double Loop User is Offline Joined: 14 Sep 2008 Posts: 244 Location: In the darkest corner of your mind	Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:42 pm    Post subject: · Quote Anyone that moves near an airport and complains about the airport noise are idiots. As far as Big Dipper goes, seeing as how it has sat idle for 2 years now, MAJOR work would have to be done on it to get it running safe. _________________ I don't like a certain company so everything they do MUST be wrong, even if it's right.  And that makes me look like a bigger fool. Take a stand against coasters that hurt or kill people.  Holiday World & Knotts Berry Farm, we are watching you!
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Gunkey Monkey Site Admin User is Offline Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Posts: 1102 Location: Cleveland, Ohio	Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject: · Quote I think GL can be resurrected with the right people in charge who have the right vision. The people who seemed to complain the most were those on the other side of the train tracks. To please them would be to not add a lot of big attractions on that side of the park. If I had the money and the opportunity I would reopen the park as it was in 1996 but with some modifications. I'm not going to have Vekoma rebuild the Double Loop and Wolf Bobs as well as Grizzly Run won't exist. _________________ On September 21, 2007, a historic 119-year old amusement park had been secretly murdered. Never forget it.
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KinzelKnew Beaver Land Mine Ride User is Offline Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 97	Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:39 pm    Post subject: · Quote It seems like everyone here has the right vision about hat Geauga Lake could become except the people that own it. Cedar fair obviously would never do anything again with the property, at least with the current leadership in place. The Dippers owner is in cahoots with Cedar Fair and most likely will never do anything to benefit Dipper. Its all so sad really when you think about it. A once thriving park turned into landfill in matter of two years. I don't understand how both parties don't see the benefit of how lucrative that property could be. Start small and build, even if it was just Dipper a go kart track and a picnic area for a few years. All the families in the area now with the shopping would flock to the place.
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CuddyTheFlash Double Loop User is Offline Joined: 14 Sep 2008 Posts: 244 Location: In the darkest corner of your mind	Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:21 am    Post subject: · Quote ^I can somewhat agree with your first part...but after seeing Dipper sit for the last couple of years with no maintenance...that coaster ain't gonna run again.   I hope all GL fans get that through their heads now.  I'm not saying it to be a smart-a**, it's common knowledge. Also from wherever I heard this, the original Big Dipper blueprints are non existent, so rebuilding it somewhere would be more along the lines of 'by gosh and by golly." _________________ I don't like a certain company so everything they do MUST be wrong, even if it's right.  And that makes me look like a bigger fool. Take a stand against coasters that hurt or kill people.  Holiday World & Knotts Berry Farm, we are watching you!
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coasterdad Site Admin User is Offline Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Posts: 2155	Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:37 am    Post subject: · Quote [quote="CuddyTheFlash"].....after seeing Dipper sit for the last couple of years with no maintenance...that coaster ain't gonna run again. quote] I disagree. Many coasters sitting for longer than Dipper have been able to run again. Conneauts Blue Streak which was in much worse shape than Dipper is supposed to run again next year. Dipper is in remarkably good shape with all its running gear intact. I would agree some track work would be necessary, but other than that Dipper cold run again fairly easily. _________________ GL's demise was caused by one mans foolish greed. In the end the truth will come out as it always does.
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coasterdad1971 Double Loop User is Offline Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 239	Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:54 am    Post subject: · Quote [quote="coasterdad"] CuddyTheFlash wrote: .....after seeing Dipper sit for the last couple of years with no maintenance...that coaster ain't gonna run again. quote] I disagree. Many coasters sitting for longer than Dipper have been able to run again. Conneauts Blue Streak which was in much worse shape than Dipper is supposed to run again next year. Dipper is in remarkably good shape with all its running gear intact. I would agree some track work would be necessary, but other than that Dipper cold run again fairly easily. I agree, and thats just one example.  There are many out there.   Not so sure about on that particular spot though, I guess that is up to the owner and Cedar Fair!  I still think the ACE idea was a great one.  The ballroom as a museum and still run the coaster onsite. _________________ Rob G. - Sea World Ohio and Geauga Lake Fan. The end of an era came Sept 21, 2007. And it didnt have to.
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coasterdad1971 Double Loop User is Offline Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 239	Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: I don't think Geauga Lake or even Big Dipper can be reop · Quote hookyboysb wrote: Just look at the facts: It's surrounded by a bunch of neighborhoods. Many people will complain about the noise if GL/BD is reopened. Then GL will be shut down by the local government. They also have the right to complain about it now, GL is no longer a regular amusement park. So what are your thoughts? Sorry for the double post, but I had more to say on this topic. The park was in that neighborhood for 119 years, along the crowds from Sea World for many of those years.  I don't think this argument holds water.  The bigger reason has to do with the Dickey Doo and his big bully up north. _________________ Rob G. - Sea World Ohio and Geauga Lake Fan. The end of an era came Sept 21, 2007. And it didnt have to.
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Gunkey Monkey Site Admin User is Offline Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Posts: 1102 Location: Cleveland, Ohio	Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:45 pm    Post subject: · Quote If there are no original blueprints of the ride then how hard would it be to get a coaster builder like Gravity Group or GCII to at least come in and make the proper measurements to create some? Conneaut's Blue Streak is a great ride albeit a somewhat "is this ride safe" if you were to look at the condition it was in, at least from the last time I rode it. Big Dipper is in much better condition by comparison. _________________ On September 21, 2007, a historic 119-year old amusement park had been secretly murdered. Never forget it.
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Sohio Splash Landing User is Offline Joined: 01 Nov 2007 Posts: 131 Location: Nashville, TN	Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: · Quote You don't need blueprints to move a coaster.   http://www.rcdb.com/143.htm And that coaster sat for 5 years before it was moved. _________________
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roost0502 Beaver Land Mine Ride User is Offline Joined: 19 Sep 2009 Posts: 4	Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:06 am    Post subject: · Quote This is my first post and it's nice to meet all of you.  I found the site after a trip to WWK this summer.  I have been reading over the past couple months and echo many of the sentiments you express above.  I had not been to GL in a few years but obviously knew of the past two years events.  I could not stop staring across the lake at the wreck that is the property today and found myself wishing it was 2 1/2 years before and I could take my 6 year old to a park where I had some great memories.  I did not expect to leave that day feeling how I did... I will tell you I am a CF passholder and visit Cedar Point on a pretty regular basis.  I live right between the two parks and have always loved CP as both a child and adult.  That said- when the entire GL park was operational we often visited and I always enjoyed my time there.  Growing up I always treasured any trip to either park, but since I started taking my own kids a few years ago it is an entirely different experience- and a great one. I would love to see something done with the property that creates some of the old "magic".  (I can still remember sharing funnel cake and trying to be smooth with a certain girl in 8th grade... only then to fall backwards off the wooden fence near the main gate and end that chance)  From my perspective, the waterpark is only going to last so long.  We had a great time there but it is so bizzare to see only 8 rows of cars sitting in the mammoth parking lot.  It really is a tradegdy to have it sit there the way it is.  I don't know how feasible the idea of someone turning that into any resemblece of GL is, but from a selfish viewpoint I would love to see them try and we would visit.   Sorry for the long post- promise to be shorter next time.
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