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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:20 am Post subject: Sony Cyber-shot DSC-W100 |
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Well I think I have finally decided on a camera. 
I’m not looking for anything fancy, just a good point-and-shoot camera.
I like Sony Cyber-shot DSC-W100 – especially on the report for the long lasting battery
I found this review report http://www.steves-digicams.com/2006_reviews/w100.html
And this other one http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,126563-page,1-c,cameras/article.html
But these guys say it lacks a shutter-priority mode.
If it’s referring to the shutter-speed according to the first link review it says it has it.
So what do they mean? And what do you think about it?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Shutter priority mode is where you set the shutter speed you want and the camera sets the aperature when you press half-way to autofocus. I find this mode quite useful when taking action photography or shooting from my car as it is moving down the highway. I try to use the highest shutter speed I can get for such situations, as this also gives me great depth of field due to the fact that using the highest possible shutter speed means the aperature is at a larger opening (smaller f-stop).
You might want to take a look at the Canon S3-IS (about $300) before you make up your mind completely. I think Rike has one, so you could ask her how she likes it. Here's a link to a good review of this camera:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons3is/
Also, take a look at the new Panasonic Lumix DMC FZ7 at around $315:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2006_reviews/fz7.html
I think, personally, I would go with the Panasonic, but that's just my opinion.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Repa,
This is an excerpt from the review:
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| The camera lacks aperture-priority and shutter-priority modes, but you can use the manual mode to adjust the aperture size and shutter speed independently. The screen shows the current exposure value, so you can keep this balanced easily within a few stops of zero. In all the other modes, a few touches of the four-way controller will alter the exposure compensation. The display button gives quick access to a histogram display, during both recording and playback of your shot. |
I understand the use for shutter speed, what I don't understand is what do they mean by shutter-priority modes.  Because from what is said above it can be set manually
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Again, shutter priority mode is where you set the shutter speed and the camera sets the aperature when you autofocus. Aperature priority mode is where you set the aperature and the camera sets the shutter speed when you autofocus. This still gives you a semi point-and-shoot capability, whereas manual mode is where you must set both the aperature and shutter speed, requiring either a light meter or trial and error with the autofocus if it indicates that your settings are or are not within range of the current lighting conditions. Both the Canon S3 IS and the Panasonic FZ7 mentioned above give you all these features and much more, making them cameras that go from fully automatic point-and-shoot to fully manual, and everything imaginable in between. I added the FZ7 above after reading about it, and may purchase this camera for myself to replace my FZ20.
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Pep,
I went to Steve's Digicam and looked at the camera you are interested in. Not bad at all for the price. The Carl Zeiss lens are excellent lens. I don't like the fact that there is no shutter mode though. Take a look at the comparable canon bodies. And price "B & H' in New York for your Sony. It might possibly be cheaper. But in all it's not a bad price. try to get something that has an aperature and shutter priority mode. You set the shutter and the program takes care of the f stop or you set the f stop and camera takes care of the shutter speed for you.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Repa,
I think I got it, it's not automatic and I would have to set it manually all the time making me go through the trial and error for every single shot.
Guess I'll keep looking... I'm going to check out your links - Thanks!
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Pep,
I went to Steve's Digicam and looked at the camera you are interested in. Not bad at all for the price. The Carl Zeiss lens are excellent lens. I don't like the fact that there is no shutter mode though. Take a look at the comparable canon bodies. And price "B & H' in New York for your Sony. It might possibly be cheaper. ?But in all it's not a bad price. try to get something that has an aperature and shutter priority mode. You set the shutter and the program takes care of the f stop or you set the f stop and camera takes care of the shutter speed for you. |
Thanks Prophoto,
Yours & Repa's explanations has cleared me up now. I know about the Carl Zeiss lens. That's why I was looking into it.
As I understand now, I don't like the fact of the Shutter mode either. How am I going to show you guys my Humming birds?!! 
I have to keep on looking then, I will check out Repa's links. Will get back to you two on it.
Thank you both 
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Sam, I think that for the money, you would do better with one of the Canon Powershot series. From the TZ3 review at dpreview, it sounds like there is way too much noise at even low ISOs and too much noise reduction to compensate, hence the lower rating on image quality. ISO is in reference to the sensors' sensitivity, and for lower light conditions you need a higher ISO. By going to a higher ISO, you can increase your shutter speed for the same aperature opening in lower light conditions. The TZ3 starts at ISO 100 and has problems with noise there. Under certain conditions, pictures larger than 4x6 may look noisy or even smeared with soft, not sharp images from over compensation of the internal noise reduction in the camera.
If you don't want to consider the Panasonic Lumix DMC FZ7 or the Canon PowerShot S3 IS because of size, which are in size between what I have and what you are considering, then I would look at the Canon Powershots A710 IS, A640, A630 or A620, all of which are highly recommended at dpreview and all have higher image quality ratings then the TZ3. The first 2 are near the same price range as the Panasonic TZ3 and the A630 is about $60 to $100 less. The A630 is basically an A640 with fewer megapixels (and probably less noisy). The A620 is a 4x Optical zoom, comes in at around $170 and has a lot of nice features for the money.
If you really want to get into serious photography, I'd take another look at the Panasonic Lumix DMC FZ7 or the Canon PowerShot S3 IS. Have you actually, physically looked at one to assess its size? I was surprised to see how small they are compared to my camera. You could put either into a large purse, but a camera bag is better.  And, they are only a few dollars more than the others, and with more features and much more powerful lenses.
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Sam, I don't know if I can be of much help, but I would like to add this to the equation: My first digital camera was an Olympus 3000 Z, the Z standing for Zoom; but the zoom was only a 3x optical zoom, any digital zoom is worthless, don't even look at it. I loved that camera, it took great pictures, even at only 3 mps (that's all it had). But the 3x zoom just isn't enough if you want to get close to things (like Hummingbirds). When I decided to get a new camera, the number one attribute it HAD to have was 10x (or more) optical zoom. Another thing I don't like in a camera is a propriatory battery: they are usually expensive. Both my digital cameras use regular and/or rechargeable AA batteries. I have several sets of rechargeable AA's and a battery charger that also plugs into the cigarette lighter in the car. In an emergency, I can buy a set of regular AA's. I run out of batteries very seldom, mostly because I don't use the digital screen a lot: I use my digital camera like my regular film camera, looking through the view finder, because most of the time, the digital screen is too washed out. If you don't use the digital screen, your batteries will last a long time.
The batteries - that's just me, it's not too important; but from what I think you'd like to use your camera for, a 10-12x optical zoom should be something for you to look for.
Yes, the Canon S3 IS is not a tiny camera - I would have liked a smaller one better, too. But for my purposes, it was what I needed to take the photos I wanted to take. So, if I look like a tourist, who cares? I'm not trying to please the rest of the world, but just myself, by using the best equipment for my tasks.
I have the S2 IS, so there may be some improvements to the S3. The S2 does not have a remote control, which I would really like when I use the tripod. But that's about all that's missing.
Good luck with your choice!
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Repa & Rike,
Many thanks for your inputs. I think the thing is that they are so many choices out there that I get confused and mesmerised.
In the past all I needed to know was what quality of film I needed to buy... now I need a special dictionary for all these functions we are given.
I read the full review (a very big one) on the the Panasonic DMC-TZ3K after I posted and yes, I should continue looking. Especially for that price!
Repa, I took a quick look at the ones you like for me. I do like a couple, but I'm going to take my time in reading each review and get back to you.
Rike, it's not a matter of having a big camera and what people would think... I couldn't care about that... its a matter of personal security... It's not good to be a tourist in this country right now. One has to "blend in".
Thank you all on this and for your patience. I guess I'm just too mesmerized and overwhelmed... and yeah... I'm a bit picky when it's time to shop Will let you know asap!
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Samantha,
Good for you. I learned a lot reading along with this thread.
I have a canon power shot that I just love. I've been taking pictures in the garden the past few days learning the settings I haven't used during the winter.
We can learn together. I was using automatic most of the winter because of the snow, but now Wow!...I even took some macro and a few of them are a keeper. I'll be showing them soon, but I wanted to let you know I'm so happy for you. Yes, you should scout around and check the prices but your are getting good advise from the experts here as well. I'm going to give you some advise: read the manual, even if you use automatic at first...I got my manual in my hand every day I go outside. We are also lucky to have prophoto and Repa as pro's to help us, as well as the other's here in the photography forum. We are all learning from each other and sharing. That is what I love about this community or family we have here.
Good Luck and keep us posted. Sorry for disrupting your post but I wanted to say I'm happy for you.
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Samantha and Sheila,
I just thought I should remind you - remembering where we all started - that HP (and Sony) has some excellent Digital Photography Classes. Some of them are about Camera Settings, and some of them about composition etc. I really learned a lot at those classes, and if you take one, you can advertise for GG&MG, too.
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Rike,
Thanks for letting me know about those classes at HP. I can learn a lot with the classes helping me with the settings. Even though I take out my manual and read it. I find taking the pictures and using the camera helps me learn hands on, but these classes sound great. Your pictures have improved so much since the beginning. Thanks so much.
Samantha...I have a Canon Power Shot A620 and love it. I like the size as it's not too big and it's easy to handle. Take a look at the links and maybe you might see one of the one I have.
I have a couple of links if you want to check it out.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_a620.asp
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canona620/
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/
This last link is a review for a lot of Canon's Cameras.
Take care,
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Sheila,
Many thanks for your advise... I was wondering where were you
I will look through each and every single link. I do appreciate your all your troubles in looking for these links for me.
And most of all I do appreciate all the advise given here. Nothing is better than the advise from friends.
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