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Hick!?
Das Mit dem Rassismus wird immer uns am arsch kleben ,Hey ich bin erst 14 aber ich kann euch sagen das war damals Nicht Heute!!!!Und wir sind auch keine Biersäufer,Wurstfresser und haben so scheiß namen wie Hans!Kenneth
01 Mar 2009, 08:01 - Report |
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Germany and germans are pure garbage
i am brazilian, and i can say you that brazilian people as a whole hates the f... scum germans racists.german try disguise their racism and nazism,but they cant. everybody see that they still racists monsters like in the time of thrid reich.
germans,please, stay away from brazil, and i assure you ,germans,i never will touch my feet in your damned soil! you are the most ugly people in the face of earth! stay away from my country, bastards!Brazilian man
01 Mar 2009, 08:02 - Report |
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Hey you can hate the 3 Reich
THE PEOPLE FROM GERMANY:TODAY!!!!!!!!!!! ARE NOT NAZISSimba
01 Mar 2009, 08:03 - Report |
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Germans are shit!
Die deutschen sind auf jeden Fall scheiße. Fuck em!Cimba
01 Mar 2009, 08:07 - Report |
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hey
You are gay???iam her the only American the hate not germany!?Stuart
01 Mar 2009, 08:09 - Report |
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Ich liebe Amerika wieso hassen die uns dann???Thomas
01 Mar 2009, 08:11 - Report |
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Nie zufiredene deutsche gebildete(lach) Sackratten!
Deutsche sind keine Bietrinker und Wurstfresser und heißen auch nicht Hans. NICHT MEHR.
Aber Deutsche sind heute Egomanen, Geldsüchtige und neidische, nie zufriedene Sackratten mit dämlichen Namen wie Justin und Sandy.Dummer Johan Wolfgang von Klöte
01 Mar 2009, 08:12 - Report |
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Haha
i Comes from Croatia the Americans the Nazis, germany is cool!Why you are not why the British People ,the and Germany are good Friends!Adolf Obama,Barack Hitler
01 Mar 2009, 08:15 - Report |
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germany sucks
i hate it and i've always hated it.
i wish it doesn't exist.
yeah.the hater
01 Mar 2009, 11:16 - Report |
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germany is a country of murderes
it is the real true! germans are all false and liars! stay away from brazil,germans! you are not welcomed here!Brazilian
02 Mar 2009, 12:22 - Report |
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germany is hell
sad ppl,depresseds,lonely, i feel sorry for them all!taxi driver
02 Mar 2009, 04:57 - Report |
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hippies
New Zealand has too many german hippies, boring old guys with beards who want to crack onto chicks 30 years younger than them because they think they are european gurus. Hey man germany is so uptight and uncool and full of nazis - but everything else there is better than stupid NZ! The old bastards should fuck off back there.Mick
02 Mar 2009, 10:56 - Report |
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oh mick
hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaa,you are really funny,hahahahahahahahhahahaaaa.i know is sad but true....k
03 Mar 2009, 08:48 - Report |
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Ameirca SUCKS !
I agree with the people who said America sucks, I've lived here for 2 yrs now.. and no matter what part i go to. It SUCKS! and they are rude people who hate life, and they think their country is the best, which it isnt. Its full of sadness, hate, and anything negative you can think of. Its been rare that I've come across with a American thats been actually nice and have nothing against other people from other countries, I think they are all selfish!itrue
03 Mar 2009, 10:45 - Report |
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berliner idiots
I lived in Kiel before and the people were fine but I moved to Berlin last year. The ordinary Berliner people are hostile and ugly arseholes. I never saw so many ugly people in all my life. I think this must be where the human ugly gene comes from. The bus drivers are very bad like they have a permanent hangover. But some passengers have been stabbing them in the head recently so maybe the will be a bit happier in future. The best thing is that everything in Berlin is 'einmal'. You buy a bus ticket, 'einmalbitte', a bread roll 'einmalbitte', a beer 'einmalbitte'. Even if there are 20 sorts of beer, this works every time. Morons.thomas
04 Mar 2009, 12:53 - Report |
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Germany is an extremely ugly and soulless european country ....and it's people too
Berlin is one of the worst cities on earth.
I lived in different towns in Germany. Berlin is very ugly with 90% unfriendly life-hating people.
But Munich is one extremely psychopatic shithole too. You can't believe how fucked-up Munich mentality really is; bomb Munich and it's people!! Then there is Essen which is just fucked up, ugly Turks and Germans everywhere; with Dortmund, Bochum, Kassel and Frankfurt it's just the same. All shitty places that should not exist on earth. Filled with German sad scum faces. It is not a matter of America being what it is. THIS thread is ABOUT GERMANY!!!
Germany is one ugly motherfucking shit-country with sad people, guys. If America is bad, so be it...but Germany is truly, truly one piece of shit. America being bad does not mean that Germany now is paradise...it isn't. Germans are greedy morons who can't stand their own country and that's why they always have to travel to other countries. Because they hate their society and it's people.
Germany is worthless and a sad, depressed control-state with a very ugly european and embittered sad population.Lennard
04 Mar 2009, 12:49 - Report |
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Lennard..
be careful, what you said means you are an ugly bastard as well..gerd
04 Mar 2009, 02:45 - Report |
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maybe...but I write what I wanted to say...
I don't need to be careful. Call me what you want..doesn't change that Germany is shit.
When you are a non-drinker or alcoholic in a hospital full of alcoholics you can say that this place is really full of sick and alcohol-addicted people. Maybe you are one of them but don't befool yourself into saying that you are in paradise there. You are not. You are surrounded by addicts. That's what I said above. Maybe I am an ugly european but Germany is one sick control-state with many sad people.
That's it.Lennard
04 Mar 2009, 06:24 - Report |
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germany and germens are pieces of shit
germany is the worst country in the face of earth! there is no place worst than germany!if germany and germans never existed ,the wordl would be a better place to live!
f...you ,germen scum! you are nothing!latino
04 Mar 2009, 08:19 - Report |
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yes lennard,latino,i agree
im french,and this place its awfull,full of hate,they cant enjoy life,depressiv.france have many troubles too,and stupid people,but here its just too much,like hell!!!!DUPONT
04 Mar 2009, 08:29 - Report |
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germany is becoming more and more like the U.S.
I live in west-germany and am half american, half german. I know both countries and cultures very well!
if you visit germany for the first time I wouldn't recommend going to the east. that's where the cliche comes from that germans are unhappy and grumpy people.
generaly they are NOT bad people and neither are americans. ..and to everyone who says that germans or americans are stupid: that's racism coming from YOU!
the sad thing is we will never live in a world without prejudices because there will always be a huge percent of idiots all over this world who just don't get it..Mike
05 Mar 2009, 12:53 - Report |
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Brandenburg
I go to Brandenburg 1-2 days every week for business, since 2004. It confirms my belief about german society. Ordinary Germans tend to have slightly childish personalities. That means they avoid responsibility, blame others when something goes wrong, quickly feel under attack, are frightened to initiate anything in case they make a mistake, have simple and narrow ideas about how people should present themselves - the best presentation style is to be almost invisible. It's the same with the criminal justice system: even when someone is convicted of a crime, the media cannot normally print his surname, because it might hurt his poor feelings. This all means that in other countries I find most people are friendly and reasonable at first, later some might turn out to be arseholes. In Germany: people are arseholes first, then later some might turn out to be friendly and reasonable.Frank
05 Mar 2009, 12:25 - Report |
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poor stupid @Lennard!
@Lennard
The film SPIELZEUGLAND won an Oscar
The sweet little guy playing in it is of turkish descent and is neither ugly nor like the people you saw in Essen
He looks extremely european (he could be british or something)
His name is Tamay Oezvatan
This is JUST ONE example for nice Turks!Cem D
05 Mar 2009, 12:30 - Report |
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Germany sucks...
See. It is good that this film exists. I am telling my experiences and I don't deny others'. I don't tell anybody you are stupid because you love Germans or the opposite. I flatout tell my story here. That's all. When you like Turks it's best to go to Turkey and find them all together. Why search for French people in Romania; instead go to France; why praise Turks in Germany; go to Turkey instead and meet the real Turks not some fucked-up German-Franchise-Turks.
That's all. Live in shitty, ugly Essen for 10 years and then live in Konya for ten years and you will know what I mean. Meet Turks and leave Germany. Now!Lennard
05 Mar 2009, 03:01 - Report |
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Germany sucks
Hello every one, most of my childhood friends were "Germans" ..My german friends were the only ones who understood and acepted me and didn't care of my race and nationalitY ..I always like Germans and i dreamed of marrying a German , i usually dated German men ..Many Americans thought i was crazy they remind me about hitler and the nazis and i was asked why i like those damn , nazi , germans ( their words not mine).I explain to them that evil comes in all forms , colors and nationalities ..Racism exist every where in these world , some people are much hiprocrites than others , what i mean is that some shows their true colors more then others.I love America very much , but there is alot of hiprocrits ,lots of back stabbers and racist people .Germans show their true colors and most Americans don't .I rather know who hates me then founding out later on..Some Americans pretend to like you ,it is just a mask, they don't show their true colors and that is much more scarry ..I met good Germans , i have German best friends and i also dated German men.What i didn't like about German men their lack of sense of humor and they were not toooo romantic " that sucks" overall i was treated better by them then the American men i dated..Sure, there lots of nazis in Germany but there alots of nazis and kkk in America ..Some Americans are very friendly and kind but racism still much exist here , is not over yet..No offense to American men , i rather marry a German men the ones i dated seem to be much more open minded then America men..Lots of people in the world hates Germans because of what they did to the jews and the world .I was one of those ignorant person who was told by society and media that all Germans were racist and nazis , i was afraid of them when i was a child to me they (Germans) were the booogy men .Meeting my Germans friends open my eyes that not every one is desame.By the way Boris Becker he is not racist , he did recieved death threats by neo-nazis for marrying a mixed women they had to flee the country. I love German men like Boris Becker , cute , kind , open minded , educated and not racist , yes it exist .I will find the German men of my dreams some day , he is out there.Ignorance makes this world a horrible place to live at , not every one is desame , can't judge every one ..Every human being deserves a chance , forgiveness and love are the best things.By the way i am a cute , exotic, brown skin , women..God Blesspoypoy
06 Mar 2009, 04:24 - Report |
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meant germans don't suck
My African American friend lived in Germany for 3 years and she loved it , her husband was stationed there.My friend wants to go back she had a great time and she said the people were kind to her .My dad lived in Germany for 25 years and loved it , he got along with Germans and even married a German women , he is of polynesian , asian and moorish ancestry with light brown skin. My point is there are good and evil people in these world.Peacepoypoy
06 Mar 2009, 05:15 - Report |
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How far does you interest in German men really go? Would you be prepared to REVOKE YOUR US CITIZENSHIP? That's what you have to do if you want a German passport. That would mean you would need to get a tourist visa to visit the US. Otherwise, you have to get your German visa renewed regularly, and cannot leave Germany for long periods. If you have children, they have to decide by their 23rd birthday if they want to be Germans or US citizens - you can't have both.Greg
06 Mar 2009, 01:15 - Report |
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@Lennard
I am of turkısh descent.
If you were able to speak german,I would advıse you to read what I wrote about Turks ın Germany ın general ON PAGE 10.
Belıeve me---I am also not a fan of them.
But thıs does not mean that every Turk ın Germany ıs lıke those ıdıots whıch you descrıbed.
I am ın Istanbul at the moment.Turks over here are very modern.
By the way,Hılary Clınton arrıved ın Turkey today.She took part on a TV-show whıch ıs very sımılor to that one ın the US,hosted by Whoopıe Goldberg and a few other women.
I am sure that ın a few days you wıll be able to watch ıt on Youtube.
Look at the women who host the show and take a look at the women ın the audıence.
Maybe then you wıll understand that your braın ıs full of prejudıces.
And DO NOT tell me to leave Germany.
I was born ın Germany,I have a german passport and I lıke the country.
If there ıs anybody,who should leave the country,ıt ıs YOU.
Instead of you,I lıke Germany and the Germans.
I am a German of turkısh descent.
So,come on,leave my country.Cem Dönmez
07 Mar 2009, 05:28 - Report |
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Lennard
And do not waste your tıme by wrıtıng an answer to me.
I wıll not read ıt.
I do not know,why I already wrote so much ın thıs thread,whıch seems to be a meetıng-place for low-educated people.
Thank God,I met very nıce Amerıcans when I was ın New York last year.
Otherwıse I would have a wrong ımpressıon of your country.
That ıs all I have to say.Goodbye to everyone--Cem Dönmez
07 Mar 2009, 07:35 - Report |
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I was really shocked when reading so many phrases full of hate.
I like the Germans.shocked man
08 Mar 2009, 03:04 - Report |
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Hate?
As a German I find most of the messages here are constructive criticism, not hate. Unlike many of my feeble countrymen and women who begin whining and screaming for revenge when they see simple and obvious shortcomings in this country, I am strong enough to take it. "We have suffered enough, oh God how we the German people have suffered, all wrong, all too much, oh God, please let us alone!" is their masochistic cry of pleasure. I suggest they sign on for Hartz 4 and spend their days on the sofa watching TV shopping channels. I am glad to have some of my tax spent on this, and it would make for a lot less whining, pathetic idiots in German workplaces, streets, bars etc.Gerhard
09 Mar 2009, 04:51 - Report |
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Go away Turk.
Go away Turkish ass. Cem is a shit-name.hairyman
10 Mar 2009, 12:50 - Report |
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I don't understand what's going on here
First of all, please forgive me my bad English. I have no talent for other languages, I am more a freak in higher mathematics and other stuff.
I had to read here a lot of things like "germans are not enjoying life", or "all Germans are Nazis or racists" and so on, and so on.
I live in Freiburg, in the south-west of Germany. Its a very nice town in the Black Forest. Freiburg has a very good and old university (older than 550 years).
You never will find any nazi or other racist assholes here. Far from it, you can find here a very liberal, a little bit crazy (in a positive context) society which is open for other cultures. You will find people who are really enjoying their life, who are not sad or offish. And thats why I love my country and why I never could leave Germany. I would miss this nice people, my friends, the montains and the landscapes of the black forest, the culture...
I am very proud of the german culture (Johann Sebastian Bach, Goethe, Schiller etc...) and german inventions. We are the land of the Poet and Thinkers. We have wondeful citys with a great history. I am also proud of my ancestry and the history of my family, which started in 1284.
Germany is the most economical power in europe, and we will hold this position in the future, doutblessly.
Before Germany will go under, the United States, the UK and other european countries will cease to exist. I know what I am talking about. I studied political economics for more than 5 years (Master of Science). I know the economical key figures.the happy german
11 Mar 2009, 12:43 - Report |
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Freiburg...
hahaha Freiburg is a boring dump full of conservative assholes and wichser students..and home to the infamous nazi philosopher Heidigger. No wonder you are a happy German.Gerhard
11 Mar 2009, 06:08 - Report |
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american scum
haha you american idiots need you get your head out your assholesfaggots
11 Mar 2009, 09:12 - Report |
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american scum
anyone ever heard of the kkk? rednecks? lynchings? You guys gave civil rights to the blacks how many years ago? and whats this shit about Germans thinking their world saviours? What about Iraq? Vietnam? Gulf wars? you goddamn americans hypocrites think that you are the police of the world...faggots
11 Mar 2009, 09:18 - Report |
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mexican beaner
and what the fuck? since when did the germans or in fact anyone started to mass emigrate to that shithole brazil? lolgoddamn brazilians
11 Mar 2009, 09:20 - Report |
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Gerhard
Ich nehme an du bist Deutscher oder verstehst zumindest deutsch? Ich frage mich, wo du hier konservative Arschlöcher gesehen haben willst. Die meisten hier sind ziemlich alternativ unterwegs. Freiburg ist nicht umsonst die Solar-Haupstadt Deutschlands, oder hat als erste deutsche Großstadt einen grünen Bürgermeister.
Ich bin übrigens in Baden-Baden geboren und aufgewachsen. DAS ist eine wirklich konservative Stadt, verglichen mit Freiburg...the happy german
11 Mar 2009, 09:30 - Report |
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@ Proud Brazilian
Don't worry. I never would move to Brazil for a longer period. I never could live in country which such a corrupt police, and which such a hihg crime rate. 55 000 homicides every year. No, thank you!
I think, it's better to stay in a rich and secure country with a highly developed infrastructure like Germany.
Don't be envious about our hihg prosperity.the happy german
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brazil is more rich than your fucking nazi-germany,loser! here kids dont kill others kids in schools,like in your damned germany! stay in your "human"machines country,i have nothing against you,since you NEVER TOUCH YOUR FEET IN BRAZIL! we brazilians dislike germans! i puke when i see a fucking german in my country! never come to brazil,fucking nazi!stay in shit-land(germany)and i will wish good luck for you!
try be happy in your hell-country,if you can!Proud Brazilian
12 Mar 2009, 05:27 - Report |
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@ Proud Brazilian
How many street-kids are killed in your slums day for day, my brazilian friend?
Have you ever been in Germany? I mean western Germany, the east really sucks, and yes, there are some fucking nazis. But you will never find nazis, racists or sad people where I live. We are a multicultural society with people from all over the world. There is no xenophobia. No racist skinheads. I saw the last nazi in 2002, with a broken nose by my fist.
So, come down and stop telling lies about Germany.
BTW: Once, I was in Brazil, but that's 10 years ago (when I was 13). Nice country and nice people, but a lot of indescribable pourness, a lot of crime and corrupt police.
No, I never could live there. And I would miss the wonderful landscape of my homeland.the happy german
12 Mar 2009, 06:51 - Report |
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happy german
ok, "happy german". if is true that you broke a nazi nose with your fist,you are not a bad person.if you hate nazis,leave germany,before the IV reich begins.people that hates nazis and racists like you need a more healty enviroment, in another country.Proud Brazilian
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Proud Brazilian
Will I disappoint you, when I say, that we REALY have just a few Nazis in Germany? Not more than in other countries like the US, Sweden, GB or Russia? Real nazis who became criminal are very strict hunted by the german police and the judiciary. For this assholes, we have a no-tolerance-politic here in Germany. They are absolutly ostrazied by the society.
I repeat: We have some stupid nazis in eastern germany. But the highest quote in the worst important nazi-centers in the east was never higher than 18, 19 percent.
And everywhere the damned Nazis are having a demonstration, there are normaly just 100-200 people in their ranks. But there is ever a counter-demonstration with thousends of people against this assholes.
BTW: The last election in Germany was in 2005. The NPD (german radical-right-party) were elected by just 1.6 percent of the eligible voters.
We will never have a IV. Empire here in Germany.the happy german
12 Mar 2009, 11:09 - Report |
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its funny
but you know,money dont make happyness.your germany its rich,sure,but the people so saaddd!!!.boring,racist,stupid,old fashion,depressiv,god,what a piece of shit!.brazil can be poor,but they are happy every single day,with sun,beaches,great music,loving people.do you have that in germany??????noo wayyyytrixie
13 Mar 2009, 11:42 - Report |
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@ Trixie
Simple question, simple answer: Of course we have that in Germany. I am the best example for a happy, fun-loving german boy. Well, maybe not at the moment, because I lost my mom and grandma in the last 6 months, but I am a very optimistic guy.
Some of the worlds best fashion desinger are living and working in Germany. We have a very rich culture, germans love visiting concerts, theatre and cabaret. I originate from a real artistically family. My mother was a journalist, but also writer of books, poems and radio plays (especially for kids). My grandfather was stage director at the german television but mainly composer for film-music. He also had his owne Jazzband.
And of course we have sunny beaches in Germany. And very hot summers. Where I am living (deep south-west Germany) we have very often temperatures about more than 40 °C in July and August.
I could tell you a lot of things more, but I have to go to bed (it's nearly 1.00 AM here in Germany, and I must be fit for some student partys tomorrow
Wish you a nice evening in sunny Brazil (we still have a little bit winter, but the springtime is cooming soon)the happy german
14 Mar 2009, 12:31 - Report |
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trixie and happy german
brazil is not africa. here are a lot of rich people,good transportation and industries. one of the bigger aircraft factore in the world is brazilian(embraer) there is too a lot of factores of guns,tanks,small arms,civilian cars and much more.
brazil is not cuba,that lives only with sun and beachs.brazil is a industrial coutry,and one of the emergent nations with china and india!
soon we will defeat germany in the economy,like china already did.Proud Brazilian
14 Mar 2009, 03:10 - Report |
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trixie and happy german
this vision that brazil is only sun and beachs is dead!everybody that see statistics know that brazil is a great economy between the countries of the worldProud Brazilian
14 Mar 2009, 03:15 - Report |
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WTF?
Geil...das german bashing nimmt neue dimensionen an, eigentlich kann man dazu schon gar nichts mehr sagen...
ach übrigens das mit den dichtern und denkern war vor 200 jahren, heute sinds mehr so die nichtdenkenden dichten (wobei ich da manchmal auch dazugehöre ) ,ansonsten ganz normaler trend!Rulaman
14 Mar 2009, 05:25 - Report |
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@ Proud Brazilian
Of course, Brazilian has been developed in the last years, but I don't think, that it will be easy to defeat germany in economy. And China has a lot of problems.
BTW: I know the statistics and economical key figures. I studied political economics (Master of Science)the happy german
14 Mar 2009, 09:36 - Report |
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happy german
since second world war brazil have been grown in economy. we have a population of 200.000.000 people(number 5 in the world) and a territory of 8.511.000 square km. our gnp is 2 trilhions of dollars, the number 8 economy in the world. in less than 20 years we will left germany behind in economy.Proud Brazilian |
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Stay at home
I´m german and I like to live here.
It´s so easy. If you don´t like germans or germany stay in your native country.Deutschland
14 Mar 2009, 11:58 - Report |
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Winnenden
I bet the parents of the Turkish girls that sadistic murdering asshole nazi bastard Tim K. shot in the head last week wished they had stayed in their own country. Life for him was "so easy" in Germany, what was his problem? The same with that kid in Erfurt. Germany is a rich country, with social welfare for anyone who needs it but apparently some people are never satisfied until they control or destroy others' lives.Gerhard 15 Mar 2009, 11:27 - Report |
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A Sad Country
I have been living in Western Germany for a year and a half. I have a great job and a good salary. Before Germany, I have been an international worker in 5 different countries (including Brazil, Argentina, Spain, France, the UK, the USA and DR Congo), so I feel I can compare. Most German people I have met here are friendly and polite. They are also shy, cold and distant until they get to know you and trust you. They can then become trustworthy friends if given a chance. However, even Western Germany, the "sunny side" of the country, looks to me like a sad place to live in. If you do not have an inner light, you cannot shine, and no matter how much they try (even by having a few extra beers to look more relaxed), they are still stiff. This is because adult German people do not have that inner light. I believe German schools do a hard work to turn that small light off since very early in life. Hegel described the ideal of a Nation, and the individual just got lost in this pursuit of perfection. Here, the rule comes first. Even the German concept of beauty is born, in my opinion, from the harmony born out of precision and foreseeability. In Germany, job and academic titles are more important that anything. I have been systematically pushed to use my PhD title, and to mention that I have two masters degrees, which I find ridiculous. But if you want to be respected here, you are to be called Frau, and of course, Dr. Yes, people here spy each other, as one comment in this Forum said. I can see this in my workplace. Of course this happens everywhere in the world, but I feel Germany is the only place in the world in where spying and delating are consider good citizen actions. German citizens (not all of then, this is just a trend) are hyper competitive and do not like to assume mistakes because they have been taught that this would make them look vulnerable. Someone else's pain or suffering usually disturb, unless that someone else lives in Africa, and they do love to make donations for those who live very far away. I have had a terrible experience in a German hospital, in which lost a baby. When the nurses and doctors saw me crying and asking to be with my baby, they called the police and forced me into a psychiatric institution. When the doctor who received me at the psychiatric institution asked me about my story (he was from Switzerland) he apologized and told me that I had scared the doctors when I cried and asked to be with my baby and then refused to talk to them. I asked this Swiss doctor: But I lost my son, how do they expected me to react? And he answered, before letting me go home: German women stay silent in bed after a miscarriage, they might look pale but they do not cry out and do not ask to be close to their babies. Lesson learnt. Believe it or not, after being mistreated in such a horrible way, I do not hate Germany. I just feel sorry for the people who get used to the many positive things of this country (clean streets in Western Germany, nice cafes, cultural offers, good will) and do not dare to go to a different, more vibrant and alive country. I AM canceling my residence permit and leaving this country. I believe I would be happier in any country in the world, maybe with the exception of China and Russia. I have lived in Congo, as I said, in a house with no drinking water, no electricity, no TV, of course, with bullets entering my room windows and I have fallen into ambushes. Could you believe me if I told you that those were some of the happier years in my life? Yes, because Congolese people are happy to be alive, and their happiness is something that I absorb. As I am, right now, absorbing the emptiness and unhappiness of this dear, but sad, very sad, German nation.Ready to leave Germany
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Germany do not sucks
I am impressed about the people ho have hate feeling for Germany, they really a need psychiatric treatment.
I am living in Germany for a lot of years and I can not see anything bad or wrong on the very contrary, the people is kind and polite much more than in other places and is a land of wonderful cities and towns.
So the ones who write all that shit above should go for advice to a MD and also go to church and pray for your mental sanity.Brian
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Not a sad country
I am resident in Germany since 22 years ago, I live in the south western part, an amazing area called Balck Forest, close to Switzerland and France. I did arrive here when I was very young and did married a german woman. Because of my job I am often in contact with a lot of people and I have a also tons of friends from here so I can say they are not sad as said in some message back. This is a land who was rebuilt from the ashes and this is really admiring, this country is open for competitive people yes but also for the artist, so they are sensible and appreciate feelings ans sensibility. Germany is a vibrant country full of live and the people is really enchanting and have a special shine from inside. They are even more warm and lovely than the people think and some are not able to see. For that I am sorry. The wonderful is just that they respect each other and also they respect the law. So they are able to leave peacefully and without fighting. I would not leave this lovely country where is my heart.Want to continue living here
15 Mar 2009, 04:49 - Report |
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Proud brazilian so easy to defeat German Economy
Your optimism is good but don't go to the extreme of cheating yourself...quite difficult for a southamerican country to reach such big levels from Germany, even in the middle of the crisis. Don't you know that Germany is the third economy of the world???Oriana
15 Mar 2009, 04:59 - Report |
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Stay home, stay in your country
I agree with a message bevore, if you do not feel comfortable living in Germany you better go back home.PP
15 Mar 2009, 05:03 - Report |
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For New York and Christopher
I am sorry for your bad experience in Germany, really.. but that is not the experience of all. I want to say that America is a country without identity at all, plenty of racism and violence, is a big market of prostitution and drugs and unsatisfied people, that can be seen just by looking in their faces, specially in NY where the people is always angry. What is worse they always want to be kings of the world... America sucks...Happy German Resident
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ORIANA, THE ENVY GERMAN
it is not optimism. it is realism. all that i said is based in statistics .i did not create anithing. the data about brazilian economy is a public information.if you can count,you will see that i am right when i said that brazil will defeat germany in the economy in less than 20 years.
i feel sorry if it hurt your german nazi feelings: a nation of mixed races(brazil)superior in economy upon your damned germany...
my apologies,but we will go on growining.
(AND THE THRID ECONOMY IN THE WORLD IS CHINA.USA IS THE FIRST AND JAPAN IS THE SECOND. GERMANY IS ONLY THE FORTY ECONOMY,TODAY.BRAZIL IS NUMBER 8. IN LESS THAN 20 YEARS WE WILL DEFEAT YOU)Proud Brazilian
15 Mar 2009, 08:15 - Report |
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Sad, Sad Germany again
Brian, of course you feel normal. You are in the right place, plenty of people like you. Enjoy it! (by the way, the school shooter also felt normal).
PP: you do not have to invite me to leave, I AM leaving, and I said so. I am always ready to leave countries in which people react with xenophobia and and answers like yours when they have to face critics. So thank you for reminding me about how right I am to cancel the three years left in my visa and going to a better place.
To Want To Continue Living Here: What you say is sweet and I am very happy that you feel happy here. I respect your opinion as I expect you respect mine. Yes, as I said in my email, there are plenty of wonderful / wunderbar things in Germany, especially in Western and South Germany. But I also have MANY German friends living abroad, and they are honest enough to tell me that they ran out, not only of the cold, but also of stiff, sad and depressing compatriots. Some of them have come back to Germany after many years working abroad, invited by prominent German universities to occupy directing positions. They have survived months, maybe a year, before leaving again. The reason?: They love home, but they are tired of people who do not dare to call them by their first names and who kneel in front of them because they are "Professors". I respect different traditions and I am ALWAYS grateful to the countries which welcome me, even if they have done, like Germany, also horrible things to me (Brian, my very kind and German lawyer also won a lawsuit against the very German hospital who mistreated me... and he is German... does he have to visit a shrink too?) However, I have the permanent feeling that this country is always ready to attack the different again. No matter how much schools hammer on their children's mind that they have to respect differences. No matter how much people respect the law here. The tensions continue in a subtle, subterranean way. Sad people do not like shiny people, and sooner or later they try to fix it. Several posts ago, I saw a message from an alleged German (at least he signed something like Proud German, or German) telling another person in this forum: "People like you should not be allowed to reproduce....". Sounds familiar? )Even readier to leave Germany....
15 Mar 2009, 08:37 - Report |
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ready to leave germany
what you suffered when you lost your baby in germany is a proof that germans are nothing more than monsters without heart or feelings.
germans are the shame of human king!I HATE GERMANY
15 Mar 2009, 08:48 - Report |
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ORIANA
dont forget that brazil is the most powerfull contry in latin america,and one of the greats of the world. we have three times more population and 30 times more territory than germany,and our gnp is 2 trilhions of dollars,almost the germani gnp of 3 trilhios of dollars. dont forget it! our gnp is bigger than the russian and united kingdon gnp!happy brazilian
15 Mar 2009, 08:56 - Report |
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Germany is a sad, life-hating and soulless country!
Some time ago I wanted just to die; because I have lived in Germany. There is no point living in Germany.
There are ugly and sad people all over the country. Some may hide it better than others. That is the fact.
The person who says most Germans are monsters is kind of right.. Living in Germany is causing you alot of depression and if not now then after some time. There is no German that is worth knowing him; there are mostly, only sad
and depressed people in Germany. That's cause I wanted to commit suicide. Nothing you gain in Germany is worth anything. You could live in Germany for three hundred years and maybe get to know very very few close friends and generally kind people. After many years I have to sum up that Germany is NO place for good men; you have
the life of a psycho; lonesome, controlled by the government, spied at nearly every step you make; women hate and control men and are generally very selfish, ugly after short time and you as a guy have to give everybody an
explanation for what you do and what you don't do.
Germans are anti-life; I mean absolutely anti-life in the negative kind of way;...they begrudge you everything and don't like being free; only talk about freedom but when TSHTF the all go back to mummy government to moan and groan. There is literally NOTHING worthwhile being or even living in Germany; that is
the worst mistake you could ever make....living in Germany for a length of time. You mybe get to know some glimpses of poeples' lives but that'S it. Most of them would strangle you with their eyes if they could; the others ignore you as a human as if they are kings on earth. Germans hate life and have to flee from their
own country in order to enjoy only the most little pleasures...Germany as a country is pathetic and contributes NOTHING to the world. All the contributed really could have been done by somebody else. Germany is one ugly shithole, because the people make what is worth in a country and German people are one ugly bunch; no soul and no heart. Money oriented to the bone and no humour; sad faces all over the country and
Stasi-control to the core....
It is ugly....all of you who read my sentences...stay far far away from Germany..Germany hates, literally
HATES it's own population but they don't say it. They lie to their own population....it's a very ugly country. People have no soul and you will feel it in the air. Stay away from Germany and never ever plan to build your personal life on this soil. This will be pathetic.
Every good-hearted, inner vibrating foreigner, please stay away from this hating society and ugly shithole.
For those of you who are still staying in Germany at that time....LEAVE, leave as fast as you can.
And for those who plan to be in Germany....don't go there. Treat it like aplace where pocks and the plaque are residing...let it rot...leave it and never try to get to know a German very intimately...you will never fully get to know
a German in your lifetime.
You won't miss a thing in your live by never being in Germany, either short or long term!!!
My regards to all of you.
amenamen
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long life to brazil
long life to brazil, and f... germany!
brazil,my country,forever!Proud Brazilian
15 Mar 2009, 11:51 - Report |
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germany
hello.hello
16 Mar 2009, 02:53 - Report |
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@ Ready to leave Germany: I feel with you, but I can´t believe what cold doctor you met. That what he´s saying is idiot. Of course German women cry if their babies die. I really don´t know what kind of react this guy would have if he would lost his baby.
@ amen: It´s right that German people are often a bit weird (that´s the reason why Turks call us " the German tank", but they are not anti-life! I don´t know where do you come from, but for me as German are for example the Norwegians a rude population. It´s another perspective.Hallo
16 Mar 2009, 04:08 - Report |
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sucking
If you want high culture go to France, the Mediteranean and all its history go to Greece or Italy. If you want to go somewhere that sucks, come to Germany. Really, a lot of people come to Germany because it really sucks! Actually, people in most continental countries suck a bit, they are just too provincial. But Germany sucks in its own special way as well. Get into it! Enjoy!the laughing foreigner
16 Mar 2009, 04:18 - Report |
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@ Proud Brazilian
If you would think before posting you would see that your comments are nazi-style! Your comments are absolutely stupid and worldly innocent! Do you live in 1943 or in 2009? I respect every Brazilian and there are a lot of Brazilians who love Germany! For example soccer star Ze Roberto: He said that he is feeling safer in Germany and he has got a lot of friends here! Please, keep this comments private, your destroying the German-Brazilian friendship.pld
16 Mar 2009, 04:20 - Report |
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@ the laughing foreigner
Laugh as much as you want. You don´t know anything about German history and the culture.Hallo
16 Mar 2009, 04:24 - Report |
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pdl,another envy german
a recent research showed that 40% of the germans hates brazil. do you call this german-brazilian friedship? germany and turkey was the two country that most disliked brazilians.in all others countries in this research, the vision about brazil was positive.the negative vision about brazil in the others countries besides germany and turkey was in average only 15%.
stay in your germany,and shut up! dont talk about brazil.you and the germans in general dislike brazil because you have not our optimism and easy going, and you dont belive how we can enjoy the life and work hard and develop at the same time.Brazilian
16 Mar 2009, 05:13 - Report |
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@hallo
wrong, like anyone in my country who has gone to university, I know a great deal about Germany especially early Romanticism, Elias's civilisation theory and the Germans, 1914-1945 and the history of the BRD. I know a lot about Hegel, Marx, Mann, Fassbinder and cultural despair. But I also know that most Germans know a lot less than I do. It's a bit like going to Greece and expecting the newspaper kiosk owner to be an expert on Plato - in actual fact he's a chain-smoking, heavy-drinking macho. Europe's classical days are long over, now they are trying to be world leaders in "social values" - after getting together to murder millions just a few decades ago. Especially Germany! But thhey keep getting shocks, like the PISA shock for example. Every night the Tageschau makes me laugh (asides from having the day's news read by a virgin!!) hahahahha! Beer's OK though esp Rothaus and Jever. Thanks!!the laughing foreigner
16 Mar 2009, 05:14 - Report |
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laughing foreigner
it is really funny! germans only six decades ago were murdering millions of children and olders in gas chambers,and now they pose like human rights and righteness paladins! it is really very funny to see!i dislike germans
16 Mar 2009, 05:30 - Report |
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why so much hate ?
why do so many people here attack each others because of their nationality ? would it not be better if people would work together and try to understand each other ? i think many of the anti-german post are written by people who are not american. just because someone writes in english and chooses and english nick doesn't mean that he is american. Maybe in some cases they are disappointed immigrants.I have lived in the US for some time and I really like the people and the American culture.
@ proud Brazilians: You accuse Germans of being racist but you generalize about an entire country.. so you are racist yourself. Many Brazilians try to immigrate to Germany and Europe but almost nobody from Germany wants to immigrate to Brazil. Maybe some day your economy will be bigger than Germany's economy but I don't care.... You also have more than twice as many people so of course your economy should be bigger.
If it was true that 40% of germans have a negative opinion about brazil there are still 60% who have a positive opinion. Did you ever think about that ? maybe it's true that some german people are too criticial of others countries. but they are usually also very critical of themselves. it's true that many germans are often too negative and complain too much.
@ laughing foreigner: Germany was in the upper third of the PISA ranking. I think it's not that bad. Only the german media made it soundd like it was such a catastrophe. but actually many other european countries were like one or two places above or below germany. so germany is in the european average.Alex
17 Mar 2009, 03:16 - Report |
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@ broud prazillian
40% germans hate brazil? 40% of germans never even set a foot on a south american country...
bollocks
btw your not improving on your countries image by posting worthless inanities...are u drunk?Rulaman
17 Mar 2009, 06:12 - Report |
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@ ready to leave germany
im sorry to hear that you dont feel at home so much here, nevertheless i would like to know how you feel about your stay in france and where did you stay ?Rulaman
17 Mar 2009, 06:25 - Report |
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Alex and Rulaman
alex,in south brazil there are 3.000.000 of people with german ancestry.germans emigrated to brazil in large numbers in the past.
ruleman,the nazi,i dont want improve image of my country here. i dont care about what germans think about brazil,because germany for me do not exist.the data that i write above is retired from a scientific research. if you dont know what is a scientific, i must conclude that your iq is less than 70, and it is impossible to talk with you.the research made for united nations showed that germany and turkey are the countries that hate brazil,both with 40%. the other countries only disliked brazil per a 15% margin in average.Proud Brazilian
17 Mar 2009, 06:47 - Report |
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Rulaman
I stayed in Paris, Montpellier and Clermont Ferrand (I have lived there several times during the last 10 years, for different reasons, work, family and research). I am currently studying in a co-sponsored programme in one of the best French universities (but still living in Germany). Parisians are definitely not as understanding as Western Germans if you do not speak their language properly (though in the South and the East that does not happen) and Parisians need tourists but mistreat them - true. The rest.... just lovely. France is the country of joy, beauty and warm (to me). Your question about France opens the door for me to post another comment: have you noticed that even there are many critics to other European countries in the other international fora of Just Landed, very few say that those countries are "sad", or "pessimistic", or "negative"? So there might be some true in there. Regarding Alex's comment on not many Germans living in Brazil... sorry Alex but have you ever put a foot on Brazil's Northeast? Or in Sao Jose dos Campos, near Sao Paulo? Or in Brasilia? Or in Rio? Or.... wherever you go, PLENTY of German professors, engineers, scientists.... all running away from the cold, and looking for kind, sweet people and a mild weather. Paradise, in spite of poverty and inequality. That, without counting, as Proud Brazilian says.... the 3.000.000 German descents living in the Rio Grande do Sul state, in which people still speak German in many occasions (I have been doing research on that there, two years ago). However, Proud Brazilian, Alex, and all those who use this forum for angry exchanges, let us lower our level of tension ) Every country have its own virtues and things to be solved. What is true, however, is that some emerging countries will have a very important say in the world politics and economy very soon: Brazil, India, and of course China....and the old Continent will have to start to take them as serious partners in dialogue. Nothing to worry, though: Brazilian people are really tolerant, and love foreigners. I have lived in Brazil as a foreign person and I have been so well treated that I consider that country my place in the world. Finally, thank you to all you posted sweet and understanding messages about my experience in a German hospital.Ready to leave Germany - but no hurt feelings
17 Mar 2009, 08:29 - Report |
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Alex
I think you will find most "hate" comes from the German side. You certainly know that Germany damaged its international reputation badly because of Schroeder's anti-American campaign that he used to get himself re-elected - but Iraq was a great chance for the NPD but especially the millions of German hobby left-wingers to express their bitterness and guilt about being Germans=World War 2. I never expected it when I came here but the war is still THE major aspect of Germans' and the reason behind the exaggeratedly-friendly, uncertain, distant or hostile relationships with foreigners and the major theme within Germany society. Another example: "We might have been mass-murderers but at least Germans are better-educated than the US etc?" No. = PISA-shock. When Germans start accepting themselves, they willl overcome their depression and hostility.Ted
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Hi you interesting people
My name is Çetin Şen and I live in Ankara.
Two months ago I have been in Germany for the first time.
I went there with a few friends from the Gazi University here in Ankara.
I saw Regensburg and Passau.
Both cities were beautiful and german people have been very friendly.
When I came back to Turkey I told everyone that german people are quite nice.
I think many of them are not like the SS-soldiers we know from several films.
I would like to invite german people to spend their holidays here in Turkey.
You are welcomed to Turkeyguy from Ankara
17 Mar 2009, 03:11 - Report |
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I'm german
Well i am german. And what I have to read here makes me very sad, i never expected americans would dislike our country and culture this extreme. You have to see that war is over.
I can not apologize for something that my ancestors did a very very long time ago now.
Wherever I go on holiday they always say germans are nazis.
How can you say something like if the most of you never been to germany and never talked to any germans.
Ugly places, ignorant, sad people....you find these everywhere, in every country
but please do not talk that rude against a whole nation, we are not nazis,
probably there are few peeps here that have no healthy sanity and believe jews or other cultures are bad, but we all know they are dumb and belong to prison.
Insulting a whole country now and here shows that you aren't any better than themMara, german girl !
17 Mar 2009, 05:31 - Report |
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@ Ted + Ready to leave
@ Ready to leave: Yes I have actually visited Brazil once. I have visited friends in Rio but I didn't meet any German people. The immigration from Germany to Brazil took place in the past when the economical situation in Germany was very bad. Nowadays only a few rich retired people might move to Brazil because they can buy a house with a pool there for a good price. For them Brazil might seem like a paradise because they have little worries in life. If German immigrants would come to Brazil mainly to work and they would be faced with the hardship of daily work life some might also become disappointed I think. Especially if they had economic problems. So the immigration to Brazil and Germany is a bit different.
My personal experience in Brazil wasn't bad and I even met a some Brazilians who studied German. So proud Brazilians is wrong when he says all Brazilians hate Germans, I guess.
Like you said every place has it's advantages and disadvantages. German people might be in general kind of negative and a bit depressed (I think it's because of the weather, the history and the conservative media) but the good thing is that the German society is relatively tolerant, there is a low crime rate, low corruption, help for people who lost their job etc., the traffic is calm. If you don't like your stay in Germany it's ok and your personal decision.
But I get offended by generalizations like: "All Germans are rude, my people are much warmer etc." Imagine you'd invite someone to your house and he'd tell you that it really sucks and that in his house everything looks better. Or he'd tell you that he has a better character only because his ethnicity is different than yours... Would you not consider that rude ? If some people say that all Germans are unfriendly and they are much nicer it sounds to me as if they want to say that they are better only because of their nationality. Maybe some people need this feeling to blow up their low self esteem ?
In Brazil or the US people on the average might be more optimistic and talktive but those places also have their disadvantages.
@ Ted: I don't think that Germany's reputation was damaged badly because we didn't support the war in Iraq. The attack on Iraq was very unpopular in many countries around the world. Also Schröder didn't support Saddam Hussein or anything. He just said that afterwards the situation in Iraq will be more difficult. I think every country can decide on it's own whether it wants to participate in a millitairy action.
Still I think you are right when you say that some Germans are anti-American because they feel inferior to America because of Germany's history. Maybe if they talk bad about the US it makes them feel less inferior. It annoys me when people are judgemental and tell to people from abroad that only their own culture is the best. But not all Germans are ignorant and anti-American. I know that the US are a country with many educated, kind people, good food, beautiful museums, interesting and pleasant cities.
@ guy from Ankara: teshekkür ederim. I have visited Istanbul and I really liked it.Alex
17 Mar 2009, 05:55 - Report |
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@ Ted
Ted, when I have lived in the US I've met some Latin American immigrants who said the same stuff about the US that people say about Germany in this forum. What do you think about that ?Alex
17 Mar 2009, 05:59 - Report |
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@ Mara
Ich denke, die Leute die hier über Deutschland verallgemeinern müssen nicht unbedingt Amerikaner sein, nur weil sie auf Englisch schreiben. Vielleicht sind manche auch Faker.Alex
17 Mar 2009, 06:07 - Report |
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Mara
Stop blaming the nazis, they were never the problem. It's the "normal" people who voted for Hitler, who joined the army, who did what they thought was a good idea. It's the same today - it's all "gegenrechts" or "zivilcourage zeigen" ...that's just for national vanity. Most foreigners never even see a neo-nazi, but have a look at today's report about youth attitudes in Germany. I am betting money that some NPD candidate will get over the 5% hurdle for the federal election in September. Then the country will have to wake from its long sleep since 1945.the laughing foreigner
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stop the bullshit!of course germans are all nazis!
germans are now polishing their adolf hitler pictures.
mara,if you would not a disguised nazi or racist,you should hate germany too.but you love germany,and it mean that you feel will with the crimes made in german soil.
have you a adolf picture in your wall too?i feel very sorry for all germans:you are a crazy people,and did learn nothing with your defeat in two wars in the last century.israel
17 Mar 2009, 07:26 - Report |
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mara,go polish your adolf picture now
mara ,do you hate jews too? to love germany,you must hate jews.it is impossible love germany and dont hate jews.
you,nazis, make me laugh!your tentatives to disguise yourself how tolerant people are pathetic.israel
17 Mar 2009, 07:31 - Report |
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true
i live in germany 3 years now,and im going crazy.i just want to die,to suicide.im sorry,but here its awfull,stay,far far away from here,please!!!!!!i pray to god to go soon to france,byer
17 Mar 2009, 09:12 - Report |
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@Alex
It is good to hear that you have been in Istanbul.
And it is even better to hear that you liked it.
As far as I can see,you have also learned how to say THANK YOU in turkish.
So,DANKE SCHÖN for your opinion.guy from Ankara
17 Mar 2009, 09:22 - Report |
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Germany sucks
What a horrible debate. I'm ashamed of being German, not for the stereotypes portrayed here, but much more for the Germans defending Germany in such an offensive way. Yes, of course we are rude in comparison with the Americans and yes in general we are a bunch of unhappy people. The majority are not Nazis though, sorry, but that's rubbish. If we seem more rude to foreigners than to Germans, that's in general rather a feeling of inferiority than true racism. We hear almost every day that other nations don't like us.
I have lived in several places within Europe and Asia for longer periods of time and got to know quite a few foreigners there. There wasn't a single person, who didn't go through a phase of hating the hosting country.
Germans don't be offended if someone doesn't like our country. We are in comparison to a lot of other countries people who are hard to get warm with. We have other virtues.
Foreigners: We are closed up and rude, but once you've broken through the wall, most of us are very loyal friends. Give it a try if you want, if not that's fair enough.German Expat
17 Mar 2009, 09:36 - Report |
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@Alex
And here is some more turkish.
Sizin ülkeniz de çok güzel
means
Your country is very beautiful,too.guy from Ankara
17 Mar 2009, 09:42 - Report |
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@Alex
It will make you laughing,but most of us young Turks learned a few german words from nice german......ehmmmm.....documentary films,which we used to watch during our teenage-years.
DANKE SCHÖN is quite alright I think.
I better do not mention other words I know.guy from Ankara
17 Mar 2009, 10:04 - Report |
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young germans
I saw it on the news today.One of seven german youngsters does not like foreigners.That is pretty much I think.nazi-hater
17 Mar 2009, 10:22 - Report |
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@ Expat
@ Expat: I guess you feel ashamed of being German in general or can you give an example how I have defended Germany in an offensive way ? Some of the stereotypes and anti-german posts were also pretty offensive, don't you think ? Maybe you enjoy getting insulted ? Also you don't need to lecture others on what they should think or write. 
@ guy from Ankara: Thanks for teaching me more Turkish. I will say this phrase when I come to Turkey the next time.
I think the "documentary flims" that you refer to you'd just learn "jaa.. jaaaa ohh.. meehr" and phrases like that, right ? heheheAlex
17 Mar 2009, 10:51 - Report |
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broud prazilian
hey you, do you believe everything you read just because they call it scientific? thats lame...
but since my iq is less than 70 i wonder how i could operate this computer, maybe the prazilian sun got you on your head bad?! (oh oh now im an evil mofo nazi)
for everyone who posts anything about the irag war and the WW2, be reminded that the bush government used EXACTLY the same tactics which were used in the WW2 propaganda to get the german people to fight a war. this is no joke, it was explained at the nuremberg trials 60 years ago...
history repeats itself after all. at least in some senserulaman
18 Mar 2009, 05:15 - Report |
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@Alex
You are right.I learned exactly phrases like that ones you mentioned.
And here are some more
ICH KOME
JAAAA,DAS IST SCHÖNguy from Ankara
18 Mar 2009, 10:51 - Report |
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@Alex
Well, sorry I wasn't referring to anything you said. The overwhelming majority of comments from either side are offensive.
I just don't see what good would come from someone offending those who don't like us. That would surely strengthen his/her opinion.
There are things I'm actually proud of about the German culture, there are other things I'm glad I miss out on living abroad.
In depth discussions about topics other than pop culture seem to be less part of most other cultures I have come across. But having fun and politeness are definitely not our strong points.
Anyway, I will go back to Germany because I miss the German culture.Expat
18 Mar 2009, 11:48 - Report |
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pardon?
"In depth discussions about topics other than pop culture"??? can you give examples? I think you might have confused the German lack of fun culture with intellectual depth. Most discussion of Germany's role in world war two for example has been done by foreign scholars. Germany also has low liberal arts university graduation levels (the widely feared Arts degree) compared with many other countries so people don't have the intellectual training needed to discuss matters in depth - that's something for the doctor professors, after all.Ted
18 Mar 2009, 02:26 - Report |
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That goes too far here!
You blame me being a nazi???
You dont know anything!!
How you dare to blame a whole nation, you guys are mad! The ppl of my gerneration that now live in germany had nothing to do with hitler and so they sure did not vote for any "rechtsparteien"
And well they never asked my attitude at those reports, youre all talking bad about a whole country even though you have never lived here or talked to one of the ppl living there.
And blaming us to be nazis because we dont hate our country is the worst rubbish i have ever heard of. Do you know we have laws against those Nazistuff and young people are taught at school, that the germans living here in the 30s and 40s indeed were all crazy and disturbed, but as i said
I can not apologize something that my ancestors did a long, long time ago. And i never say anything against jews (some of my ancestors were jewish themselves) and i never say anything against foreigners.
Yes I feel ofended when someone says im a nazi, sorry to destroy your fantasies, guys but its just not true that all germans are nazis, sure there are a few disturbed ppl living here (like they are everywhere), but at least give the normal ones a chance to prove we're not cruel racistsMara
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Mara, I think with their generalizations and harted against Germans those people say more about themselves than they say about Germans...
I think it's racist to say that all people who belong to a certain group or nationality are bad. Those generalizations are dangerous and they will only lead to more bad feelings and hatred. And who will gain by that ?
I have also read the study that "proud Brazilian" refers to and surprisingly it said that Germany was considered a country with a good image in many countries. So the hateful posters don't speak for their entire country even if they wish it was like that. To me the people who say racist stuff about Germans are just as bad as racists within Germany. Therefore I ignore hateful useless post and only reply to the ones who have some interesting points and constructive criticism.
I guess some racists will always hate Germans no matter what we do because for them hating others seems to be a necessity. Also Germans are not the only target of hate... Many other people and countries also get offended and insulted by haters. But in my opinion hatred harms the haters more than the people who are hated.
@ guy from Ankara: Your post is funny If you like I could teach you more useful phrases in German and you could teach me some Turkish. Would you like to chat on MSN ?
@ Expat: Maybe accepting every insult will also strengthen the opinion of racist people because then they will think they can allow themselves every rudness and offense because Germans are the only ones who accept getting insulted without getting upset. I guess if the hateful poster wrote the stuff they wrote against Germans about Americans or Russians in an American or Russian forum the response would be a lot harsher.Alex
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@Alex
I would like to chat,but the sad point in my life is that in a few weeks I have to write a test at my University about a subject which is a mistery to me.I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT IT.
So I have to learn now what I should have learned during the last year.Instead of learning I used to go to rock-festivals,cafes,clubs....and do other useful things.
Now I am a bit afraid of my future.I do not want to end like the guy I see every morning on the streets of Ankara,who sings turkish folk-songs and dances to it,while his friend is playing on a cheap keyboard.
I use to take a look at this thread when I stop learning for a few minutes.
I can not promise you that I will be able to continue it during the next days.
Concerning the films I have mentioned I would like to add that those german "actors" were very talented.....in their own way.guy from Ankara
18 Mar 2009, 05:00 - Report
Mara
did you date a nigger?of course not
did you date a jew?of course not.
but in all countries besides germany is common to see interracial couples.till in usa(obama is a living exemple.his mother was white and his father,black.)
germany is the only country in the world that still belive in the arian madness and all bullshit about racial purity.
you germans ara disgustingisrael
18 Mar 2009, 05:31 - Report
OECD 2006
Die Bildungserwartungen von 15jährigen in Deutschland sind vergleichsweise gering.
Während im OECD-Durchschnitt etwa 57% der 15-Jährigen ein Hochschulstudium anstreben, sind dies in Deutschland nur 21% (Tabelle A4.1). Jugendliche aus Arbeiterfamilien äußern diese Erwartungen dabei in deutlich geringerem Maße als Jugendliche aus besser gestellten Familien.
Die Bildungserwartungen von Jugendlichen mit Migrationshintergrund sind dagegen deutlich höher als die von Jugendlichen ohne Migrationshintergrund. Dies wird besonders deutlich, wenn man Gruppen mit vergleichbarer Mathematikkompetenz und ähnlichem sozioökonomischen Hintergrund betrachtet (Tabelle A4.4).Ted
18 Mar 2009, 06:01 - Report
Well-paid teachers, no desks
Unterdurchschnittliche Ausgaben pro Schüler im Primar- und Sekundarbereich I, verbunden mit deutlich überdurchschnittlichen Lehrergehältern werden in Deutschland durch hohe Schüler/Lehrer-Quoten und deutlich weniger Unterrichtszeit in den ersten Schuljahren sowie vergleichsweise geringere Ausgaben für Sachaufwendungen kompensiert.
Die vorgesehene jährliche Unterrichtszeit für einen 7- bis 8-jährigen Schüler liegt in Deutschland bei nur 627 Stunden,
und damit um 166 Stunden unter dem OECD-Mittel von 793 Stunden (Tabelle D1.1). Diese Diskrepanz wird in späteren Schuljahren geringer, es bleibt aber auch bei Schülern im Alter von 15 Jahren noch eine Differenz von jährlich 71 Zeitstunden.Ted
18 Mar 2009, 06:05 - Report
Alex
you know the study that showed 40% of germans hating brazil,but,say it to me: do you know why germans hate brazil? why all others countries had a positive vision of brazil,and only turkey and germany had a negative vision?Proud Brazilian
18 Mar 2009, 06:09 - Report
More deep thinkers planned
This year's OECD study demonstrates that individuals with better qualifications are less likely to be unemployed than those with poorer qualifications. In Germany, a university education provides better protection against unemployment than in other industrialised nations. The percentage of the population completing higher education in Germany, however, remains below the OECD average. Germany has in fact fallen back from 10th to 22nd place in the international ranking list. In autumn the German government will be launching a national training campaign. The aim is to have 40 percent of any year-group enter higher education, explained Federal Minister of Education, Annette Schavan, at the presentation of the OECD Study, "Education at a Glance 2007".Ted
18 Mar 2009, 06:10 - Report
Liberal arts...
"If one had to identify one thing that separates American higher education most definitively from the European, it is that liberal education is distinguished by its non-professional, non-vocational orientation. Europe and other countries have nothing like this in their prevailing systems of higher education. In Europe, for example, students who graduate from the academic high schools or secondary schools (gymnasia) must declare a profession or field they intend to specialize in when they apply to institutions of higher education. Higher education in these countries is therefore much more like our professional schools than our four-year colleges and universities. In Europe and elsewhere, the introduction of an intermediate level between high school and the professional degree in law, medicine, business, or public administration is new—even revolutionary."Ted
18 Mar 2009, 06:26 - Report
Democracy, critical thinking...
"Introducing liberal education requires the introduction of notions of tolerance, critical thinking, and the ability to understand different points of view. Jonathan Becker, Dean of International Studies at Bard College, emphasizes how Bard’s interest in the democratization of other countries and their system of higher education is connected with the application of critical thinking to a wide range of disciplines and types of problems and issues. Dale Eickelman, a professor of anthropology and humans relations at Dartmouth College, who is involved with Dartmouth’s close partnership with American University of Kuwait, thinks introducing the concept of critical thinking is probably the best way of introducing countries like Kuwait to the ideal of American liberal education. He says (in the IHE article by Redden) that critical thinking is a more universal concept and one that is more readily understandable by other cultures than “liberal arts,” which is a “culture-bound term.”Ted
18 Mar 2009, 06:29 - Report
@ted
Well you seem knowledgeable and I admire your conviction about the American system, I do think both systems, the American and the European (as many others as well) seem to work. Good scientists are produced on either side of the Atlantic. WW2 is certainly a sensitive subject, which needed many decades to be objectively discussed by Germans.
Maybe I used the wrong term, is "in depth discussion" a technical term only used for discussions among people with a higher University degree? If that's the case I must apologize, that's certainly not what I meant. That is obviously something you can find at almost every University in the world. I was referring to coffee break discussions among people without specialization in that specific subject.
My very subjective impression in Britain (where I've been living for over two years now) but other places as well. People discuss matters of their own profession and pop culture, but very few young people seem to read the newspapers and discuss, whatever (social problems, environmental issues, politics, historic questions...). Nothing against the British, I love them for other reasons. That's just my impression of that matter.Expat
18 Mar 2009, 06:50 - Report
Proud Brazilian
We have a lot of brazilian football-players here in Turkey.
Our media always shows Brazil in a very positive way.
Nobody hates you.I do not know where you get your information from.
I got the impression that you are only trying to provoke.
You are NOT brazilian.I am very sure about that.
You just fake.guy from Ankara
18 Mar 2009, 08:04 - Report
@ Ted
@ Ted, what's your problem ? Why do you write so many posts only because Expat said he misses "deep conversations" in Germany ? He just expressed his own opinion and feelings. I had deep discussions with people from many countries. But I think Expat's comment was no reason to start posts saying how bad the German education system is.
@ guy from Ankara: Good luck for you exam. Which subject do you study ? I've also not been the most hard working student. I hope you will be lucky so that exactly the things that you have studied well will be on the exam. I think you can do well because you seem like an intelligent person.
@ proud Brazilian: In this study the British research institute only asked people around the world if they had a postive or negative view about certain countries. But they didn't ask for the reasons, right ? I noticed in this study it said that many German and also Turkish people had a sceptical opinion about other countries.
My personal theory is this: Sometimes Germany and also Turkey get some unfair and negative press abroad. So some people might get sad and disappointed. Maybe that makes sceptical.
Personally I don't know any Germans who hate Brazil. Many Germans like drinking caipirinha or doing capoeira and they also see Brazil as a growing economy. I guess the Germans who said they don't like Brazil said so because of the big difference between the rich and poor or the violence that is sometimes shown on tv. Sometimes movies like "cidade deus" show only the negative aspects of Brazil. Don't you think so ?
But those Germans who think negative about Brazil should know that many Brazilians are giving money to charity in order to help the poor people. And those critical Germans could also do more in order to help poor people. I don't agree to those people who think negative about Brazil. Please don't think that Germans hate Brazil. Those 40% of German people who said they don't like Brazil probably also don't like Germany or anything in the world.
@ Israel: There are some interracial couples in Germany. Unfortunately there are still racists in Germany but they are not the majority. My girlfriend is also from another religion and ethnic background and our family and friends all support us. Her family accepts me and my family accepts her. I hope some day Martin Luther king's dream will come true that all people will be judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin or their ethnicity or nationality.Alex
18 Mar 2009, 09:20 - Report
ALEX
brazil is a bananan country you have to admit this xDsssssssss
18 Mar 2009, 09:53 - Report
sssssss,guy from ankara and alex
banana country is your ass, m...!
are you a illiterate or something like that?use google to search data about brazil,and stop to talk bullshit! brazil is one of the great economies in the world.
guy from ankara,i am brazilian. i dont need to lie here.i think that you turks hate brazil to pleasure your germans bosses.
alex,i think the germans that hate brazil dislike our vision about race relations, because in brazil almost everybody are mixed race,and it make hitler cry in his tombProud Brazilian
18 Mar 2009, 10:47 - Report
alex
é verdade que filmes como cidade de deus passam uma imagem negativa a respeito do brasil.eu concordo.mas esses filmes são feitos porque a classe média brasileira adora ver a vida dos miseráveis na tela.eles são para nós brasileiros o que os criolos americanos são para os filmes americanos,ou o que os indios são para karl may e vocês alemães em geral.
i will traslate to you what i write above in portuguese:
it is true that movies like "cidade de deus" show a negative vision about brazil.i agree.
but this movies are made because the brazilian middle class loves to see the miserables lifes in the screen. they are for us brazilians what the getto niggers are to american movies,or what the indians are to karl may and you germansProud Brazilian
18 Mar 2009, 10:58 - Report
@ proud Brazilian
Germans are not the bosses of Turkey. Maybe the Argentinians are your bosses. But in Europe people treat each other as equal partners.
I believe your theory that the Germans who dislike Brazil do so because of good race relations isn't true. To me my theory seems to make more sense. How come that you know about karl May ? Do you know a lot about Germany ? I guess the directors who make movies like cidade deus also try to create more social awareness in Brazil. It's good but if the movies are shown abroad they give people a wrong impression about Brazil.Alex
18 Mar 2009, 11:23 - Report
alex
we are the bosses of argentinias.argentina is nothing more than a brazilian backyard. argentinianas are starving and they are coming to brazil in large numbers,seach for food and jobs in brazil.argentina is for us what turkey is for germany.
hitler in main kampf talked about the shame that race mixing was for him,and you germans ,it is my opinion ,still have those word of your damned fuher inside yours brains.i feel sorry for you ,but the past dont go away too easy like you want.
these fims like "cidade de deus", "carandiru"and other were made to brazilian public ,but some of these movies finish abroad,where,like you said,show a negative point of view about brazil.many foreigner dont understand that these movies are to brazilians audiences ,and some of these foreingners think that brazil is only poverty and violence after watch a movie like that.
i know that you germans are obsessed about karl may. your fuher had the complete coletions of karl may books.germany is the most estrange country in the world. i am sorry,but for the rest of world ,you germans look very freak.karl my is a exemple of the german mind.
did you read karl my? didthey yet edit his books in germany?it is very sad.Proud Brazilian
18 Mar 2009, 11:43 - Report
@ proud Brazilian
I have read one book by Karl May and it was like a Wild West Story. I don't think that it had any racist messages. The Indians are shown as nicer people than the European settlers. But the book was a bit lengthy and I didn't finish it.
Why do you research so much about Germany, what kind of books hitler liked etc ? How do you want to know what I have in my head ? You have to understand that people in a country are not all the same !!
In Germany there was a "students revolution" in the 60s and the generation of my parents rebelled against the old racist ways of thinking. This and of course the reeducation done by the Allies helped to erase the poison of the nazi idiology out of peoples minds.
Also you seem to be so proud of Brazil and you look down on Germany and Argentina. So in a way you think like ignorant people here in Germany. You cannot decide what people in the world should think about Germans and I don't think you have asked anybody in the world.
I could lower myself to your level and start writing insults about Brazil but I won't do that. Did you just enter this forum because you wanted to insult Germans ? I guess in other forums people would just tell you to f*** off and only Germans always try to justify themselves for being alive.
If all Brazilians that I have met were like you I'd also not like Brazil. This has nothing to do with your ethnicity but with your way of thinking, generalizing and talking bad about other countries !! I dislike every ignorant person no matter if he is asian, black or european.
Why do you insult other countries ? Do you suffer from some inferiority complex and you want to built your lowe self esteem by looking down on others ?Alex
19 Mar 2009, 12:22 - Report
Alex
i think that you are at one step to join to npd or the secret new ss.you insulted me and now you act like you were the victim. it is tipically german:you are the bully but act like victim.today many revisionists talk about dressden and "german holocaust",and they talk too that no jew was killed in germany,etc...but everybody know that you are not victims!
if germany is a good democratic country like you said,why dont you forbid ndp and all neo-nazi groups? why do you let ndp grow more and more in each election?it is very strange...
you germans lost every war that you fought in xx century,you lost almost 20% of the population in these wars ,but you yet let ndp to make propaganda of these ideologies that baned your country.
you ask why i research too much about germany. i research about all countries in the world,and i like to read writes ,scientists and philosophers of all countries. do you think that only in germany people like to read classical books and history?in brazil we like too.
i say to you that if all germans are like you,disguised nazis, i will never like germany in my life.Proud Brazilian
19 Mar 2009, 12:55 - Report
@ proud brazilian
where did I insult you ? give an example how i have insulted you. you wrote that i had evil thoughts in my brains only because i happen to be german... so you were the one who started the insults !! how would you feel if i said you had evil thoughts in ur mind cause u r brazilian ? would u not get angry ?
I only said that i hate ignorant people who think everybody who comes from a certain country or group is evil. i don't care if you like germany or not. i can live a good life even if you stay in brazil feeling proud and disliking germans.
to me it's useless to discuss with prejudist people like you. You ignore all the arguments that i write anyway.
i think you have some sort of complex and if you talk bad about germans or argentines you feel better. Whatever... For me the discussion with you is over.
Maybe you will have more fun with people like sssssssssssss who say that brazil is a banana state. byeAlex
19 Mar 2009, 01:17 - Report
Alex nazi
bye,nazi.go to npd meeting.but dont forget that israel has nuclear weapons today.the IV reich,if you get it,will be the last reich of germany, in the flames of nuclear explosions.
brazil is not a banana state,nazi,but germany is a gas state(ziclon b).
stay in your hell-country.it is what people like you deserves.i will stay with my beautiful and beloved and arising brazil,and you with your damned,hated and decadent germany.Proud Brazilian
19 Mar 2009, 01:33 - Report
@ proud brazilian
you act like an angry kid. bye, stupid prejudist.... there will never be a 4th reich in germany.
whether you like it or not germany is a tolerant multi-religious society today with a high standard of living and good future.
the same study that you talked about said that germany was one of the countries with the best image in the world. does this anger you a lot ? are you very jeallous ?
your brazil will stay "araising" for the next 100 years I hope the Americans or Argentines will be your bosses. heheheAlex
19 Mar 2009, 01:42 - Report
alex nazi
argentina and usa will never be our bosses,but jews already are yours.you were a russian-american colony for 50 years.since roman empire times that germans are slaves.first,roman slaves,after french slaves(napoleon),russian and american slaves in xx century,and now and forever,israel slaves.
shut up,nazi.say that your country is garbage,and go to sleep!Proud Brazilian
19 Mar 2009, 02:12 - Report
@ proud brazilian are you paula oliveira ?
most parts of germany were not conquered by the romans unlike other countries of europe. napoleon had only occupied germany for a few years but he also occupied spain, italy and many other places.
maybe u wish you had a german slave because you cannot work for urself but it will never happen. also don't forget the history of slavery in brazil. I have seen on tv that on some farms in the northeast of brazil forms of slavery even exist today !! are you proud of that ?
americans and russians treated germany well in the last years and i have good friends from both countries.
one question... is your name maybe paula oliveira ? are you so frustrated that your fraud in switzerland had been discovered ?Alex
19 Mar 2009, 02:21 - Report
Alex,the nazi woman
my name is pedro ramos,piece of shit.and paula oliveira did not make fraud. she was really attacked by neo nazis.brazilian government almost declared war against swiss.in brazil,people hates nazis and racists. if you want see a brazilian angry,show him a racist.
brazil has 200.000.000 millions of habitants,but paula was defended.
i guess you are a woman.is alex a male or female name in germany? i think you are a woman. but women in brazil dont talk like you.here women are more submissive.Proud Brazilian
19 Mar 2009, 02:38 - Report
alex,nazi woman
and slavery in brazil is over since 1889.in brazil ,slaves only existed during 300 years.but germans were slaves in roman empire during more than 700 years.
today there is no slave in brazil! that thing you watched in tv is pure bullshitProud Brazilian
19 Mar 2009, 03:08 - Report
@ proud brazilian aka paula
you told me that you are reading news and international newspapers. so research more about paula oliveira. she made it up and caused the injuries to herself. she has admitted it to the police now !
it's good for you that brazil didn't declare war against switzerland because you would have lost after one day.
also i have read that there has some time ago been a brutal racist attack on an indian man in brasilia. he was set on fire. did you not hear about that ? evil people exist not only in germany.
if you are really a brazilian guy i understand why so many brazilian women want to marry german or other european guys.Alex
19 Mar 2009, 03:11 - Report
@ proud brazilian
Slavery in brazil was abolished by law in 1889 but the report says it still exists nowadays illegally on some farms in the northeast. the people who were interviewed said that they had been treated like slaves.Alex
19 Mar 2009, 03:16 - Report
alex,nazi woman
swiss police tortured her and forced her to say that she did these hurts in herself.
are you searching the internet to find news about brazil?or are you a brazilian traitor of german ancestry?how do you know about the indian case?
well,switzerland would defeat us in one day...or not.war only are decided in battlefield.swiss has less population than some brazilian cities(são paulo has 15.000.000 habitants)and swiss economy are small than the economy of one brazilian region.but swiss terrain is full of mountains.the war against them was very dificult,of course.we could expropiate all swiss properties in brazil,and we might do that very soon...
and your german tv is telling lies to you! there is no slave in brazil nowadays.
but,tell me: are you woman or man! you think like women think.Proud Brazilian
19 Mar 2009, 03:29 - Report
@ proud brazilian
in switzerland there is no totrure in police stations. maybe it exists in some police stations in brazil ? even brazilian news magazines wrote that paula oliveira made the attack up.
i know about the case of the indian who was murdered by racists in brasilia from a brazilian friend who is honest and who does not hide the problems of brazil. i also don't hide germany's problems. besides that the indian case was on the news in europe and a lot of europeans know about it.
the tv report wasn't done by a german team. the interviwed people where farm workers from the brazilian northeast and they said they had been treated as slaves.Alex
19 Mar 2009, 03:39 - Report
alex nazi
and only the ugliest brazilian womans date or marry german men. germans only take the scum of brazilian womans. the most beautiful brazilian women only marry brazilians, puke at the sight of a german men.
i know that germany has almost only ugly females.a ugly brazilian is beautiful in germany.
and a lot of german women tourists come to brazil to have sex with brazilian mulatos.german women are all crazy whores,that have sex in the streets of rio de janeiro like it was normal.Proud Brazilian
19 Mar 2009, 03:39 - Report
alex nazi
all the thugs involved in the indian murder were in jail now,and the crime was not a racial crime,since the men involved are all mixed race like all brazilians.there are no racial crime in brazil.hera there are a lot of crimes,but no racial crime.
how do you know there are no torture in switzerland?in germany people were tortured during thrid reich.how are you sure that there are no torture in switzerland? and why did paula lie?why did she say that nazis attack her,and after say that she hurt herself? it dont make sense.
this tv show,whatever the country that made it,is a f. lie. i already said that no slave exist in brazil today.it could be a sensacionalist tv,wanting make some money telling lies to euro-foolsProud Brazilian
19 Mar 2009, 03:53 - Report
@ brazilian fool
so someone who is mixed race cannot be racist against indian people ? some brazilians have just italian or portuguese ancestors and they are of european caucasian "race" like germans. I once talked to a Brazilian mulato and he said it's a myth that there is no racism in Brazil. For example he said he might have less chances to get a scholarship than someone who looks more "european".
switzerland is a stable democracy with a stable justice system and corruption in this country is very low.
I don't know why Paula Oliveira lied... she also said that she has been pregant but in the hospital the doctors found out that she had never been pregant. So this is another prove that she lied. Maybe she hoped that she could get money this way or it was a cry for attention to her family.
The tv report also showed the conditions under which the farm workers had to live and they were extremly bad. Alex
19 Mar 2009, 04:27 - Report
alex nazi
stop to lie.in brazil we already had a lot of mulato presidents.we are proud that our race is brazilian.you are not brazilian,and you dont understand what it mean,but we are very proud to say that our race is brazilian,what is indian,negro and white mixed.three races died to give born to one new race.do you understand that?since early year of life,brazilian children learn it in schools.
about paula,i think that swiss killed her babys to put guilt on her.Proud Brazilian
19 Mar 2009, 04:39 - Report
Germany Is A Miserable Place to Live
For the guy who stated that American Sucks, I wonder if he has ever been there, or is just another bitter German. Lets see, Germany you can not open a business without being taxed into oblivion, go to the college you want or even pay your phone bill online. The Government controls your life and everyone is miserable. I live here and hate it and my family is originally from here. America is the best country on Earth, those cowboys you speak of had a sense of adventure and the tenacity to tame an area five times the size of Germany (Yes, Germany is not bigger than the state of Oregon!)
I just told my little daughter that she won the lottery of the world being born an American Citizen, there are only 300M people who can say that. We have true freedom and if one can come up with an idea, they can make their dreams come true, you know Microsoft, The Internet, sending a man to the moon, little things like that.
Any German, you should be thankful, after destroying the evil that you unleashed on the world, we turned around took your country and rebuilt it for you making you the economic power of Europe, that is what American is all about, you are welcome.Wayne Victor
19 Mar 2009, 10:00 - Report
wayne victor
i have no problem with your dislike of germany, and yes germany is a tiny little country, but contrary to your claim anyone holding a baccalaureat gets to choose their uni, there are ways to get around zvs mind you. most germans arent ungratefull at all that the americans helped free us from the nazi dictatorship. but still it was us who rebuild germany, not you. i am aware that we received money from the us back then, but firstly i figure the americans only invest if they get the benefit and secondly the germans payed shitloads to most of europe anyways too, big deal. this also means that healthy criticism of the bush government shouldnt be explained away as ungratefull or even anti american germans!rulaman
19 Mar 2009, 10:24 - Report
Alex the censor
My posts show that if anything Germans are much more likely to have vocational training than the general tertiary education needed for "deep conversations". So it is German arrogance to imagine that they are an "deep" country compared with others. In fact, this ("Kultur" is one of their great racist, historical claims to "superiority" over the "capitalist" West and (later the Slavs) the propaganda basis for World War One. There is at least one post-graduate course in the US devoted to this topic. It centres around a 1916 book by Thomas Mann "Reflections of an Unpolitical Man" (I think only available in German), which the author tried to prevent being republished in the 1920s, read it and you can see why). Perhaps like many Germans, you don't understand this aspect of the history of Germany and should read this book. Some things remain the same in Germany.Ted
19 Mar 2009, 11:20 - Report
@ Ted
I don't think that Germans are more educated or "deeper" than people in other countries. I have had deep conversations with educated people from many different countries. An American with a college degree might have a bigger general education than many Germans. I also dislike it when some Germans think they are smarter than other.
But then.... those people exist everywhere. The best example is this forum. There are many people here arguing that their country is better.
I'm in favor of free speech (an American value) and I don't want to censor anybody. You have the right to express your opinion and I have the right to reply to you and tell you my point of view. I think you overreacted when Expat expressed his personal feeling and you saw it as an attack on the American education system. Maybe you have met many arrogant Germans and now you think all are the same.Alex
19 Mar 2009, 01:30 - Report
@Alex
Thank you for describing me as intelligent.
I study what you call BWL in Germany.
In turkish it is called IŞLETME.
@Proud Brazilian
I say it again.Nobody over here hates your country.But maybe I should start doing it after reading your posts.
You need a doctor,fella.guy from Ankara
19 Mar 2009, 04:47 - Report
Brazilian chimp
if someday Brazil become a great power in the world,and germany become a slave country of brazil,i will suicide. a world controlled by chimps would be a nightmare.it would be like the "planet of the apes"movies!88
19 Mar 2009, 06:17 - Report
@Ted and Alex
I'm actually really sorry to have provoked this discussion. I never said that we are more educated or better thinkers. My only personal impression is that people tend to discuss "deeper" subjects more often. Of course that is a horrible generalization and I have also met a lot of people in other countries who are just the same. And yes, my impression is probably very much biased, since I judge based on the people that surround me and not on statistics. I wouldn't know were to find statistics, which compare the main subject of discussions in coffee breaks between countries.
I believe that Germany still has quite a hierarchical system. Students get divided at age +-ten into "intellectual" groups, which are in effect social groups. If I have one critic about the German education system; it is elitist. I believe actually that students at the Gymnasium get a good basic knowledge, which doesn't need to hide behind other nations. The problem is that the majority of students finish school early and don't get such a broad educational background.Expat
19 Mar 2009, 06:27 - Report
guy from ankara and 88
guy from ankara, i dont care.you turks hate brazil to pleasure germans.
88, f. nazi monster! chimp are you,m.!you are a proof that germany is full of racists and nazis! do you think that i dont know what "88" means? damn nazi! go to hell!Proud Brazilian
19 Mar 2009, 08:58 - Report
ted
hey you, i wouldnt want to say that germans are more educated or deeper than americans, believe me we are all children of the western society, but nevertheless my brother visited the us on a high school exchange program, or whatever, and he certainly had an easy time compared to our school, which by the way didnt have such high standards for a german gymnasium (highschool) and then it even ended one year prematurely, dont get me wrong, he definitely liked the stay, but he also criticised that the us society was kind of brainwashed into believing the us is the one and all (pledge to the flag, and what not), this actually happens to lots of people who never leave home, they simply display a lack of experience, thinking their home is the best...Rulaman
19 Mar 2009, 10:42 - Report
Rulaman
who are you talking to? I am not comparing high school education systems. I am talking about a liberal arts (BA) university education. That would compare germans and english speakers of age 22 at least. You especially learn critical thinking in such a bachelor degree. My experience with educated germans is that they often have a qualification say as a doctor or a psychologist but no wider analytical education. I think germans like this tend to rely much more on weekend newspapers for their knowledge.ted
20 Mar 2009, 11:22 - Report
argentina
Im from argentina and some germans are super mega racist,xenophobic,nazi people.Just watch in the uk forum how a german discriminate argentina.
Wtf its your problem???stop pretending that your are nice people,your not!!!angie
20 Mar 2009, 12:31 - Report
yes germans suck
Great to see many people hating germans as much as I do.
Yes @ 88 you are a typical german nazi asshole.
Your Fuhrer is dead you stupid idiot.wheel
20 Mar 2009, 01:37 - Report
argentina
ignore germans.they are nothing.
um beijo na boca,doce argentina!Proud Brazilian
20 Mar 2009, 10:39 - Report
German shit!
I can t get enough of this! Reading other peoples's opinions about Germany....BROTHERS, I LOVE YOU!! You speak the truth! Germany is ugly, and there are a lot og ugly people there! If you can avoid going there, do!! It's horrible, and being born there is a curse! Trying to get rid of it has taken me the greater part of 30 years now, and still no end in sight! I HATE GERMANY!Lucinda Blackletter
21 Mar 2009, 10:43 - Report
world-wide survey
http://tinkerthethi...02/world-poll-20092.jpg
http://www.finfacts.ie/qualityoflife.htm the happy german
21 Mar 2009, 04:02 - Report
@the happy german
Bravo happy german.
I am a lucky german, tooIhr Deutschenhasser könnt mich mal kreuzweise
21 Mar 2009, 09:58 - Report
@Proud Brazilian
You told us what a bad country Germany is.
But Germany is good enough to pay development aid to Brazil every year? Of course, not many, but Germany is the second biggest payer after Japan for Brazil. Last year round about 50 Million Euro. Between 1950 and now more than 2 Billion Euro.
It seems, that Germany isn't the world-enemy number one anymore. Today, Germany is the world-social-welfare-office number one.the happy german |
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happy trash ,liar
it is a lie,and if it would be true,what are 50 millions euro in a country like brazil,that has 2 trillions dollars gnp?put your dirty money that came maybe from nazi gold stolen from killed jews by german companies.brazil help haiti(where we have 1200 soldiers),angola,moçambique,bolivia and many poor coutries in the world.show the link that proof that brazil receive one cent of german money!brasileiro
22 Mar 2009, 01:09 - Report
happy nazi
it brazil receive this 50 millions euros(only the military expenditure in brazil was 27 billions dollar in 2009) it is a shame for us,brazilians.50 millions euros is less than the expenditures with the make of some brazilian tv novels!keep your dirty money to israel,because that country will be your creditor forever.brasileiro
22 Mar 2009, 01:16 - Report
brasileiro
Well, Germany paid to Israel and jewish organisations round about 270 Billion Euro.
If you want to have a factual discussion with me, please stop your infantile verbal slander.the happy german
22 Mar 2009, 10:48 - Report
link
http://www.bmz.de/e...alien/Materialie184.pdf the happy german
22 Mar 2009, 12:59 - Report
still a depressing discussion on a very very low level
Brazil@ The mentality is totally different, but I think that most germans like Brazil, they consider it as an example of easy life style, beach and dance culture. Yes this is a very small view ...
But don´t praise your country only ... don´t deny the corruption, the abjective poverty in some slums and rural areas, the drug- wars, the discrimination of native indians and the power of the landowners
Americans@
Yes deep philosophical discussions about life, social models, religion or like that face many walls in germany, beause there are many taboos (religious issues like the conception of a law from god, the role of man and women in a society, conspirations, zionism and others).
If you break such taboos, you´re considered an outsider, while they consider themselves open- minded. Yes it sometimes hurts!
But don´t tell me that the american people in general are deep thinkers. Everyone who lived in america like the friendy, polite people there, the optimism and that you can deal with them in an easy way, but is surprised by the ignorance of many people in america. They only know the surface, if you talk about capitalism, socialism, the history of the european colonialism, the land occupation of the native indians and so on.
SO don´t blame others if you aren´t a lightening example too!!!
Many comments in this forum can´t convince me of the opposite
I had the deepest and most open discussion in syria, sometimes even a man who can´t read and write can talk with you about many interesting things. Much less taboos there ... In a coutry that is considered as depressed by dictatorship, an enemy of the free world and what tells us the western propaganda more ...TypicalGerman
22 Mar 2009, 10:47 - Report
typicalgerman
did you already travel to syria? are you arab?or do you speak arab?
did you have business in syria?thomas maan
23 Mar 2009, 12:06 - Report
some other opinions
http://de.answers.y...d=20070504142549AAslVTf
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/680955
http://oregonabroad...ermany/bw/comments.html the happy german
23 Mar 2009, 08:21 - Report
Syria
For privat reasons - yes im speaking arabTypicalGerman
24 Mar 2009, 12:36 - Report
Ignorance of Instructor
My husband and I have been here for almost 2 months and we moved here for his job. We love Germany. I visited him last year while he was here for work for three months and we couldn't get enough of this place, the history, the beautiful scenery, the food (both german and turkish) and then the offer came for the transfer and we were thrilled.
I felt the same way until recently. I am taking a German language class right now and on two difference instances I've been offended and insulted by comments made by my instructor. The first comment was "All killers and murders come from America". This was brought up during a discussion about the shooting in Winneden. I was confused and asked her to repeat herself (I thought maybe she got her English twisted), nope, she repeated the same comment. I said, no, this isn't true that America does have murders and killers just like all countries but "killers & murders" don't come from America. America is built up many nationalities from various countries. I would never come here and say such a thing so opening like there isn't anything wrong with this. Horrible.
Then, today...apparently all America's are fat. I have a problem with the "all" Americans are fat. This just isn't true at all. Yes, we do have overweight people, we have medium people, and we have slim people. We do have fast food but we also have Whole Foods and people who attend Gyms and work out daily. We come from Chicago where at a number of times throughout the day you will always see people running, down the street, by the lake, eating at healthy fast food places. Do we have McDonalds, Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, of course...but we also have Pockets, Salad Spinners, and even better, Whole Foods ( inside the grocery store you can eat from the healthy hot buffet and salad bar".
Seriously, why can't we stop the stereotypes? I friends from various countries that lived in Chicago and never once would I stereotype their country and their people or themselves personally.
Can we stop the ignorance? It is possible.Veronica
25 Mar 2009, 06:40 - Report
Veronica
you stay in germany only two months.stay two months more,and you will hate germany too ,like everybody does.your instructor and the person that called all americans fat are only the beginnig.
i bet you will hate germany very soon,my poor friend.german people is the worst people in the face of earth.they didnt follow hitler in vain.germans are disgusting
25 Mar 2009, 07:41 - Report
alemanha,jamais
a alemanha é o pior pais do mundo,com certeza.eu jamais quero por meus pés na alemanha,só pelo que eu ouço falar da discriminação e do racismo contra extrangeiros,perdi qualquer vontade de um dia pisar na alemanha. alemanha,esqueção,eu tô fora!jana
26 Mar 2009, 04:51 - Report
veronica
If you are going to classes at a goethe-institute that is the sort of behaviour you can expect from teachers. I learnt at a foreign goethe-institute for a while and had the same experience of paranoia in relation to the non-german host culture. Some of it is becasue language teachers in general are not very bright or educated, but also germans are selling their culture when they teach german much more than english teachers are selling theirs. I think some germans realise they don't have much to sell after a while other than that they are not guilty for the war, which is a basic premise of german culture at the moment. The usual way for many germans to express that is to find as many bad things as possible about other countries. In particular, their great role model that they have a subordinate love-hate relationsnhip woth - america - only has a negative influence on the world (I think surveys regularly show about 3/4 of germans think that). Who knows what germans would be like if they could drag themselves out of their guilty hole, I have met some. But mostly germans think life is about either winning or losing, and they think everyone else does as well.the laughing foreigner
26 Mar 2009, 07:12 - Report
@ Veronica
I'm really sorry that you have such an ignorant instructor in your language class. If I were you'd stop going to the class and ask to get my money back and say that she said insults to you because of your nationality.
If she had said things like that to someone from Afghanistan for example she would get fired but to generalize about Americans seems ok to some people. In my opinion it's a double standard. Stereotypes are always bad also if they are directed against Americans or Germans.
I have lived in the US and I know that many Americans are very educated and polite people and that you have beautiful cities with a lot of museums and culture and also good food.
I wonder how the instructor had could use school shooting in Winenden as an argument that Americans were "bad". The tragedy in Winenden showed that Germany has the same problems with school shootings.
I also wish that some day we can live in a world without stereotypes and prejudices. But reading this forum makes it seem like that day is still far away. Like there is this Brazilian troll who writes hateful things under various names.fight ignorance !
27 Mar 2009, 09:38 - Report
austalian in germany
I have nothing to add to any of these arguements about any countries, good or bad points. I am australian. I recently travelled with a young german lady who came to holiday here for a year. We travelled together for approx 6months. She has now gone home (germany) and we talk every couple of days or so and chat. I have become very attracted to her and would follow her anywhere. I am asking for honest advice on what would be the best way to go about this and would it be easy for me to find a job if we were together in germany or switzerland? I have no Trade. Please e-mail to les960mit@hotmail.com only if you can provide me with honest advice please.les
29 Mar 2009, 09:28 - Report
funny
It´s funny that an Isreali is calling Germans nazis, without thinking about the fact that the new Israel government is extremely right and some of them want to bannish Arabian.
And it´s also funny that some guys here are menacing Germans with their nukes... It´s dispensable to go down on this low level...g
31 Mar 2009, 01:48 - Report
sad
It´s very sad that much guys in this world are knowing the Germans only as cold, people- killing nazis. Why they are forgetting for example that Preußen (Prussia) was one of the most forward-looking countries? Fridrich II, king of Prussia, said once:
"In meinem Land kann jeder nach seiner Fasson selig werden"
"In my country it´s everyone allowed to become blessedly after his form"
This was much more democtratic than in any other country around the earth.Hallo
31 Mar 2009, 01:55 - Report
@g
You know nothing about Israel.
Shut up Nazi-son.wow
31 Mar 2009, 04:06 - Report
@g
You nazi-germans killed millions of my ancestors.wow
31 Mar 2009, 04:09 - Report
@g
Arabs are assholes.I like other muslim countries but not the arabian ones.wow
31 Mar 2009, 04:11 - Report
ah ja...
Ich kam hierher, um nach einer Möglichkeit für einen Job für meinen Freund zu suchen.
Solche Dinge zu lesen, hauen einen ja vollkommen um. Schreibt der Urheber hier noch?
Vielen Dank für all die Vorurteile!
Aktuell: Ein jedes Land hat schwarze Flecken in seiner Vergangenheit. Ein jedes!
Ich würde nicht gehen, und andere mit Vorurteilen beschimpfen.
Oder in Eurer Sprache:
I cannot eat as much as i want to vomit here.
Thanks.so-called-Nazi
31 Mar 2009, 04:25 - Report
ah yes..and...feel free to stay where you are
oh yes...and thanks for all the warnings written in here.
You should really take them serious...really, really.
If ever you have the feel, you don't want to be in Germany, then PLEASE feel free to stay home.
Actually, we don't want to burden you with our presence. God beware. We just want to live - just like you...usually in Peace...
Oh...and....it's 2009! Welcome in: 60 years AFTER wartime.
Thanks.so-called-Nazi
31 Mar 2009, 04:39 - Report
germans and germany are disgusting
germans are fucking nazis,and try disguise it behind democratic and liberal masks.but you german,you deceive nobody! we all around the world know you are the same fucking nazis that lost second world war!GERMANS ARE GARBAGE
31 Mar 2009, 06:43 - Report
Apparently...
the only ones in disguise to find: those writing rubbish in here :Pso-called-Nazi
31 Mar 2009, 07:42 - Report
@ wow
"You nazi-germans killed millions of my ancestors."
I killed nobody. I was born in 1985, 40 years AFTER Worldwar 2.
BTW: My great-grandfather was killed in the concentration camp Buchenwald, because he was an active social democrat.the happy german
01 Apr 2009, 12:14 - Report
HAPPY GERMAN,F. LIAR
it is amazing! only six or seven germans rebeled against nazi party,and one of these six or seven was "happy german"grandfather!
stop the lies,dude.your grandfather was a ss,gestapo or something like that!i know that it is a shame for you,but say the true is better than tell beautifull lies.GERMANS ARE GARBAGE
01 Apr 2009, 01:33 - Report
GAG, you really want to know it?
Or is it just shouting in the woods, as loud as you can, to distract you from your obviously boring life? What makes you hate so much eh? Any serious arguments? Because this is silly and boring.
So, well knowing, this will bring up even more shouts: My grandfathers have been in war, sent out to leave their families, perhaps Nazis as you tell, perhaps just the food for the upper ones...actually the grandmothers didn't tell alot later on, except the grandpa from mothers side, who has been in russian prison for two years, the other one died from cancer soon after.
The towns here have been bombing down, grandma's families suffering from hunger for long times, reparations paid to the glorious winners up to the limits. Since i can think, we have been told never to repeat this again, we are the ones to blame for what our ancestors did, we are the ones to be shouted at. I am 41 years old and try to educate my son to be peaceful with others.
Does that make me a Nazi then? Yes?
Actually. In the area over here a lot of Turkish people run around. They are allowed to call us stinking because of having bacon for dinner in times, they are allowed to spit in front of our churches because they are bad. I ignore this, because it's the same behaviour that is to blame against us these days.
Does this make me a Nazi? Yes?
Surely it does, because it's my ancestors "being some".
So, how about you, GAG? Are you American? Are you proud about? Why are you allowed to be proud then? Are none of your ancestors of those who had runned Slaves and beat them to dead? Are you a family member of those to run over Iraq to destroy a country just because of the oil?
Can you give me arguments without just shouting around, GAG?
I'm curious. Out of your corner, instead of trolling around....so-called-Nazi
01 Apr 2009, 10:59 - Report
"they are bad" btw...
just to make up: this was meant to be "bad behaved in times" or if you wish "bad against us".so-called-Nazi
01 Apr 2009, 11:17 - Report
@ GERMANS ARE GARBAGE
You are so unbelievable unlettered, its really amazing.
I don't wrote, that my great-grandfather (not grandfather) was a rebell. He wasn't. He was just a normal member of the SPD (german social democrats party). And beeing a social democrat was enough no get killed by the nazis. Many of social democrats and communists were killed in the years of 1933-1945 (my great-grandfather was killed in 1937 in Buchenwald).
Ant there were a lot of resistance groups in Germany. Never heard about the "White Rose"?
"Kreisau Circle"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_rose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreisauer_Kreis
http://en.wikipedia.../wiki/German_resistance the happy german
01 Apr 2009, 11:45 - Report
SO CALLED NAZI
you germans deserves to be shouted around. to be shouted is nothing near the pain that you brought to russia,france,polone and gipsy and jewish people.you will be damned forever for what you did in second world war.stalin idea was become germany in a agrarian country.i think that it would be the best thing to do about you,but churchil and truman didnt agree.
you are complaining about turks.do you want to do against them the same you did against jews,gipsys,blacks and slaves?i see that you germans never change your mind!before,"jews are rats",and now, "a turk spit in my church"! you really never change...
in USA,people are more easy going,and have less prejudices againt others!you germans must to learn our lessons.GERMANS ARE GARBAGE
01 Apr 2009, 08:01 - Report
GAG
if it makes you happy, i give it up on here.
I have explained to a turkish citizen here what it was meant about in the afternoon, but it has been deleted. I won't put this on again.
So why argueing when people are not able and willing to make a difference? This is wasting time and energy, right.
I like good conversations in fact, and you won't believe, I'm able to laugh...alot... and with turkish friends too.
Misbehaviour should never be the way. Not here, nor there. But if one just wants to see, what he wants to see, then hands up on this. If this makes you a better person, then feel free...
Hope, this makes you happy.so-called-Nazi
01 Apr 2009, 09:31 - Report
so called nazi
you ,a german,can laugh?sorry,but your people is famous world wide for never laugh for nothing besides a jew or black falling dead.only slaughter and dead can make a german barbarian laugh for real!when you have nobody to slaughter,you became depressed and sad,and never smile.
for god sake,i will never go to germany in my life!GERMANS ARE GARBAGE
01 Apr 2009, 10:28 - Report
SO CALLED NAZI,THE REAL TYPICAL GERMAN DISGUISED NAZI
about blacks,usa president today is a black person!when a jew or a turk was german president or at least ministry?and we didnt try to kill blacks in gas chamber like you.iraq was a dictadorship.and iraq people live much better now than in saddan times.more hope and life level was what we brought for them. what did you to jews besides dead?
never try to compare USA,the place where modern democracy was born,and your f. shit hole germany,a country of crazy people and thieves! never dare again compare USA to your shit-country,disguised nazi!GERMANS ARE GARBAGE
01 Apr 2009, 10:40 - Report
GAG
*lol*
Actually. This is sweet. Talking about prejudice, you are pretty invited to come over and have a look.
Then we talk again so-called-Nazi
02 Apr 2009, 12:51 - Report
so,called nazi
have a look where,nazi? what are you talking about?GERMANS ARE GARBAGE
02 Apr 2009, 01:09 - Report
GAG
As far as i can see, it's you spreading hate here, but you never have been over to Germany, right?
So, be over to Germany, have a look around here, and then we talk again.
Simple.so-called-Nazi
02 Apr 2009, 07:49 - Report
so called nazi
yes.maybe i will do that.i agree that one must know something or someone better before to have a definitive opinion.all that i know about germany is what i read in web and in books.maybe i will go to germany next year,as a tourist,for two or three weeks.GERMANS ARE GARBAGE
02 Apr 2009, 09:13 - Report
Interesting turn then...
Look, i don't know what there is written in web and books over there, but i feel sad if it gives a picture like this.
Not everyone here is bad by design. Not everyone here is without fault neither. But the main of us try.
GAG, if you have the feel to really do so, then be welcome. And let me know if i can be of assist to find nice places to see.
(From my part i will end this nick now. It was born in an upset mood but it leads to false conclusions. I really don't feel like a Nazi. If others decide so, then i don't know...)so-called-Nazi
02 Apr 2009, 02:26 - Report
low-level debates..
here's one: after 2 generations living in germany, the german govt decided (2004) that turks could become citizens, although they had to give up their turkish passports. At about the same time a huge public debate was launched about "why turks are not integrated in german society, they don't speak german for example, oh dear those turks, what is wrong with them." But why should anyone "integrate" in a country where they only have a temporary visa? Can they vote? No. So they can't get politically organised. No other western country would seriously have a flawed public discussion like this. Of course the reason for this pathetic debate is not that germans or the german media are ignorant. Many germans and turks would happily say that the reason is that germans are racist, they don't want turks here. But the likely real reason is even more pathetic, straight of some billig-discountladen of the personality: envy. Look! those damn turks have passports just like us! That can't be right! Who do they think tbey are!the laughing foreigner
02 Apr 2009, 04:01 - Report
so-called-Nazi
My answer to your arguments were deleted,too.
I think the reason for it was that we wrote in german.
I am a bit angry about that,because I had written some nice things.Cem Dönmez
02 Apr 2009, 04:23 - Report
laughing foreigner
Do you think so? Really, i never had a thought about my neighbours having a german or turkish passport.
@Cem: Yes, i guess this is the reason. Actually i found one reply and tried to explain also that i live right here in a multicultural area, right at Ruhr, so that we really try to get along well.
What i try to point out is: it's a bit more complex than just thinking in black and white in the end, isn't it?s-c-N - Anja
02 Apr 2009, 04:31 - Report
@ GERMANS ARE GARBAGE
You wrote: "when a jew or a turk was german president or at least ministry?"
Our former chancellor, Helmut Schmidt, has jewish ancestors. Today, he is the most popular former politican in germany. So stop your lies about a country you don't know.the happy german
02 Apr 2009, 04:50 - Report
s-c-N-Anja
Yes indeed,it is more complex.Neither Germans,no Turks are all the same.
@the happy german
You forgot to mention the man,who has the same first name as me.CEM ÖZDEMIR
Someone asked you a question about politicians of turkish descent.Here we have one.
CEM ÖZDEMIR is the leader of the green-party.
By the way,I have a german passport.And the older I get,the more I recognize how german I am and that makes me feel even more german .I am nearly 32 now.As a Teenager I partly felt more turkish.But back then,I even did not have a german passport.Helmut Kohl was a nightmare concerning immigrants in Germany.Cem Dönmez
02 Apr 2009, 08:20 - Report
anja,happy german and cem donmez
cem donmez,take care.jews before second world war felt like germans,and you know what happened to them.
do you trust germans? do you think that this weimar republic will to last forever?do you think that the future of your children will be safe in a country of crazy racist like germany?
think about that.
happy german and anja,have you only these two examples to write here? USA already had and has many mighty blacks,latinos,japanese and other races in arts,politic,sports,etc.
had germany only these two men that were not ethinic germans?it is a shame for you,and show how racist is german society!nazi hater
02 Apr 2009, 08:43 - Report
s-c-N - Anja
"It's not me, I'm not guilty!" Your persilschein is in the mail. I assume the "integration debate" is too embarassing for you to discuss.the laughing foriegner
03 Apr 2009, 09:56 - Report
@Cem
Uh, you're right, I forgot him. But I have one more:
Philipp Rösler, secretary for economy in the federal state of Niedersachsen, and also vice prime minister. He has a vietnamese background.
http://de.wikipedia...iki/Philipp_R%C3%B6sler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cem_%C3%96zdemir
And you say the truth about Helmut Kohl; he was a nightmare for everyone in our country.the happy german
03 Apr 2009, 11:01 - Report
@ nazi hater
I will not discuss with a guy, who don't know our country, it is really senseless.the happy german
03 Apr 2009, 11:05 - Report
laughing foreigner
you'll have to wait a minute. I just sent a long reply which has directly gone to space. Aaand am working too. Pretty much today...
So please...scN Anja
03 Apr 2009, 12:26 - Report
laughing foreigner
First to start "It's not me, I'm not guilty!"
When and where did i say this, eh? Please don't put me words i haven't said.
What i have said is exactly this: it's a bit more complex than this, isn't it?
Talking about turkish people in Germany. We could fill books with that, but i can just give a few things because i have to care for work and son too. And i am no politician! I know that a turkish woman has been the first council administrator in my old home town. I have to admit though that Mr. Özdemir is the only politician so far i know in public. The integration debate to me is polarized, because "theory and praxis" drift apart alot. You talk about not being able to integrate and the same way it's the politics slowing you down. In my opinion it's the cat biting itself in this, isn't it?
When i gave those two points of incident it was to put up that things like these happen, but i WOULDN'T shout about it usually, nor was it a complaint against turkish people. The explanation and apologize to Cem has been deleted unfortunately. It is something that happens, but still people should work about being good with each other.
So, when i see turkish people over here i AM split, of course, because some of them behaving strange, especially against us women, so how could i not feel bad then in times? But it's of course not in general. And very sure also the other way round. I find it easier to talk to "integrated", but also often i have the feel that the interest in integration is not very high. (see abovementioned)
How comes, for example, that women very often still are kept at home? In school it brings up big problems, when children start writing and reading, because they are not used enough to german. Now here comes the 2nd class thinking in play: We need a good education for our children if we don't want to go down totally, and turkish people should be interested in this too.
As mentioned, the kindergarten-friend of my son was turkish, we had the fortune to be with his parents in time and even they tell me, that there are good and strange turkish people as here are good and bad german people.
A former neighbour was russian and sometimes telling me about her sorrows here to get along, another neighbour is italian and i could heart her all day, a good friend in the net is turkish and i like a good conversation in times. He would step here asking me: Anja, now WHAT have you started there? and then laugh about me. Certainly.
I AM living in a small world, trying to be good and am shocked when being shouted without a reason i could find. Because actually please: WHAT EXACTLY are you blaming ME for?
What really pisses me off in the meantime. I have stepped in here for finding job information for my friend to be here, reading discussions like these. No matter when they are serious, but here it's just bashing around....
I mean, i could easily complain about the older ones in our office too. Always trying to fool us a little, simply because they're longer there - even when we are more organized and a fresh knowledge should be a winning thing, too ...pretty discriminating in times, what do you guess?
Or those fast going drivers on the motorway here (Autobahn of course is forbidden...for reasons). Well they like hassling me around, just because i don't do as fast as they do.... shouldn't i feel discriminated then??
And hell...yes...the goddamn fucking so-called Nordic Walkers with their sticks...stuffing the way with two people...and then, expecting a single jogger to just jump away from them...
Now THAT is fucking racist, isn't it?
THAT. IS. NOT. MINE.
It's tiring. It doesn't make much sense. And going on like that you won't find me discussing here.
Sure.scN Anja
03 Apr 2009, 02:39 - Report
laughing foreigner
First to start "It's not me, I'm not guilty!"
When and where did i say this, eh? Please don't put me words i haven't said.
What i have said is exactly this: it's a bit more complex than this, isn't it?
Talking about turkish people in Germany. We could fill books with that, but i can just give a few things because i have to care for work and son too. And i am no politician! I know that a turkish woman has been the first council administrator in my old home town. I have to admit though that Mr. Özdemir is the only politician so far i know in public. The integration debate to me is polarized, because "theory and praxis" drift apart alot. You talk about not being able to integrate and the same way it's the politics slowing you down. In my opinion it's the cat biting itself in this, isn't it?
When i gave those two points of incident it was to put up that things like these happen, but i WOULDN'T shout about it usually, nor was it a complaint against turkish people. The explanation and apologize to Cem has been deleted unfortunately. It is something that happens, but still people should work about being good with each other.
So, when i see turkish people over here i AM split, of course, because some of them behaving strange, especially against us women, so how could i not feel bad then in times? But it's of course not in general. And very sure also the other way round. I find it easier to talk to "integrated", but also often i have the feel that the interest in integration is not very high. (see abovementioned)
How comes, for example, that women very often still are kept at home? In school it brings up big problems, when children start writing and reading, because they are not used enough to german. Now here comes the 2nd class thinking in play: We need a good education for our children if we don't want to go down totally, and turkish people should be interested in this too.
As mentioned, the kindergarten-friend of my son was turkish, we had the fortune to be with his parents in time and even they tell me, that there are good and strange turkish people as here are good and bad german people.
A former neighbour was russian and sometimes telling me about her sorrows here to get along, another neighbour is italian and i could heart her all day, a good friend in the net is turkish and i like a good conversation in times. He would step here asking me: Anja, now WHAT have you started there? and then laugh about me. Certainly.
I AM living in a small world, trying to be good and am shocked when being shouted without a reason i could find. Because actually please: WHAT EXACTLY are you blaming ME for?
What really pisses me off in the meantime. I have stepped in here for finding job information for my friend to be here, reading discussions like these. No matter when they are serious, but here it's just bashing around....
I mean, i could easily complain about the older ones in our office too. Always trying to fool us a little, simply because they're longer there - even when we are more organized and a fresh knowledge should be a winning thing, too ...pretty discriminating in times, what do you guess?
Or those fast going drivers on the motorway here (Autobahn of course is forbidden...for reasons). Well they like hassling me around, just because i don't do as fast as they do.... shouldn't i feel discriminated then??
And hell...yes...the goddamn fucking so-called Nordic Walkers with their sticks...stuffing the way with two people...and then, expecting a single jogger to just jump away from them...
Now THAT is fucking racist, isn't it?
THAT. IS. NOT. MINE.
It's tiring. It doesn't make much sense. And going on like that you won't find me discussing here.
Sure.scN Anja
03 Apr 2009, 02:39 - Report
laughing foreigner
First to start "It's not me, I'm not guilty!"
When and where did i say this, eh? Please don't put me words i haven't said.
What i have said is exactly this: it's a bit more complex than this, isn't it?
Talking about turkish people in Germany. We could fill books with that, but i can just give a few things because i have to care for work and son too. And i am no politician! I know that a turkish woman has been the first council administrator in my old home town. I have to admit though that Mr. Özdemir is the only politician so far i know in public. The integration debate to me is polarized, because "theory and praxis" drift apart alot. You talk about not being able to integrate and the same way it's the politics slowing you down. In my opinion it's the cat biting itself in this, isn't it?
When i gave those two points of incident it was to put up that things like these happen, but i WOULDN'T shout about it usually, nor was it a complaint against turkish people. The explanation and apologize to Cem has been deleted unfortunately. It is something that happens, but still people should work about being good with each other.
So, when i see turkish people over here i AM split sometimes, some of them in times ARE behaving like german haters in return and women are sometimes not much respected as it seems (tell me, if it is different in your eyes). But it's of course NOT in general. And very sure also the other way round. I find it easier to talk to "integrated", but also often i have the feel that the interest in integration is not very high. (see abovementioned)
But i would never go and say: "You! Integrate yourself! Immediately."
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Trying to post in here is a cure today....scN Anja
03 Apr 2009, 02:56 - Report
@scN Anja
I give you a good advise-----
PLEASE SPEND YOUR NEXT HOLIDAY IN TURKEY
A trip to Istanbul does not cost that much.
Then you will understand,that those Turks living in Germany mainly belong to the "Unterschicht".
They came from anatolian villages to Germany to do jobs,which are done by low-educated people.
That is the reason why they act like anatolian farmers 40 years ago.
You can not compare middle-class or upper-class Turks to them.
If Germany would have wanted more educated immigrants,there would be no immigration-problem.
But Germany needed workers for factories not high educated people.Cem Dönmez
03 Apr 2009, 06:36 - Report
scn anja, do you miss hitler to set the turk problem?
germany culture is evil.the only thing that germans can do to human kind is desapeir of earth. germans have too many sins that they must bring blacks,arabs and turks to germany,and all german must to marry with these imigrants.the only solution to germany besides mass suicide is mixegenation with other races.
it is repugnant to see that are still nazis like this scn anja.it is very sad!"i am split when i see a turk"! gosh! you germans are wrong! you are evil! you deserve to be shouted in the streets,because you are guilty!you are nothing more than barbarians.civilization in germany is only tecnology,but no moral values!germany is a country that has no civilized moral!you are still the cannibals that you were in antiguity,but with high tech stuff!
the better thing to do would be change germany in a agrarian country,and change germans in slaves.happy foreigner
03 Apr 2009, 06:49 - Report
yes.
Cem? Thanks for explaining. Whenever time and money are given, i might follow your advice.
The other fake: Please go home and hassle your mom.
From my part: i will go for now, into the woods with my lovely friend, and hug some trees and make some love...
Returning here, we still would find some bashing around....and this is not what i was here for...
Thanks for a nice conversation, and the best to you.scN Anja
03 Apr 2009, 07:53 - Report
HUGE TREES!
Brilliant one mate!.Hahaha!!..that Old "Faggot Trap!"..and "Happy Foreigner" bought it!..HAHAHAHA!!...just exposing more prejudiced issues that the repressed denizen of questionable parentage has!...( I think there may be 2 "g's" in Faggot!)...also loved the way you got "HF" to peruse the text!..HAHAHA!!!!..thank's for a really good laugh!..that has made my day!...and I presume that "HF" means "GOOD" points, rather than "GOD" points...mind you who knows?..obviously a fundementalist,...and definately a "Mentalist!"..
"Hey!.."HF",..I have a one legged, Chinese speaking, Black lesbian dwarf, living next door to me...AND she is on state benefits!...what do you reckon?...should I burn her?..
Keep it up!...You ROCK!!!!!
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!Bloody Good Laugh!
04 Apr 2009, 02:50 - Report
@scN Anja
As far as I can see you would not know these things without my explaination.
I go crazy.It is ALWAYS the same.For years and years and years me and other people of turkish descent are trying to explain these things.
But usually you could know all these things just by thinking.
I wonder WHY you and tons of other Germans need someone who explains it to you.
You should recognize by yourself that most Turks in Germany belong to the "Unterschicht" and that they came from the poor villages of Turkey.
It is not difficult to know that Turks from the middle- or upper-class would never do those jobs which most Gastarbeiters did.
And that shows me that you know nearly nothing about Turkey.
A lot of german people are ridiciluous concerning these subjects.Cem Dönmez
04 Apr 2009, 04:00 - Report
@scN Anja
And I say it again
MAKE A FLIGHT TO ISTANBUL
Until then you better do not talk about these subject.
GoodbyeCem Dönmez
04 Apr 2009, 04:09 - Report
@Cem
I visited Istanbul 4 years ago. A wonderful, modern city, fantastic clubs and friendly people.the happy german
04 Apr 2009, 04:36 - Report
Cem,
No, we better don't talk in any way. Now, that is a "good" advice. Makes things way better.
And of course, travel next time should go to Anatolia, because that is what you talk about, isn't it?
Good to know, there is always someone looking down to another one...heaven help, i've lost my brain
04 Apr 2009, 08:29 - Report
@the happy german
It is good to see that there are german people who know what I am talking about.
I hope you had a good time there.Cem Dönmez
05 Apr 2009, 03:00 - Report
turkish crimes against humanity
I think atleast kurds are to appreciate, what there gained from germany.
I know, because you turks promised(Attatürk to be specific) them there own country, but you didnt appreciated there help at killing nearly all Armenian people
http://en.wikipedia...man_Armenian_casualties
so you betrayed them.
You turks didnt even have shame to ridicule yourself.
I can only adress to the american people, that you should always think about these facts and why we Europeans dont want Turkey to be in the EU.
Also they killed and tortured Christian people, they dont accept christan churches to be build in Turkey, they dont accept south cyprus as a country, they invaded north cyprus, they are still suppresses curds, they are not ready to be in the Eu, not even close!
http://en.wikipedia.../Human_rights_in_Turkey dragonmaster
06 Apr 2009, 04:40 - Report
scN Anja
1/ Germany was not capable of resolving this issue (same with "duldung" for asylum seekers) by itself due to public resistance and weak politicians. The German govt had to be forced by the EU (the EU third country nationals directive, about 2003) and also to have proper immigration law (zuwanderungsgesetz) for the first time.
2/If you live in an empty house with no traceable owner for I think 8 years in most countries and probably Germany as well, the house is legally yours. But two generations still on a temporary visa in another country is ridiculous - even if you come from a different culture, even if you are not "integrated." You just can't treat people like that, and you will be forced to behave properly as has now happened.
3/When people are permanent citizens of a country, they get assistance from the government to learn english or change their social attitudes etc because their elite form pressure groups, work in the government etc.
4/"Integration" was replaced by multiculturalism decades ago in many countries. Even in germany, it only means "speaking the german language" not "being just like us". We live in the modern world now in Germany, there is no "us", even a neo-nazi would not be able to define what a "German" is - as they also couldn't do in 1933-1945.the australian
06 Apr 2009, 05:40 - Report
@dragonmaster
Obama was in Turkey during the last few days.
You will see how things are going to develope in the future.
You better kill yourself now,because things are going to change in favor of Turkey.
The US and Turkey are close allies.
Obama spoke in the turkish parliament,in front of the press and with turkish students.
Watch BBC or CNN today and you will see,what US-policy concerning Turkey will look like in the future.
And then go and cry your heart out.Cem Dönmez
07 Apr 2009, 04:06 - Report
nato vs eu
the nato isnt the eu, i think a lot of turks dont understand that they are mayor differences between this 2 organisations, the nato is military pact for defence, with usa,canada, most of europe and turkey, the eu on the contrary is an union with its own currency and equal standads of law,social standads, possibility of moving freely in the countries without visa etc.
Its much more than just the Nato, so the requirements are much harder to fullfil for turkey, even when the armenian problem is solved, there are still the porblems with the cultural and political kurds autonomy, the recognition of south cyprus, because its an eu member, also the freedom of religion.
All these problems have nothing to do with the nato, but all with eu.
As long as they are not solved, turkey cannot enter the eu membership, or even join the euro.dragonmaster
07 Apr 2009, 05:24 - Report
@dragonmaster
I know quite well that the EU is not the NATO.
I was not talking about the NATO.Cem Dönmez
09 Apr 2009, 11:16 - Report
@dragonmaster
By the way,the EU is the one who doesn't understand that it is a different organization than the NATO.
A few days ago an EU-politician (Olli Rehn) said that Turkey will have problems joining the EU by not accepting the danish Prime Minister becoming the new head of the NATO.
That was sooooo ridicilous.What have this two subjects got to do with each other?
Whole Turkey laughed about that.Later other EU-politicians said that it was wrong what Mr. Rehn said.Cem Dönmez
09 Apr 2009, 06:20 - Report
@dragonmaster
.....and Turkey is solving all the problems which you've mentioned step by step.
There are kurdish TV-Channels in Turkey since a few weeks.Kurdish people get more and more minority-rights.
Turkey will open it's gates to Armenia in a few weeks.
The country is ready for a dialogue with Armenians.
Churches and christian schools are re-opened (for example the famous christian school in "Heybeliada" near Istanbul).
Turkey also has lots of jews who live in peace with the rest of the population for over 600 years now.During the Ottoman-Empire many hundred-thousand jews emigrated from Spain to turkish territory.Later,during the german Nazi-regime Turkey also gave new home for jews.
The requirements for an EU-membership will be fullfiled.
But of course the EU will still not accept Turkey.
But......who cares?
Turkey is changing,because the country WANTS to change.It is not changing to satisfy the EU.
Who cares if the country is an EU-member or not,if it has reached the EU-standard???????
Turks will not care.
Maybe Turkey will not want to join the EU by it's own.It might be an advantage to stay outside the EU.
Turkey is changing very fast.It is already a country,which can't be compared to any other country with a major muslim population.
As Obama said,the country is a positive example for muslim countries.
Eva Mendez said that Istanbul is her favorite city and then comes Rome.
Mickey Rourke,Charlize Theron,Carmen Electra,Christina Aguilera, are just a few names who are fascinated by the country.
Musicians like Depeche Mode,Pet Shop Boys,Deep Purple,Pink,Shakira,50 Cent,Beastie Boys....and many,many others always do some gigs in Turkey.
Franz Ferdinand even wrote a song about it.
Do you think that all these people would be fascinated if Turkey wasn't a fascinating place?
Are all those people crazy?
Do they come from non-developed countries?
Turkey has a bad image because of the uneducated "Gastarbeiters" all over Europe.
The country is very,very different from what people in Europe think about it.
But of course this will change in about 10 or 15 years.
Nikki Lauda (Formula 1)said that he saw more women in Turkey in short clothes than in many other countries.
There is soooooo much more to say about the sick relationship between the EU and Turkey,but I am afraid,I can't count them all.
So,....I leave you alone with your prejudices,my friend.
But I know that one day you will be ashamed of your thoughts about Turkey,Mr. Dragonmaster.
DON'T FORGET MY WORDS!!!!!!!
Until then I wish you a happy life!!!!Cem Dönmez
09 Apr 2009, 07:10 - Report
GERMANY IS MY HOME AND YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT!!!
No Joke! You all tell so much shit about Germany whats the reason for it, if you dont like Germany piss off!!!Proud off my Country
09 Apr 2009, 09:52 - Report
I agree with you
Germany is really full of racist, they don't like me because I have black hair and brown eyes(they told me that personally). The americans are just all the opposite, I've made a lot of friends who are from america and they also want to take me to New Jersey(where they come from).looki
10 Apr 2009, 08:19 - Report
@looki
I am a German who has lived in the US for a number of years (WA and CA). I now live in Germany again. I can relate to some of the criticism of Germans as not being as approachable as people in the US or Latin America. However, I find accusations of racism as leveled by you and others in this forum wholly inappropriate.
Sure, there are racists in Germany. There are racists in the US (ask the blacks/Latinos/Asians). There are racists in Mexico (ask the Guatemalans and indigenous people). There are racists in the UK (ask the Indians). There are racists in Japan (ask the Ainu). The list goes on. I honestly can't see anything special about Germany in this regard. In my experience, it's all about how you approach people yourself. That will, to a large extent, determine how they approach you. If you expect them to be racist to begin with, you shouldn't be surprised if they actually are toward you.
It seems to me a lot of you Germany haters out there are really only getting what you ask for. Guess what, we are people, too, not incarnations of your twisted imagination. Treat us as people, and you will be treated in kind.
And sure, Germany's history is replete with wars and examples of how bad man can be unto his fellow man. But, for example, so is the UK's -- the entire history of the British Empire is one big display of atrocities. Ask any Indian or African that has the dimmest idea of his country's history. Does that mean I hate the Brits? No. I might as well hate humanity, which I don't either. The point is, there are good people and evil people everywhere.
I liked a lot of things about the US when I lived there, and I disliked a lot of things. You don't have to love Germany, just be a little more balanced in your assessments. The world is not black and white, and neither is Germany.aleman
10 Apr 2009, 08:58 - Report
@Cem
You should acknowledge that the Turks in Germany, for the most part, are not the most educated part of your nation's populace.
They mostly came to Germany from Eastern Anatolia and were a nuisance to the Turkish government in the 1950s, which is why they expedited their relocation to Germany. The Turkish government didn't want these people in their own country!
What you're saying about how nice a place Turkey, and Istanbul in particular, is, may have its merits. I can't say because I've never been there. But why is it that the Turks are just about the only ethnic group in Germany that is experiencing a cultural divide with the rest of the population (not just ethnic Germans but everybody else in Germany)?
I'll tell you why. They had a poll among (ethnic) Turkish university students in Germany, and it was found that a third of them (!) condoned honor killings. And that's the university students! Most Turks in Germany are far from that level of education. Why is it that Turkish parents still teach their children how bad of a society we are and that they should not mingle with us?
How can we integrate someone who doesn't want to be integrated? The hostility the Turks are experiencing in Germany is mostly of their own making. Germans are not hostile toward Italians, Spaniards, Greeks, really just about anybody, the way they are toward the Turks. Doesn't that make you think? How would you feel if the least educated part of the Ruhr valley population mass-immigrated to Turkey, never learned a word of Turkish in 40 years and on top of that taught their children how evil Turkish society was?
I'm sure you'd be really welcoming toward them, now would you?aleman
11 Apr 2009, 01:06 - Report
aleman
what do you want.kill the turks like hitler did with the jews?you germans are guilty,not the turks! you germans must learn to live in a multicultural society.french man
11 Apr 2009, 02:26 - Report
@french man
Read my post. I never anything like that.
I'd love to welcome the Turks into German society. It's they who don't want to be a part of it. How is that our fault? If they hate our culture so much, why do they want to live in our country?
Stop pounding us with stereotypes of yesteryear, and address the real issues.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 02:52 - Report
@french man
By the way, being a Frenchman, maybe you should reflect a bit on your country before criticizing ours? What about the Algerians in France? Do you welcome them with open arms? And what about Napoleon? He invaded and conquered half of Europe just like Hitler. In Germany Hitler is despised but in France Napoleon is revered. Why? Seems weird to me.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 02:59 - Report
aleman
napoleon never killed anyone in gas chambers like you germans did. and algerians are very well integrated in french society.
if the turks dont want be part of german society,leave them with their culture.it is what mean multiculturalism. each people with their culture,sharing the same espace.why is it too dificult to you germans understand.french man
11 Apr 2009, 03:04 - Report
aleman
of course the turks dont want be part of a country with a shame history like germany.they are in germany to enjoy social security and things like that,not because they like germans(to like germans is impossible,i am sorry to say).germans are the most disgusting and crazy people in the earth,and germans deserves to live with the scum of turkey forever,to pay what they did in second world war.french man
11 Apr 2009, 03:09 - Report
@french man
Algerians are surely not better integrated into French society than Turks are into German society. Just look at the riots in the banlieues.
Hitler was more efficient in killing people, that is true. But Napoleon also killed a lot of people, you can't deny that. At least we've learned from our past. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who supports what Hitler did it Germany, but you'll find lots of people who aggrandize Napoleon in France to this day. WHY?
Finally, I disagree with your concept of multiculturalism. If anybody immigrates to another country, whether it be Germany, the US, France, or any other place, they should try to become part of that society. That doesn't mean they should give up their cultural heritage. I value different cultural backgrounds and all that that brings to a society. But if they really don't like our society, as in teach their children we're the infidels, how can I accept that? Nobody forced them to come to our country. If
it's so horrible, why don't they just go back?
I'm not a xenophobe. I've lived in other countries myself. But I do expect a minimum level of adaptation from immigrants. I did the same when I abroad.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 03:14 - Report
@french man
I just read your second post. I can't believe you're saying these things. I was born in 1975. How am I responsible for happened during WWII? And even my granddad, who fought in the war -- how can you really blame him. They would have shot him and his entirely family if he had refused to serve in the military.
It's so easy for people to judge Germans. But believe me, nobody is more ashamed of the war than we are. That has nothing to do with how the Turks behave today.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 03:19 - Report
@french man
PS: I am really disgusted by people like you. A discussion with you is pointless. You will hate Germans no matter what I say because you've decided that Germans are evil.
Go to Germany and you will find that virtually anybody you meet will be ashamed of the war and the Holocaust.
Again, I was born 1975. But it doesn't matter to you. You've decided that all Germans are evil by race. How is that any better than deciding that Jews are evil?
Huh?aleman
11 Apr 2009, 03:27 - Report
aleman,the nazi
you germans are nothing more than barbarians and cannibal.all civilization and culture that is worth in europe came from france. the only thing you germans can do is to kill defenseless people like jews or turks. go to find other thing to do besides to hate that poor turks that go to your damned germany to escape from starvation in turkey rural areas. you germans never change,always the same bunch of murders and racists psicopats.
and napoleon was not a racist,and never killed people based in race or color.he killed,of course,but with honor,in the battlerfield.your hitler had no honor,he killed older,children and women.there is no comparation.french man
11 Apr 2009, 03:31 - Report
aleman nazi
i was born in 1973,almost the same age that you have,but i dont hate arabs in my country like you hate the turks.you must agree that there is something wrong with germans: you cant love,but hate a lot! it is very strange!
and i dont hate germans, i only said the truth about you.sometimes is hard listen the truth from a foreigner like me...french man
11 Apr 2009, 03:37 - Report
@french man
Don't you see that you're the bigot here?
True, Hitler had an evil agenda, and I don't mean to excuse it at all. But don't equate that with the character of the German people.
You don't seem to listen to what I say at all. You've decided for yourself that Germans are evil, and nothing I say can ever change your point of view.
At the same time, you say things like "all culture that is worth in Europe came from France".
Can't you see that's the same kind of attitude that led to "Deutschland ueber alles".
Really, stop it. It's another century now, okay?aleman
11 Apr 2009, 03:37 - Report
@french man
I don't hate the Turks, all right?
I only expect that them not to teach their children that we're the infidels. Can you really not understand that?aleman
11 Apr 2009, 03:40 - Report
@french man
And stop calling me a nazi. That's an insult.
It seems to me you criticize me for being conservative because you're a left-wing multicultural idealist, but that's a totally different issue from German vs. French.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 03:43 - Report
aleman nazi
but to teach that westers are infidels is part of turk culture,like the beer is part of german culture.why dont you respect their culture,and let them call you infidel.do you must to kill them because they call you infidel? give me a break!
respect other cultures,and you will to be respected.can you really understand that? if not,join npd or the new ss,and be happy.french man
11 Apr 2009, 03:46 - Report
aleman
yes,i am left wing.have you no shame to be a conservative? are you part of npd! i cant believe that!french man
11 Apr 2009, 03:49 - Report
@french man
WHO SAID I WANT TO KILL THEM?
You are out of your frickin mind, dude!
To teach that we're the infidels is not acceptable, it's not some meaningless folkloristic feature of their culture. It's okay if you disagree with me on that one, but do so the way you would with French conservatives who hold similar views, not as a German. This has nothing to do with German vs. French culture.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 03:50 - Report
@french man
Listen dude, you're really annoying me now. I am not NPD. They are not conservative, they are nazi. Stop slandering me and putting me in some corner I'm not in. My political views are conservative but really liberal in the classical -- French! -- sense, the way embodied today by Ron Paul in the US.
I expect people that live in a country to not seclude into separate societies. Again, you may disagree with that, but that has nothing to do with me being German.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 03:54 - Report
aleman npd
yes,it has nothing to do with france against germany,but right against left.a far right german is very freak,do you agree?with all those nazi past...
in france,we have no problem with arabs.the riots that you mentioned were only a episody.
for me ,a german conservative is not more than a nazi.sorry,but it is what i thinkfrench man
11 Apr 2009, 03:57 - Report
@french man
I will end this discussion now.
You disgust me to the utmost degree. You have no willingness to learn about Germany, nor about conservative viewpoints, nor about what it means to be conservative in Germany today. Conservatives in Germany distance themselves vehemently from nazis past and present. The conservative party is the CDU, not the NPD. The NPD is not even in the German parliament.
Chancellors Adenauer and Kohl, the strongest proponents of European unity, were from the CDU.
You don't know what you're talking about at all.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 04:05 - Report
aleman
well,i see that at least one thing conservatives of cdu shares with nazis of npd: the hate against turks,and the belief that german culture is superior to turk culture.
go drink your beer,german,and contitue to vote to far right parties.all barbarian like beer and is right wing.i will drink my wine,and i will go on to vote for the left.french man
11 Apr 2009, 04:12 - Report
@french man
National Socialism and Communism/Socialism have the same philosophical root -- they're both based on Hegelian philosophy which elevates the states above the individual. As I said, I am a conservative but you might just as well call me a conservative-libertarian. Look up Congressman Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty in the US. That's what I subscribe to.
It should be obvious to you and anybody reading this that that's a far cry from any Nazi-type philosophy.
The true Nazis today are the do-gooders like Nancy Pelosi.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 04:15 - Report
@french man
How many times do I have to say it? I don't hate anybody. I don't hate the Turks, all right? But I do expect everybody, Turk or no Turk, to try and be part of the society they live in. That's not asking for too much now, is it? It's what the French meant by "fraternite'" in the French revolution. How can there be a functioning society if some group calls the rest the infidels?
Good night, and happy Easter.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 04:18 - Report
aleman cdu
you,like all far right people,like to mixing trues with lies.the conservatives are not rational people.you see the world like a religious fanatic.and nazi philosofy is related to nietzche.the comunist philosofy teach that the state must be abolished. you are wrong!french man
11 Apr 2009, 04:21 - Report
@french man
No, I am not wrong. Marxism is rooted in Hegel's statism just like National Socialism was. The communists believed that the superior state should decide what was best for the people, and that they should be "educated" to the point of being killed.
Stalin killed more people than Hitler. Do you hate the Russians as much as you do the Germans...?aleman
11 Apr 2009, 04:25 - Report
aleman
good night.dont forget to eat your kraut and drink your beer before sleep.
far right or not,you nowadays germans,are very funny.if one want to see you upset,it is enough call you nazi! it is very funny!french man
11 Apr 2009, 04:30 - Report
@french man
I don't like you guys either, don't worry...
I don't like your overpriced food, your arrogant manners, the fact that you can't get a double room with two separate beds in your frickin country.
As an American friend of mine put it, "In most countries, the more educated people are, the less prejudiced they are about people. Not so in France..."
Bonne nuit mon amialeman
11 Apr 2009, 04:34 - Report
aleman
russians never invaded france.but i dont hate germans.i only think that you are very freak.and stalin was not a racist like hitler.
read marx and other comunist theorics,and you will see that you are worng.forget this doutrinaction from your party! marxism has nothing to do with nazism.french man
11 Apr 2009, 04:36 - Report
@french man
Dream on, dude. You may realize the truth when the current financial system -- upon which socialists all over the world have relied to finance their overspending -- finally collapses. I say good riddance.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 04:39 - Report
aleman
al leat we dont eat only potatos with beer. our food is expensive because it is the best food in the world.you germans only eat trash ,and dress like red necks!
but france is civilized,and germany only has tecnology,but no real civilization(i mean civilized values)
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@french man
True, Russians never invaded France. But the French tried to invade Russia (Napoleon), just like Hitler did a hundred years later. I still don't get why you guys revere Napoleon so much. He was a wannabe Alexander the Great, really.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 04:46 - Report
@french man
I don't like Berlin. Berlin's not that great, I actually agree. But at least it's not the ONLY city we have in our country. Germany is very diverse, which in your ignorance you may not realize. We have lots of mid-sized cities and a very diverse collections of different cultures within the country. By contrast, Napoleon mandated everybody to speak the dialect of Paris by threat of severe punishment. That's why YOU only have one city where everything is concentrated. France to me is the epitome of a centralist country. Paris = France. I like some variety.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 04:49 - Report
aleman
go to learn to eat and dress ,and i will tell you why napoleon is the greatest man of all time.you german looks like the redneck of usa.and german women are the ugliest women in the world! i think that all this ugly women was what made you germans war lovers.you went to war to escape to german women.french man
11 Apr 2009, 04:52 - Report
@french man
Your great French baguette is only so great because it's mostly made from imported German grain. Look up the facts.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 04:52 - Report
@french man
My American friend was right...aleman
11 Apr 2009, 05:02 - Report
aleman
france is not only paris,german. there is marselha,caen,lion and a lot of beautifull cities in france!stop to write bullshit! i see you dont know france!
and american know nothing.your american friend is a dumb ass like youfrench man
11 Apr 2009, 05:08 - Report
@french man
All your cities bow to Paris and pale in comparison to it, there's no doubt about that. Paris controls the whole country of France. Germany, by contrast, is made up of states just like the US. The sixteen states were created before they together formed (or acceded to) the Federal Republic. You couldn't form states if you wanted to, because everything is so concentrated in Paris. Just look at your "regions" that are an utter failure.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 05:17 - Report
poor aleman
the worst region in france is better than any of the states of former east germany.utter failure was the reunification of germany.your country is divided in two!
i am happy because you dont deny that german women are the ugliest in the world.german women want date frenchs ,but we dont want them,because they are very ugly.
and stop to compare a multicultural country like usa with your shit germany.usa and germany has nothing to do with each otherfrench man
11 Apr 2009, 05:28 - Report
@french man
Just because I don't deny all of your insults doesn't mean I agree with them. Really, anybody reading this will see that you are the nationalist, not me. You are the bigot, not me. You are the one with bad manners, not me. You're a very bad ambassador of your country. But keep on bashing Germany. Apparently it makes you happy, so enjoy. I'm shocked that someone your age would write the kind of crap you've been writing. You're 36, really? You write like you're 16.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 11:24 - Report
@french man
One minute Americans are all rednecks, the next minute they're multicultural "unlike Germany". Your arguments are so bizarre and you can't even see it. The US was settled for the most part by English/Irish and German people, as far as the European-descended population is concerned. Americans are much more similar to Germans than they are to the French. I know because I lived there for years. Where have YOU lived besides heaven-sent France?aleman
11 Apr 2009, 11:43 - Report
@french man
And the non-European groups in the US all try to be a part of the country. That's the big difference between, say, the Mexicans in the US and the Turks in Germany. Which brings me back to my original post. If the Turks tried to be part of German society the way Mexicans do in the US (despite all scuffles that exist there too), I would have never complained about them. I loved the Mexicans in California.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 11:51 - Report
Aleman
just to make clear: it doesn't make much sense discussing in here, as french man, latino man, happy foreigner, whoever are all the same person obviously.
To him, all Germans are "very freak".
Totally insane character...
Spare your time, go out into the nice weather, have a beer and a good time!!!
It's more worth it....
Happy Easter!scN Anja
11 Apr 2009, 11:55 - Report
@Anja
Yes, that's my plan for today. Happy Easter.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 12:07 - Report
aleman turk hater and evil anja
evil anja,go to polish your little adolf picture.you already went to npd meeting today?
aleman,caution.your hate against turks close more and more to madness.mexicans are integrated in american society?are you crazy?mexicans and latin americans in usa have their own culture.
why are you obsessed with turks? did one of them steal your girlfriend?or did you try date a turk girl,and she did not want you?it is very strange this hate that you have against turks! do you want became the new hitler of germany,but this time you will preach the hate not against jews,but against turks?
you germans are really ,like said evil anja,very freak!french man
11 Apr 2009, 09:17 - Report
french man
Yes, Mexicans in the US have their own culture. That's okay with me, as long as they are trying at the same time to be part of American society. And they ARE trying to do that, most of them are. At least they don't commit honor killings and stuff like that.
You don't know Germany, and you don't know the US either. All you know is stereotypes. Everything you see and hear you try to match to those stereotypes. Again, I don't hate the Turks. I just expect a little more openness from them toward their host culture. That is a perfectly reasonable request in my mind.
Frenchie, your problem is that you have received The Truth, with a capital T, and your wisdom springs eternal. Be a little more modest, and don't immediately go off on people when you don't really know what you're talking about.
And by the way, your writing style is horrific. Maybe you should go to the US and take an English class sometime. Then you'll see that in general the Latinos there don't talk to you aggressively on the street for no reason, and they integrate quite well into American life. There are problems everywhere, but by and large the Latinos in the US are okay. It's because their culture is compatible with mainstream American culture. Think about it before you call me names again.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 11:21 - Report
french man
There are actually a number of Turks in Germany who have gone on national television and writing books criticizing their fellow Turks for the same things I criticize them for. Maybe that will give you second thoughts about my "racism". I'm not a racist, I just call a spade a spade and don't sweep intolerable attitudes and actions under the rug in the name of multiculturalism. What folks like you do not understand is that multiculturalism requires MUTUAL respect for it to work. It cannot possibly work if some group comes in, the majority of its people have no respect for their host country, and they do not want to integrate. Again, with the Mexicans its different because they do not despise mainstream American culture -- they only want to preserve their cultural heritage. Those are too entirely different things.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 11:48 - Report
ps
Now don't go off on my spelling mistakes -- I realize it should be "two" instead of "too" and other typos. I still believe that your writing style sucks. You write like an angry youth, not like a man in his prime.aleman
11 Apr 2009, 11:54 - Report
@aleman
I wrote it 1000 times.
Turks in Germany can't be compared to that ones in Turkey,because the "Gastarbeiters" came to Germany from small villages of Anatolia.
They are uneducated.
That's the reason why they live like anatolian farmers in the 60ies.
That was all I wanted to say.
I DON'T DEFEND TURKS IN GERMANY!!!!
I just get angry if someone thinks that people in Turkey are like the "Gastarbeiters" all over Europe.
I completely agree with what you wrote!
It's a catastrophe how turkish people in Germany behave.
I feel ashamed of them.
The worst thing is that they also destroy the image of Germany in Turkey.
For example many western Turks from the modern towns of Turkey like to spend their holidays in Europe.
They visit different towns in Europe,but not many of them are interested in Germany.
The reason for it are the ridicilous Turks from Germany.Turks in Turkey make fun of them.
They think that Germany can't be a worth seeing place if the majority of the Turks living there are like gangster-rappers.
Another reason are those Nazi-films everybody knows and the cheap german tourists of Antalya.
What can I say......
Both countries have a wrong impression of each other.
Educated Turks and educated Germans don't have any contact.The working-class does it's best to destroy the historical friendship of Germany and Turkey.
Turkey and Germany always fought together against others,not against each other.
But in Germany there are also educated people like me and my family(we are a minority,I know).
I speak fluently,accent-free turkish and I am in Istanbul very often.People in Turkey don't see me as a typical German-Turk.I am completely integrated into the modern society of Western-Turkey.
But still.....
I love Germany and will continue doing it until I die.I always say:I am a German of turkish descent.Cem Dönmez
13 Apr 2009, 07:59 - Report
cem donmez
you are disgusting! aleman dispised your people,and you lick his ass! gosh!folks like you make me think that all turks are germans' slaves!french man
14 Apr 2009, 01:25 - Report
Germany is great
I spent four years in Germany, because I studied at the university of Freiburg. The best years of my young life! Never before and after this periode, I found such friendly, cosmopolitan and humorously people like in Freiburg, Hamburg, Berlin and Cologne. I didn't see any Nazis, and I know what a Nazi looks like,because Sweden is full with this assholes, instead of Germany.
It's very funny so see, that everybody here is calling the germans as cold and hatefull. But the most hatefull comments here are NOT from Germans. They came from guys like "proud brazilian" or "french man".
The most germans here are discussing as I know them: factually, prudentially and politely.
Germans, be proud of your wonderfull country and your rich culture. Be proud of your sedulity and your prosperity.
Best wishes from Uddevallaswedish guy
14 Apr 2009, 09:54 - Report
@french man
I don't lick anyones ass.
I was born in Germany and I grew up here.
I have a german passport.
I am completely integrated into the german society.
So,it's pretty normal that I love this country.
That kind of Turks @aleman was talking about,are not "my people".
I like the western ones who live like Atatürk wanted them to do.
It doesn't make any sense to have a conversation here.
Bence Almanya gayet güzel bir ülke.
(That is turkish and means:For me Germany is quite a beautiful country).
Goodbye everyone!!!!Cem Dönmez
14 Apr 2009, 07:21 - Report
one sentence you're
unlikely to hear a german say in english (or german): "sorry, I made a mistake, it's my fault." Perhaps some germans here could comment why germans seem to have trouble admitting mistakes - I have never heard so many stupid excuses, emotional explosions etc etc to escape from this condition. Where does it hurt? How bad does it hurt? Please tell me.the laughing foreigner
14 Apr 2009, 07:42 - Report
LAUGHING FOREIGNER
germans prefer to die than admitt any mistake.and now,this swedish boy come here to defend germany!my god,germany is evil,and everybody that dare to defend that damned coutry is evil too!if you know germany ,you understand why nazism grow there:nazism is part of german soul.only in germany a dictador like hitler,illeterate,crazy and gay ,could get followers!germany is the worst coutry in earth:that is the true!french man
14 Apr 2009, 08:27 - Report
@french man
Do you lived in Germany for more than four years? I don't think so. I met helpful and friendly people there.
I visited Strasbourg and Colmar behind the border; the french people were rude and arrogant and I found them very xenophobic. Nazism is growing in many european countries, also France. You have your own extrem right-wing-party, the "Front National". The different to the german NPD (which is just a local phenomenon in the east) is, that the FN had real success in France like 2004 (more than 12%). Politicans like Jean-Marie Le Pen could never be successful in Germany.
Sweden has a Nazi-Problem unfortunately), France has a Nazi-Problem, also Russia and Poland. But Germany hasn't.
THAT'S the truth!swedish guy
14 Apr 2009, 09:11 - Report
@ swedish guy
Hey, greetings to Sweden, I visited it in 2000, and 2001 (near Varberg). Wonderful landscape, and also wonderful, relaxed people.
BTW: I am living in Freiburg. I hope, that you really enjoyed your time in our (little bit cracy) town.the happy german
14 Apr 2009, 09:19 - Report
suspicion
Hi, I have the suspicion that there is a certain person in this forum who signs on with different names writing always the same stuff. you can notice that if you read his words and the way he types. he uses the same words, makes the same grammatical mistakes... maybe his wish is to create hostility between germans and other countries ? I suspect this so called "french man" isn't really French.
@ laughing foreigner: It's not only a German thing that people get angry if they are faced with prejudices and racial abuse. Just visit the forums of other countries. There it's the same... people insulting and defending. Maybe your wish is that Germans apologize to you for being alive ? I think you should rather apologize yourselve for your ignorant insults against German people.
I think Cem was right when he said it doesn't make sense to discuss in this forum. Some people just let out their personal frustration by writing insults against Germans. But people can decide where they want to live and if you hate Germany nobody forces you to live here or to talk to Germans. byeare some of the posts fake ?
15 Apr 2009, 03:41 - Report
@are some of the posts fake ?
..you are answering questions I never asked, imaginary questions which are huge exaggerations of my questions. You invent your own suffering. But, as my questions suggest, suffering seems to be particularly easy for many Germans. But mostly at the hands of other Germans, since hardly any foreigners live in Germany. What is certain is that self-confidence and strength of personality does not improve by getting rid of all criticism, as the nazis tried to do with mass support. Rather the opposite, in fact. Perhaps that means you and your new country are still in their infancy - which my everyday experience tends to confirm. That means you will continue to be so overwhelmed with your suffering that you have no choice but to blame others for it, shout, weep, invent excuses, etc, just as my questions suggest.the laughing foreigner
15 Apr 2009, 05:02 - Report
@ laughing foreigner
I have only asked you why you think that Germans should apologize to you ? What gives you the competence to analyze the way Germans think ?
I don't suffer at all. You seem to suffer because Germans around you don't seem to behave in the way you wish. But why should they ?
I repeat that not only Germans get upset if people generalize about their country in a negative way. You can see the same reaction in every other forum. That was my main point. Check it for yourself if you don't believe it.I think some posts are fake
15 Apr 2009, 08:50 - Report
@I think some posts are fake
I don't expect germans or anyone else to behave as I want. I expect, like most people, other people to behave REASONABLY, especially when it affects me. Adults who have major difficulty taking responsibility for their own mistakes and cause problems trying to shift the blame are not behaving reasonably. I realise some parts of german culture has had a long history of difficulties with defining "REASONABLE" which is why it has been very unsuccessful and had to be forced to develop REASONABLE standards. You sound like Old School german - or are you telling me there isn't actually much of a difference?the laughing foreinger
15 Apr 2009, 10:56 - Report
GERMANY SUCKS BIG TIME!
You're totally right, New Yorker.. Germany sucks BIG TIME! Worst country in the f*cking world man!IHATEGERMANY
16 Apr 2009, 01:08 - Report
@ laughing foreigner
What do you expect ? Why should German readers of this forum apologize to you ? For what ?
You sound like an old school arrogant person who thinks he has to lecture people in other countries. Try it in Iraq where Bush has already been so succesful :Pthis forum is pathetic
16 Apr 2009, 01:52 - Report
@this forum is pathetic
..you can apologize for not answering my questions, not being intelligent enough to run a website forum without relying on help from Harz IV, mainly because you don't know any other tole than constantly playing the poor suffering eternally persecuted german victim.the laughing foreigner
16 Apr 2009, 04:06 - Report
@ laughing foreigner
you are playing the role of the suffering here.... the poor expat suffering in germany. but who forced you to live here ?
in any other country you would have the same problems as in germany i think because of your arrogant attitude. what makes you think you are smarter than others and that your culture is better ?
also the welfare program is called Hartz IV. do you rely on it or why do you stay in germany even though you find germans so stupid ?this forum is pathetic
16 Apr 2009, 06:51 - Report
@this forum is pathetic
...foreigners can't get Hartz IV, we just pay our income tax so you can. Of course like many germans you think that foreigners are robbing the state, and have arrogant attitudes. And sorry to disappoint you, I'm not suffering here, just laughing.the laughing foreigner
16 Apr 2009, 08:08 - Report
@ laughing foreigner
But your posts don't seem like you are really laughing. I don't think that foreigners are robbing the state. You only think in terms of "Germans" - "foreigners". Why don't you see people as individuals ? The fact that I think that you have an arrogant attitude doesn't mean that I think all foreigners are like that. My gf is also from another country and she isn't arrogant, for example.
Somehow you seem to have a very negative attitude towards Germans and that made me wonder why you decided to live in Germany.
@ Gringo Hater: Did you change your nick again ? At least Germans didn't rob all the gold and silver from Latin America as your Latin brothers the conquistadores from Spain did. Also Germany didn't participate much in the transatlantic slave trade etc.
If I wrote the same what you wrote about Gringos about Latinos in Northern countries you would wine that I'm racist, right ? So stop your inverse racism please.
Latin Americans and people from all countries are welcome in Germany if they are respectful to other cultures and open minded.this forum is pathetic
16 Apr 2009, 10:25 - Report
this forum is pathetic
"Latin Americans and people from all countries are welcome in Germany if they are respectful to other cultures and open minded." .....who are you to decide if people are welcome to germany? Are you the King of Germany? you should fuck off you stupid schoolboyfrench man
17 Apr 2009, 12:37 - Report
@french man
Why are you insulting everybody here? I thought, that the french are so cultivated...?the happy german
18 Apr 2009, 08:32 - Report
@the happy german
incorrect the bosch are more cultivated than us. at auschwitz they played mozart and never insulted nobody.french man
18 Apr 2009, 02:39 - Report
yes
yes,i agree.germany sucks!germany sucks
20 Apr 2009, 04:03 - Report
Lol...
"Yyyyyyuuuuuuuaaaaahhhhh"? What the hell was that for? Lol...IHATEGERMANY
21 Apr 2009, 09:00 - Report
BTW
BTW, I hate the german language.
Deutche dumköpf...IHATEGERMANY
21 Apr 2009, 09:04 - Report
Germany & UsA
Well, first, it isn´t right, that all germans are racists! The time of hitler is long gone!!
And we´re not all sad, maybe you´ve only been to the big cities, because im from germany, too, and im very happy, ilaugh every day.
And who says germany is ugly has never been to germany, the nature is great here!!
And to the people who say Usa is ignorante
you´ve never been there, too!
I´ve also never seen the USA but im trying to keep my own opinion!
Not all Americans are "typical americans", like you say.
So grow up and get you´re own opinion!
This is to all of you!!Lisa***
21 Apr 2009, 04:59 - Report
lisa
there was a racist here called "german man"that said "usa is full of niggas".my post was to him.
his post was deleted.american
21 Apr 2009, 05:31 - Report
@ french man, brazilian and so on....
I didn´t wanr to post that, but I think I must...
Dieter Nuhr said one time:
"Wenn man keine Ahnung hat, einfach mal Fresse halten."
Translate and think about this...ldf
21 Apr 2009, 05:45 - Report
Napoleon
Alexander the Great conquerd much and he was a hero because he wanted to bring two (Persia and Greece) cultures together.
Napoleon wanted also to seize the world, but he failed miserably because he oppressed other cultures... Thx to Russia that they´d stopped him...Guy
21 Apr 2009, 05:51 - Report
A bit of reason Please
Is germany as bad as indicated on this forum? No. Is germany Friendly? No.
Me:
British, 30, living in germany for 3 years as part of my work.
The Good:
Germany is clean, it is not dirty as previously mentioned, this is not true. People are not ugly as also mentioned, the same as everywhere else. When u get to know the people on a personal level, they are friendly. Germans are very fashionable. Germans as indicated earlier, do not smell.
The Bad:
Germany in public is cold, it is a fact, no ifs or buts about it. people are rude on the streets to each other, people care very little for people that are not associated with them. In comparisson to alot of countries this is true. Germany is also vain, talk about faceless capitilist vanity, new clothes perfect hair. It is true that german people care too much for their appearance and not enouigh for social interactions and personality.
Too many rules, oh god it gets annoying. Many people wait at a light no matter if there is no traffic or not, but if u walk everybody does.
Condescending arrogance, how many times have I heard, "We germans don't do X like the rest of the world", the classic is hero worship, we don't do hero worship. Bull! Obama when not even president came here and was greeted like a God. So germany is the same as everywhere, not smarter, not dumber, just the same.
Other:
I personally hate too many rules and vainty with no apparent care for soul, but i guess this is the ugly product of money. Bu look at other countries also, America was founded on good principles, but lacked implementation for a long time. america'S attitude in the last years has been arrogant too, sometimes believing they are always right. Europe is full of snobs, this is true also, believing they are more intelligent and cultured than america because the came from an older place, all the while consuming american culture like gravy.
This forum was not started silly, but has descended that way, thanks to pride and ignorance.
Face it, germany IS rude, but America is Fake (Personally though, I prefer America much more )Paul
23 Apr 2009, 05:51 - Report
some middle-class gemans are
so obsessed with themselves. Who are we? Are we like that, or that? How do we compare to them and those other ones? Are we better or worse? Of course there are obious reasons for this fascination with looking in the mirror. But knowing that doesn't stop you vomiting up your lunch somedays.the world
24 Apr 2009, 07:13 - Report
some russian in germany
congratulations,dude.you are welcomed to brazil,my powerfull,tropical and rich country.you can go here everytime you want!
i want huge you and hold your hand,dude! you are showing to germans who is the boss! germans deserves to be humiliated and treated like bitchs,because they are a people full of sins for what they did in second world war against jews,russians and brazilians(germans scum bags shinked many brazilians sheeps in second world war,and we declared war against them for this)
congratulation,dude.go on! beat the germans right in the face,and dont let they laid with their girls.germans deserves only the worst things in the earth,because they are garbagePROUD BRAZILIAN
25 Apr 2009, 01:15 - Report
some russian in germany
and about the nazis,you russians kicked these nazi scum in second world war,together with americans,brits and brazilians,and you can do it agains if needed! nazis are only a bunch of cowards.PROUD BRAZILIAN
25 Apr 2009, 01:21 - Report
Proud German
You say, we german are racists? You should hear yourselves, idiots. Look at America- it is dirty and pollutes our environment. Many Americans are poor and only a few years ago you seperated blacks and whites in restaurants and other public places.
To those wo are from Englang: I thought you were acountry full of nice people. But what I hear here, convinces me of the opposite. Against some opinions, we are actual one of the most democratic countries in the world.good old german |
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"some russian in gaymany" and "PROUD BRAZILIAN" are wanna-be-wiseguys! You´re calling germans as racists, but you comments are also racist, man!hdghg
25 Apr 2009, 04:27 - Report
some russian in germany
i beggin to suspect you are nazi too...why do all these admiration for that nazi scum?they are coward,and you russians showed they are only pussies! why do you admire germans nazi garbages?PROUD BRAZILIAN
25 Apr 2009, 07:34 - Report
some russian in gaymany
well,i dont like muslins too,but i think nazis and muslins are the same scum.
and i dont agree russia would lost a war against nazis nowadays. i think germany today is very weak,and have no nuclear weapon.russia can destroy germany with a few nuclear missiles.we are in the nuclear age,today a war in europe would be a nuclear war.i am sure that many germans dont support nazism nowadays because they know that a war against nuclear potencies would be suicide.PROUD BRAZILIAN
25 Apr 2009, 08:55 - Report
Why would anyone write such things?
This is crazy. Living anywhere other than home is difficult. I know after living in Germany for the past few months (I am the wife of an American Soldier) that when I return to America I will go out of my way to anyone who is trying to adjust to a new country. It's hard, regardless of the situation. Most of the Germans I have met are helpful when I ask for help. They are reserved, yes, but that is not the same as being rude or mean. However, to read some of these comments how people feel American Soldiers should be used as fuel makes me sick in a way that I can not explain in words. How dare you? Let me clue you in, my husband is in Iraq and I assure you, he along with 99.9% of them would much rather be home. Do you think he wants to miss the birth of his daughter or his son's first day of school. No! He doesn't. Like most of us in the world, we're currently living with the consequences of someone else's very bad decision. Most Americans, most Germans, most people I imagine are just doing the best they can everyday for their family. I think if we all remember that most of the horrible things expressed on this message board would go away.Won't say for fear you'll turn me into fuel...
25 Apr 2009, 10:10 - Report
some russian in gaymany
Russenschwein!!!Goldrausch
25 Apr 2009, 11:03 - Report
Goldrausch
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ein deutscher der mich Schwein nennt.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Pass mal lieber auf deine Schwester auf.
Sonst kommen Mahmud und Igor. :psome russian in gaymany
26 Apr 2009, 10:09 - Report
Wieso denn?
Wie hätte ich dich denn sonst nennen sollen?
Schwein passt gut zu euch Visagen des Ostblocks.
Und eine Schwester habe ich nicht!Goldrausch
26 Apr 2009, 04:02 - Report
zomfg
@ Goldrausch
Seit ein paar Wochen bemühe ich mich, hier eine halbwegs niveauvolle Diskussion zu führen, und dann kommen solche Nasen wie du hier an, die nichts besseres zu tun haben, als ihren verbalen Müll abzulassen!!!
@ some russian in germany
deine Kommentare gehen mir übrigens genauso auf den Sack!!!the happy german
26 Apr 2009, 05:24 - Report
HAPPY GERMAN
damned germans! write in english,bunch of nazis! what are you talking here! i dont understand one word in your damned german language,aka barbarian language!
WRITE IN ENGLISH HERE,FOR EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT ARE YOU TALKING!german hater
26 Apr 2009, 07:02 - Report
Deutsche
Macht mal was gegen die Moslems, dann können wir euch auch leiden.
Aber solche Schwuchteln wie ihr im Moment seid braucht echt niemand.some russian in gaymany
26 Apr 2009, 08:07 - Report
@ german hater
I just wrote to "Goldrausch" and "Some Russian", that they should stop their infantile verbal slander.
BTW, "verbal slander": Stop your intellectually undemanding comments. I am not inured to such unobjective controversies.the happy german
26 Apr 2009, 09:02 - Report
Russe
Ob du mich leiden kannst oder nicht,geht mir am Arsch vorbei.
Besser isses sogar,wenn du mich nicht magst.
Ich möchte nicht von Russen gemocht werden.
Dann lieber vom gesamten Rest der Welt Ami-Arschkriecher.Goldrausch
27 Apr 2009, 12:19 - Report
und jetzt verpiss dich
aus diesem Forum und aus Deutschland.
Ich hab kein Bock mich mit dir zu beschäftigen.
Das ist Energieverschwendung.
Ich geh jetzt eine Russin knallen.
Tschüss RussenschweinGoldrausch
27 Apr 2009, 12:24 - Report
Klaus, my old friend!
Aw, you sure know how to hurt a girl! I'm not insecure a bit about my name, in fact I'm kinda proud it's so unique sounding. Thanks for the tip about the paper bag, though. I didn't know people wear one when given strange names. Then again, it may make ..ah.. coitus a little more exciting, if you dig that kind of thing.
Anyway, I'm pretty neutral when it comes to comparing the CULTURE between Uncle Sam and Germany. Culture... changes over time, you see. I'm sorry you didn't know that. BTW, I am half-Frenchy, although I've lived in the West all my life.
I said in my last post that I despise the GOVERNMENTS of the two aforementioned countries, moreso the USA's one, due to various reasons beyond the scope of this discussion. It's a political thing.
I still stand by my statement of this whole thread being funny... because it is. You get anti-Americans and anti-Germans taking the piss out of each other, ha ha.
Hey! Attention all neo-Nazis and white supremacists and people of similar ilk, come in and join the fun! Amuse us all with your arguments! Don't thank me, thank dear Klaus and his/her/its jaw-dropping statement that one must conform to a country's culture in order to fit in! Woah, I so did not know that!
BTW Klaus, I think I'll need your map.Tomia Muset
27 Apr 2009, 07:17 - Report
Frieden
Peace,please!Some german
27 Apr 2009, 10:14 - Report
I Love Germany
I am from the USA and I just returned from Germany vacation. It was my first time ever out of the USA and I loved every minute of it. Not one single place I went did I ever have a hard time or get any mean attitude because I only speak English. Everyone in Frankfurt was very willing to speak English as best they could and everyone was friendly and helpful. Everyone goes about with their life and minds their own business, which in America everyone minds every one elses business, but in Germany they do not bother you. But ask a question, or ask for some help and they are warm and friendly people and I fell in love with Germany and will be back many more times in the future.Russell Dutra
28 Apr 2009, 05:15 - Report
21st century Asian-American
Yo! YO! What’s up! WHAT’S UP! ^_^ Oh my god! I spent three nights to read all 19 pages of comments here, and it’s so fun to read. This forum is like the late night TV show to me, and it made me laugh all the time.
There is only one thing that I want to address here. If and only if Germany start the war to America! I will protect America like old school kamikaze. I wouldn’t mind to die for her, and I meant it seriously.
I believe that if you lose twice in the war, and you will lose the third time in the war!
USA! USA! USA!California, San Francisco
29 Apr 2009, 12:04 - Report
Forgetting history?
Yes Germany has beautiful country and at this point in history one can find mild-mannered krauts, but to deny what they've 'contributed' to humanity, and the proven disposition of an evil people is naive. Have we changed in our ideals over the years so much as Americans? No. Watch movies such as The Pianist, that's what Germans have on their resume. I'd hire a fucking monkey first.Nice German
30 Apr 2009, 07:04 - Report
It's so sad
It’s very sad that we can’t talk about positive sides of another countries, about our common things. Why do you write so much bad words about each other? It has no sense, because it destroy tolerance, peace. I’m a Polish and my huseband is a German. We have 2 daughters and we are so happy. My huseband is very sensitive, responsible and carrying man and I love him so much. I know the facts about the second world war, but I can’t think only about it and be closed for Germans. The second world war is the past, we have to remember about it and that’s all. Germans aren’t nazis, aren’t ugly etc. They are so polite, so helpful, so warm people. I’ve lived in Berlin since 2003 and I can’t imagine better place to live for me and my family. People who have never been in Germany or have been only for short time can’t talk about Germans because they don’t know them at all. You have to live here to make your real opinion.Diana aus Berlin
30 Apr 2009, 05:23 - Report
hey,polish girl
leave you german husband,and stay with me,cute polish girl.i want f. your ass very very hard like your german husband never did!brazilian
01 May 2009, 03:16 - Report
To Diana aus Berlin
Yuo said: "The second world war is the past, we have to remember about it and that’s all."
How about World War One? You properly will say the same thing.
So let me apply your rule again! Let ALLIES kill more Germans in the future, so it will become past, then we have to remember about it and that’s all.
Sincerely
AmericanLos Angeles, Arcadia
01 May 2009, 06:22 - Report
yeah...
It's really amazing to see what people are willing to do when they believe to serve their country, isn't it?
http://en.wikipedia...ture_and_prisoner_abuse boredom sucks
01 May 2009, 12:13 - Report
to American and brazilian
brazilian, why are you so unpolite? It's so bad if every brasilian man is like you. I didn't say anything bad about you, so what made you agresive? You should respect another people, specially if you don't know them. You’ve probably never been in Germany and you really don’t know about its culture, life style etc. My huseband would never use that words to another women.
American,
what we should do in your opinion? Should we hate each other? Should we learn our children to be closed for people from another country?
I don't think so, because it's not a solution.
Each of us is different, we are from another parts of the world, why, as I said, don't we look for something what is common for us? Why can't we talk about our positive sides?
I’ve never been in America but I don’t dislike American. I like American movies, music etc. I like Italian food because it’s delicious and I love British clothes, French ice-cream, German cars etc. Is it bad? I like meeting people from another country and knowing other culture. Everyone is different and everyone is special. We can’t still thing about the past, because we are a new generation. We should do everything to the next world war would never happen.Diana aus Berlin
01 May 2009, 04:35 - Report
Re Nice German
having had the misfortune to grow up in Germany as a child and for a while also in my teens before returning for three years to see how I really felt and, I suppose, to give the country a chance, I was so glad when I stumbled upon this forum. These are my experiences in Germany and I have to admit here that unfortunately, I was fully integrated i.e. spoke the language like a native, went to the same schools as my peers and could easily have been mistaken for a German. I've lived in several different countries and even in the ones said to be reserved, have integrated extremely well, even in those places where I didn't speak the language.
There are good and bad people everywhere but nowhere have I been constantly threatened every step of the way. Some examples: as a child, one of my best friends was Turkish, whenever we were on the playground together, parents would move their children away.
Auslaenderdeutsch. My parents always spoke the language with an accent and never very well and the amount of people who addressed them with the familiar "du" would fill volumes, even the mother of a schoolfriend couldn't bring herself to speak slower but instead had to resort to deliberately mangled grammar and of course speak in a louder voice. This is extremely hard to deal with as a child, now I tell them off of course but as a child, when you are taught to respect your elders, it's a whole different story.
anti-Semitism. subtle and less so. Teachers were recquired to talk about the Holocaust in German class as well as in History. Most did the minimum, if that. Only one teacher went out of his way to really make his students read and even brought in other books, movies, suggested follow-up material. He was not of German origin though. Meanwhile, the History teacher made it very clear that "the number of Jews killed wasn't as high as they claim it was". And this in a class of Neonazis. I have to give credit to a German art teacher though, who took the Neonazi's sidekick to task. And I didn't even like that art teacher particularly but that gesture I always respected. Only one girl ever stood up to another Neonazi who was spreading lies about me. And that's in a school of about 800 people. And Neonazi events did have cops for backup but they were always standing very far away so that if anything happened, they would a) not see it in time and b) would rather gang up on some innocent foreigner who may have had too much too drink or just looked foreign. Even my mom had cops come up to her and ask her where she's from only to be told, "aren't you scared to walk the streets here" in a threatening manner. Even in school, there was no one to turn to. When I mentioned to the Vertrauenslehrer (a teacher, to whom you can bring all your issues)that the Neonazi had insulted me, his comment was, "but you called him an asshole, so I would watch what I say." And this from a liberal.
People not wanting to rent to foreigners, European or otherwise. What also cracks me up are the people who say things like "it's a pity what happened to the Jews and others in the Holocaust" but then turn around and bash Turks and other nationalities. But the minute they hear that you're from a country they think is cool or from the UK and France, they kiss your behind big time.
That sense of Ueberheblichkeit, that condescending arrogance. Not just in Germany but also abroad. Where I live now there are many Germans coming and the way they behave is . . . well, you have to see it to believe it, demanding they be let in to clubs and bars even when the guy at the door tells them that the place is too packed, asking him why he's so mad when he's speaking in a quiet voice and just tells them politely that he can't let them in. But at the same time there is also cowardice, they can only do this when they have backup and they have to make sure that they have said backup first. I also find it ironic that when in Germany, people will openly tell me, this is how we see foreigners, Jews, the Holocaust and then, when I point out that after all, I am one, too I always get, "oh but that's different."
These are just a few examples of what I've encountered and this was in one of the most economically stable area.I should also mention that my parents both dealt with this much better, my mom still likes Germany and my dad would also try and impress on me, that just because someone's grandfather was a Nazi, that doesn't make them one. But the incidences and facts speak for themselves. There are a few Germans I manage to be friends with, three altogether.
I find this interesting because as I mentioned, I was fully integrated, spoke the language and could have been taken for a German easily. And while some things are the same everywhere, crappy bureaucracy, annoying incidents and so on, I can usually shrug it off, except in Germany. I think that with countries it is like with people, some you like, some you don't and others you might learn to like over time. And you should by all means be open-minded and accept that things are different. And somehow, knowing all that, I still am unable to do that with Germany and I admit, based on all these things growing up and then again when I went back, I don't even want to.Globetrotter
01 May 2009, 05:15 - Report
just read it !!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWII
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Genocide
http://en.wikipedia..._Loser_(U.S._TV_series) no-name
01 May 2009, 09:44 - Report
just read it !!!
correction for third link.
http://en.wikipedia...es_during_the_Holocaust no-name
01 May 2009, 10:05 - Report
Are German women as ugly as everyone says they are?
Swiety
Hello German friends,
I'm planning to be at the World Cup this summer. However, all my life I have been hearing that German women are possibly the ugliest on the planet.
That's kind of a worrying thing, since I'm gonna be in Germany for at least a month.
How do you guys deal with the problem? Is it something you get used to?
Rumour has it that many German men opt for Czech, Polish and Brazilian women instead. Is this true?
Cheers
Hitz
well i think we all know Heidi klum, Claudia Schiffer, Nadja Auermann,....
and we all know the polish girls because a lot of them live here and the most of them looks incredible ugly..Do you mean the hores?? the most of them are from Poland. Lol
Michael_Melka
no they aren't because the polish women are the ugliest on the planet !
If you live in Poland just take a look around, my friend !
The only good aspect of polish women is that they are the cheapest prostitutes with big tits!!
Swiety
Hello Hitz, thanks for responding,
But do you really think these freaks called supermodels are really that good looking?
Let call a spade a spade. Nadja Auermann looks like a character from a sci-fi film. And that looks great on a fashion runway, but there's no way that's really attractive.
Most German women I've seen looked like men, to be honest. Is there something in the water over there or what?
MRC
Swiety, Poland's retarded patriot is back again posting more garbage... if you're looking for a wind-up at least make it a little humorous my jewish friend.
Go back to your little playground and scheme up some more threads you sad little git...
http://www.polishso...um/viewtopic.php?t=6611
But hey, at least we can thank the Poles for their part in mail-order brides satisfying the millions of ugly men out there... Swiety, was your mother fed-Ex to Australia? You breed ugly with ugly and you get ugly... at least there's no cross-breeding.
Burger
poland is such a ridiculously country. Now without the pope they have nothing to be proud of.http://www.busty.pl/
01 May 2009, 10:20 - Report
http://www.busty.pl/
How old are you? 13? 10? I've never met such immature and infantile man.Diana aus Berlin
01 May 2009, 10:34 - Report
I'm agree with Diana
I'm a German woman and I think we shouldn't offend people we don't know. We all have positive and negative sides and we all want to be happy. Make peace, not war Khira
02 May 2009, 05:52 - Report
Leck mich am A.
THIS THREAD IS SO STUPID.
CLOSED.LMAA
02 May 2009, 11:54 - Report
Hi Khira
Let rest of the world kill Germans one more time, then we can have peace. That is called even.Los Angeles, Arcadia
04 May 2009, 11:21 - Report
Poland Patriot
Poland Patriot,
to co według ciebie powinnismy zrobić? zyc tym co wydarzyło się w przeszłosci? mojego meza poznałam akurat w polsce i przez długi czas mieszkalismy tam, jednak ze wzgledu na to ze oboje jestesmy wykształceni przenieslismy sie do berlina, bo tam dostalismy prace na tych samych stanowiskach co w polsce ale o wiele lepiej płatna.czemu mam byc przeciwko niemcom? mieszkam tu tyle lat i nigdy nikt nie dał mi odczuc, ze mnie nie akceptuje. spojrz na sytuacje w polsce, na ten kraj bezprawia, w którym człowiek wszechstronnie wykształcony nie moze znalezc dobrej pracy. na wszystkich wyzszych stanowiskach rzadza starzy komunisci, którzy nie dopuszcza by ktos inny zajał ich miejsce. tego mam bronic? nie zrozum mnie zle, bo nie jestem przeciwko polsce, ale osobiscie wole zyc w niemczech.Diana aus Berlin
04 May 2009, 03:03 - Report
Poland Patriot
a druga sprawa, wcale nie czuje sie "lepsza" z tego powodu, ze mieszkam w berlinie, ja i moj maz chcemy po prostu aby nasze corki miały lepsze zycie i mieszkały tam gdzie beda mogly sie zrealizowac.twoja generalizacja ze kazdy niemiec jest zly prowadzi do nikad.Khira
04 May 2009, 03:24 - Report
cannot agree more with Re Nice German
Germany sucks! not just Americans have problems with these poeple. I'm from China and I have the same exact negative opinons about germans too, unfortunately. I've been here for 8years now. The longer I live here, the less I like these people here. never met anybody so arrogant ane ignorant anywhere else in the world before.huimiller
04 May 2009, 10:06 - Report
German women
I actually thought Heidi Klum and Nadja Auermann were the same person. They look very alike, like strict and angry high school teachers or farm girls, both without much charm. I much prefer Kate Moss, or Milla-Jovovich. I used to have a Polish girlfriend, she had beautiful light blue eyes and always complained that German women were not feminine. German women are certainly not hairy, like some people believe but they tend to have big boney faces and jaws. I have met some nice ones though, even if they are not all that good- looking.Aussie guys seeks hot local
05 May 2009, 07:35 - Report
The real face of Germany
Americans, i think your problem is, that you are the mightiest country in the world! You hate your friends! We´re no nazis, fool! We have no national pride, because off the Nazis!!! We´re also not bavarians!!! Leather trousers are only worn at festivals, but only in bavaria! We´re the second mightiest nation on the world, and the most of us see america as a good friend! You call us stereotypes??? Germans can be funny and nice, like everybody in the world! You´re the stereotype! Its ok, if you don´t like Germany, but you must respect us! Without Germany, this world would be in the middle ages! Who invented for example the computer? A american??? We´re europeans and without us, you would live in europe! Maybe in Germany! Maybe a ancestor of you is german... All people who said good things about Germany are liberal and nice! Dumbasses shut up!Nürnberger
11 May 2009, 06:14 - Report
Racisism against germans=this thread
You Must be f***ing mad. Germany is one of the most beutiful countries of the World. Occasionally, north Germans are a little cold, but thats due to all the russians that moved there. In the south, we are famous for hospitality. Germany has one of the worlds best ecconomies. ( look out, america!) germany is by far my favorite country in the world.50€ in da hood
11 May 2009, 06:42 - Report
I'm damn proud to be a german
That's rite, and I'm no nazi. I'm telling you we Germans can have pride about our country just like you ameicans. I was there. I saw that wall. That was all I could see of my beloved Germany for years. And let me tell you, when I was there, and I heard those words, "tear down this wall" and the cheers of the entire nation were going on behind me.. I was proud to be a german. I was filled with a sense of pride for my nation. I felt as if our planet had given us a second chance. A chance for us to try again. After all the horrors that happend here, we were once more, a part of the moral planet. And look at us today! After going thru 2 economic breakdowns, we have the strongest ecconomy in Europe. I'm damn proud of Germany. I'm damn proud to be a germanProud german 090
12 May 2009, 04:46 - Report
proud german 090
yes,yes,you are proud and so on.now ,get in your knees ,and suck my cockPROUD BRAZILIAN
12 May 2009, 05:32 - Report
Proud brazilian
I would but it's so small I can't find itProud german 090
12 May 2009, 06:19 - Report
This entire blog is ridiculus
This blog makes no sense. This was started by twelve year olds who played to much call of duty 5AwqaaddsgzdjffHgsgjtstxfyrihdoli
12 May 2009, 06:23 - Report
Drop it fag
This blog is so gay. I take no sides but this seems to be the STUPIDEST blog out there. The way I see it there are a few possibilities: 1 the person who started this blog is posting again and again about german hate posing as other people (very likley) 2 a couple of 12 year olds got their hands on a ww2 game and think Germans are Nazis and the olny place they belong is in the ground. 3 pissed off soccer fans (tho the seeson is over) 4 french people are tierd of all the France sucks blogs and started 1 about Germany 5 someones jelaus of germany (and u should be) 6 Ur a cluless american fläg waving twat who hattes everything that isnt Red white and blu 7 a german Stole ur girlfriend (although the bloggers are gay) 8 u suck at everthing. 9 u went to new York thinking it's Berlin. 10 u are a neonazi pissed that germany hates u and wants u outGermanyiscool
12 May 2009, 09:57 - Report
germans are a bunch of freak perverts
the citzen,congratulations.i dont understand too why alied forces allowed german to be independent after world war two.i think they would have became germany in a nuclear or chemical waste deposit or something like that.
germanyscool,go to hell!if you defende a country like germany,you must be nazi too!PROUD BRAZILIAN
13 May 2009, 12:23 - Report
United States Sucks
Americans are full of themselves. I am not German nor American. Americans think they know better than the rest of the world. They don't understand the meaning of "enjoying life, taking a vacation" you guys just work, work...80% of Americans never left this country and still they judge every other nation. Why? Because you all are brainwashed. Most of you don't know where to find Indiana, Wyoming or other states on the map. The only places Americans go to are fast food restaurants that's why 60% of the population is obese!!! There are so many beautiful places out there...but most of Americans don't know that they exist...Please shut up and stop judging others because this country is no better.Nobody
13 May 2009, 01:56 - Report
Germany is awesome
U are a clueless twat with no life. I'm contacting the admins of this site, see if they can pull this (and any other racist blog) from this site. Ps Hitler wasnt german, he was austrian!Germanboi
13 May 2009, 06:45 - Report
R
Your right they have lost the meaning of life,
which maybe is:
life is short be nice each other,
it's better.Robert Ward
13 May 2009, 09:17 - Report
american people act like hitler
i ama german and I visited america. well, i can't find really big differences. just that americans dont eat healthy food and that everything's bigger. i met a lot of really rude and unfriendly people, but also nice ones.
thats pretty normal.
that hitler was alive and everything is a long long time ago and nobody really still thinks of that.
but when I see such comments from americans that write that germany and germans sucks its relly CLEAR to see that THEY act racist.
obviously the people that visited germany had bad luck, because germany has pretty places, and pretty people. just look at german topmodels
soo, please act nice. Germany and America are great places.
get it or not. if not don't be annoying and racist americans!bee
14 May 2009, 08:19 - Report
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i ama german and I visited america. well, i can't find really big differences. just that americans dont eat healthy food and that everything's bigger. i met a lot of really rude and unfriendly people, but also nice ones.
thats pretty normal.
that hitler was alive and everything is a long long time ago and nobody really still thinks of that.
but when I see such comments from americans that write that germany and germans sucks its relly CLEAR to see that THEY act racist.
obviously the people that visited germany had bad luck, because germany has pretty places, and pretty people. just look at german topmodels
soo, please act nice. Germany and America are great places.
get it or not. if not don't be annoying and racist americans!nixx
14 May 2009, 08:21 - Report
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Germany isnt full of nazis. YOU sound like a nazi and act very racist.
you suck. Germany is pretty everywhere and germans are pretty too.
you should start enjoying your life, its full of hate.none
15 May 2009, 05:50 - Report
I HATE GERMANS
I hate Germans. Germany, as a country, is spectacular. I've never seen a more beautiful country. It saddens me that it has to be inhabited by the most annoying race of people I've ever encountered.
I spent 6 years living in Italy, and have been in Germany since 2007. In that time, I have travelled all over Europe and north Africa and met many many wonderful people from all over...EXCEPT Germany.
Let me list the reasons why:
1. Germans are exceptionally nosey and LOVE to meddle in the business of others over trivial matters. I think spying on their neighbors is the national pass-time. This is the only place I've ever seen where you can get in trouble for using a chainsaw on Sunday, letting your dog out on a balcony, or driving 3 mph over the speed limit (in the middle of no where).
2. They are HORRIBLE drivers. They pride themselves as great drivers, but this is pure nonsense. Driving FAST does not equate to driving WELL. I have never seen a race of people unable to merge into traffic without causing huge traffic jams. They simply can't do it! Drive on any autobahn long enough and you'll eventually encounter a "stau" caused by nothing more than 3 lanes merging into two. It's retarded and exacerbated by their aggressively fast driving. Also, they try to treat driving like it's some sort of art-form or like flying: they have so many stupid laws and regulations.....you'd think you were going on an international flight plan instead of on a high-way.
3. German food SUCKS. Let me sum up a typical German meal: pork and potatoes. Enjoy. Granted, they have dozens of ways to prepare their pork and potatoes, but at the end of the day, a fried pork-chop is all you are having. If there weren't millions of Sicilians and folks from Naples living in Germany, they wouldn't have ANY good restaurants.
4. The German language makes me want to vomit. It must be the worst sounding language in the world. Every conversation sounds like an interogation. I'd rather listen to someone's nails being scratched on a chalk-board than listen to the German language.
5. Old German women do stupid things to their hair. Germany is the only place I have EVER seen anyone, other than a rock band, color their hair pink, green, purple, or red and think it looks nice or appropriate. I'm not talking about 13 year old girls either...oh no! I'm talking about 50 and 60 year old haus-fraus. It looks ridicuous and these people need to be smacked.
6. Germans love to be miserable. They must, otherwise there is no logical explanation for all fo their ridiculous rules, policies, and laws they have. I wouldn't be surprised if, somewhere in German law, their is a regulation covering the correct way to wipe one's ass. You very likely need a license for it. to obtain the license, you must attend a 6 month school that costs 10,000 euro, and then, after all that, your neighbors have to be able to watch to ensure you don't use more than the bare minimum amount of toilet paper. Ever wonder why the Germans are so perverted and into kinky sex? It's because their daily lives are like living in the book, "1984".
7. Germans always have been and always will be racisits. They absolutley hate foreigners of all walks, but especially Americans. Never mind the fact that Americans living in Germany dump millions of dollars into the local communities where the bases are. Never mind the fact that it was AMERICA, not NATO or the UN, who kept the Russian T-72s out of the Fulda Gap for 60 years. It was also, OUR President Reagan who was responsible for the reunification of East and West Germany. Frankly, I believe that after we kicked their asses in two huge World Wars in the last century and then protected them from the Russians who would have drained Germany for everything it had and forced them to speak Russian, these people should show more respect to America.
Anyways, like I said, Germany is a magnificently beautiful country. Their forrests and mountain ranges are world class and I respect them for their efficiency in managing their natural resources. However, I think the best that Germany ever had to offer were all killed in WWI and WWII. As a result, their gene pool has been tainted and "thinned out" by all the unfit and weak, which has resulted in the mincing, prying, and deceitful race of people currently inhabiting the area between France and Eastern Europe.
I'm leaving Germany soon, but not soon enough. As my time here draws closer to an end, I take satisfaction in knowing that Germans, as a race will never be able to spread beyond their borders, as they did in the first half of the 20th century, because their Army is a joke...a force of conscripts who couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
I can't wait to leave this place and pray I never come back.Angry Dave |
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germany SUCKS (to 70%)
Well Germans WERE in the past really sad and stuff but when i was there I didn't see any sad people at all.ô.0 now u might think that ALL german are racist, but they arn't just some of the old fox and some stupid kids but u'll find those all over the world even in our home the usa. and I know what i'm saying coz ive been there for like 4years. and berlin isn't that bad. I think lots of people thing germany is racist because of all the kanacks (the turkish) that run around, blast innocent germans, sell dope, knive eachother..and so on.. but the fact is that germany isn't that bad. BUT it's boring ur right. well and u know what? the broken english THEY speak isn't at all as we think it is
a least facts is. who invented the kkk, germany? nopetimthomas
17 May 2009, 01:43 - Report
geerd
Some germans are good some germans are bad(and all of them are fat : but germany as a country is very dirty and many places in germany are like ghettos,i really don't understand how people live in this country.16
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23 May 2009, 09:31 - Report
u no good germnary
hi
um u no good
no make fun of Germnary
nasi dont live anymore today
amazing kimchi
come to koreayeuchi kim
25 May 2009, 02:57 - Report
re: u no good germnary
hello ^_^
I form Korea to but not norht, they're are dictators @_@ i no follow Kim Jung IL bekaurse he he is a Communist. I agree with Yeuchi- no make fun Germnary goood place, Hitler nice man he klean land form jewrs, he invent UBOT and Many other things.Gyeongju Kim
25 May 2009, 03:31 - Report
oh my god !
what kind of people write here..i was just looking for some info. about Germany but this foro is patetic..
And you Korean how could you talk about "cleaning" or ("Klean how you wrote) if that were real you were not able to be in Germany ..!
usa people are such a ignorant group of people....
25 May 2009, 06:45 - Report
My trip was horrible
I went to Germany with an open mind thinking all that I heard about the people of Germany were stereotypes. I met many friendly and kind people, no doubt, so I would not want to tarnish the name of German folk, especially since in every country you have good and bad apples. However, I will never go back. I was traveling with children and in a rush to catch the train back to Litchenstein and thus, forgot to get our ticket for the metro. I thought, it was possible to pay a premium once on the train, as we do in the States if you do not have time to get your ticket. Well, I was mistaken. It was a huge hurrah. "40 euros" screamed a gentlemen. Who manhandled me all the way to the cash machine until I paid him. I was uncertain of the procedure and a bit scared, and as I tried to explain to him that I would just like to go to the ticket office to pay my premium, he screamed at my children and I. I was shaking and terrified and never in my life treated this way, all for a forgotten train ticket. I understand that this could be an isolated case, however, because of my experience and treatment, I will never spend money or visit that country again. It was too traumatizing over a mistake and small infraction.Neveragain
25 May 2009, 09:09 - Report
^,-
What the hell is wrong with you peepol?!? A am a korean living in Aremica, and it disgust me to see how racist people here. Korea is not bad and why cant we all just have pease?
Yeuchi, how old you are? I show you good time and you pay kimchi, yes? Parents say I bad girl, but you know girls just wanna have fun -,^Kandee Lee
26 May 2009, 01:26 - Report
re: my trip was horrible
omg wtf well i am assuming that you are american...and i kinda have to say that you deserved everything that happened to you. haven't you ever heard the phrase "when in rome, do as the romans do"? same thing applies to every other country T.T we're not in america where you can just act however you want...if you want a monotonous, culture-depraved experience, then you should just have stayed there. haven't you ever heard of the policy we have on trains and tickets? it's plastered ALL OVER our trains and trainstations O.o it says if you get caught without a ticket (as MANY americans tend to do) then you have to pay a fine of 40 euros. now, are you suggesting that we break our own laws and policies, just so that YOU, someone who broke OUR clearly stated policies, don't have to pay the fine? are you saying that the law shouldn't apply to you?
p.S. you are right that IS an isolated incident. i myself have ridden the train tons of times without a ticket, and when i DID get caught, i paid the fine, BUT i was never screamed at OR manhandled -.-*niQue
26 May 2009, 01:36 - Report
Whoa..
I'm an American, love my country and proud, and I came here to defend Germany, I lived there for four years, it was pretty and the people were generally nice.
But then I came here and all I could find was Germans hating on America, running their mouth about the same ole typical stereotypes, "Americas fat, Americas dumb"(when statistics prove both those sterotypes incorrect)
The thing is, the "Nazi" German stereotype and the "dumb fat American" stereotypes are both worn out, old, and untrue.
It's time to let it go.
Besides, why are we hating on each other, when France and England(which Both actually DO suck) are still there to harass?God Bless the USA
26 May 2009, 07:25 - Report
uni
I can tell you all for sure that German Universities are awful.german hater
27 May 2009, 11:24 - Report
germany sucks
Germany sure is lousy place, at least the in the east. Its hard to have a positive attitude about a place when, for example, you get off the train and there are skinheads drinking beer and staring at you (in the morning)...or perhaps you go to the gym and the gentleman next to you in the locker room has a tattoo of interlacing swastikas up his entire leg. The universities are terrible as well- So disorganized that sometimes its like studying in a circus.andy
27 May 2009, 11:37 - Report
@timthomas
Greetings from Ostwestfalen,where you come from.native
27 May 2009, 05:05 - Report
Typical
Isn´t it typical of Germans - they can dish it out but they cant take it. They are the best people in the world with the best of everything - the rest of us are inferior compared to them. They may not say it to your face, but they sure will let you feel it if you´re a foreigner. That is, unless they need something or can mooch off of you. That´s just how it is, sorry.Sorry
28 May 2009, 11:57 - Report
c,mon you lot!!
I don't think Germans are that bad!!! they have the same social problems as anywhere else!! Skinheads staring at you in the morning??? thats normal in England too!! over 40% of British men don't know what to do with thier hair and therefore, shave it all off.
i've lived in Holland and Germany, and whilst i have absolutley no problem with America, you Yanks pointblank refuse to speak the native language (or even try!!!) even if you fully understand it!! That mind-set is going to get thier backs up. If your in thier country, then try to respect thier customs. Even if you don't speak German, try?? In my experience they will either polietly correct you or start speaking english anyway but respect you for trying.
as for Germany's neo-nazis, we have the national front and the BNP, but no-one takes them seriously. I think the world learned its lesson last time fascism got brave and we all had to sort it!!!pro-europe brit!
30 May 2009, 01:14 - Report
just dumpish
this comment before is describing the sense of this thread. Just dumpish.flyin dutch
04 Jun 2009, 07:08 - Report
German F*cks.
this comment before has the looks of a German douchbag. No style and no originality.
Germans have nothing to be proud of. They should walk around in shame for everything that they've done to various nations of people. The list of their victims is endless and stretches from Africa (during colonial times) to America (during WWII) and to Europe (pratically the whole continent, including the holocost). Germans have no souls. They are heartless and cruel...a blight on the human race.TRUTH
04 Jun 2009, 07:17 - Report
Har
above cannot refute a thing I have said.
The Dutch...another group of useless people.TRUTH
04 Jun 2009, 09:06 - Report
Irony of Ironies
Ah, but the Dutch have practiced racism very well indeed, inflicted terribly upon the people in their former colonies, along with their German counterparts, so I find it...ironic to be called a racist by the very people who are the progenitors of the concept. Germany and the Netherlands--two nations riddled with cunts and douchbags. Neo-Nazi riddled subhumans.TRUTH
04 Jun 2009, 09:15 - Report
last comment
"The Dutch...another group of useless people."
and u think u r not a racist? ok. continue livin in ya dreamworld,maaan.
I think u don´t gonna be happy. stay in ya closet and watch ya hitlerposter.flyin dutch
04 Jun 2009, 09:29 - Report
idiot above does not address the points I've made.
Above, still is not addressing the points that I presented in my paragraphs. This is because he is AFRAID of the TRUTH, so he chooses to ignore what I've written and instead go off on a tangent.
Also, I suggest you pick up a book and read, you ignorant worm. The last time I check, the Dutch and German were NATIONALITIES. Not RACES. So stop playing the RACE CARD, you dumb cunt. what's the matter with you, were you dropped on your head whilst you were a baby?TRUTH
04 Jun 2009, 09:41 - Report
Coward Dutchman
This idiot Dutch picks and chooses what he wants to address, staying away from the most important points that I've made, because they are to dangerous for him to discuss. And he knows they are TRUE.
How about, instead of latching onto useless side comments, why don't you cofront and address the meat of my argument? The evils that were inflicted by Germany onto various countries on this planet? The racism and bigotry practiced by the Dutch on the people in the former colonies? Why don't you address what really counts, you cowardly cunt.TRUTH
04 Jun 2009, 09:45 - Report
LAM-O
i agree. Franziska is lame....Mike
04 Jun 2009, 09:59 - Report
why i´ve discuss wiv ya smattering?
its not a card,it´s the truth. sr...to confront ya wiv this fact.
and sorry....it makes no sense to discuss wiv a ignorant RACIST who argue wiv defamations. i enjoyed an education based on moral and ethics where is no place for such a shameful attitude.
Really funny... iam studying slawic history in Cracow and don´t need discuss wiv ya dangerous smattering.
stay dribbling in front of ya poster!flyin dutch
04 Jun 2009, 10:02 - Report
@truth
Shut up with your racist comments.....truth
@flyindutch.... agree with you. But its useless to talk with such a person.
Rasista da merda! Nao tems argumentes nenums.......so ar quente! Pensa melhor o que falas antes de abrir a boca.....em que mundo e que vives???????Marinho
04 Jun 2009, 10:15 - Report
Pathetic...simple just.
Your people are racist and evil. And you attempt to cover it up.That's why you won't discuss what I have pointed out. How typical for your kind, I am hardly suprised.
Also Dutchman, I suspect that you lack the mental capacity to have any sort of complex conversation...aside from your nonsensical blurts crying racism and your illegible writing, and poor syntax and grammar, you have no valid point, no argument. I doubt your small brain can form one, even if your life depended on it. You have been given ample opportunity to produce a suitable rebuttal, but you have failed. In every way. I suppose I shouldn't blame you, as losing is in your blood. A characteristic of a nation of weakings and sycophants.TRUTH
04 Jun 2009, 10:43 - Report
Where are you from?
@Truth. You´re the acme of racism. You are the argument. And why you speak in this colonial language? Also, it doesn´t need to read books to know that there were colonies in africa, america, asia, australia within brutal acts. And stop speaking of blood. It smells like a speach of Hitler. tu déconnes! restes dans le placard! Monde n´a pas besoin de ce putain de raciste!!!
richard*richard*
04 Jun 2009, 11:35 - Report
makes no sense
@Truth (whatever you are from) Why you want to discuss about the fact of colonies? And what sense makes it about the personality of persons.? While you generalise everything you argue racist. Perhaps you have to read some books about racism.
Sorry for my english!!!Bjôrn
04 Jun 2009, 11:57 - Report
French Fried Faggot
Quiet you Frog eating cunt. You're one to talk. Why don't you go run away and hide? It is what you people do best.
Defending the xenophobic behavior of the Germans makes you a Nazi sympathizer. You filthy froggie French. Your women do not clean their bodies and have yet to implement razors for their hairy armpits and minge.TRUTH
05 Jun 2009, 12:48 - Report
Kraus
@BJorn, not only should you be apologetic about your poor language skills, you should also apologize for your pathetic existance. You are an oxygen waster. You Nazi cunt. The fact that you are asking me why I want to discuss colonialism speaks volumes. Only a person with much to hide, and who wants to ignore the atrocities they've inflicted on others would ask such a question. You ugly boring German. A nation of sexual deviants and degenerates. That's all you are!TRUTH
05 Jun 2009, 12:54 - Report
look.this is germany
http://blogs4brownb...any-land-of-perversion/
GERMANS AND GERMANY IS PURE GARBAGE.THIS IS A PROOFI DISLIKE GERMANY
05 Jun 2009, 03:54 - Report
ANGRY DAVE I love your comment
America is the best
Germany is beautifull, but the people and the laws are just f...d up.tinimini
06 Jun 2009, 12:32 - Report
Sorry tinimini
@tinimini: Sorry for my comment before, but some people are really so green, sick,brutal and racist. u know that i didn´t want to judge about the u.s.a and the people there. everybody is an individual. sorry for that!
But a short question.... why u have your problem wiv the german law? u know that the german law was created together with the u.s.a. in 1949? the main difference between the german and the american law is the germanjudiciary works mainly based on legal texts and the american based on precedent.flyindutch
06 Jun 2009, 04:30 - Report
angry on germans
Of course new german generation diddn't participated in holocaust and most of the countries own those brutality of history.
But I dislike germany because most of germans seems so racists (not all!!!) , if u looks different than germans u'll feel it directly. Ask blacks , asians or black haired people. Everywhere u'll be controled , your neighbors calling police because you are not german. They treating you as a criminal. They still have that racist laws and now wants dictate that ----ing laws on europe. If you germans wants to be racists then ok , only close your fronts and live overthere without any foreign relations. I dont want europe becames like germany , because lots of people wants to be world citizen!!angry on germans
07 Jun 2009, 12:44 - Report
cannnot confirm wiv u
I cannot confirm your opinion. I´m so often in Germany and i noticed a spirit of a big interest in all new and foreign cultures. Yes,...u can also make individual bad experiences. But this u can make in every country. For example I was wiv an afroeuropean fellow student ( german ) in brazil and u.s.a. we had so often problems because of his skincolour. It was so awful. But we know that we don´t have judge about the whole people. Also we have to consider the cultures and the temperament of the natives. In some regions the people are really introverted, some people r very direct, some people r fitted but not honest and some people are extroverted.
I noticed that in all threads here that the people judge about a whole country (equal whether france, germany, uk, nl and...) because of one personal experience. The people have to think about what they do wiv their comment. They judge about other people they don´t know and they use so often superlatives regarding there nation and their ethnic group. This behaviour is nazistic and racist.
So often these comments r written by americans. Please, don´t tell us european how we have to deal wiv the different cultures. You have not the position to judge. Look at europe and the numerous different cultures. we r livin together in peace and we don´t need walls.
Regarding the laws....
please look at the german constitutiontext. Read the first paragraphes and u know that in germany is no possibility for racist laws. also there is a seperation of all powers which contol each other.
Please act wiv respect and lern!flyindutch
07 Jun 2009, 01:58 - Report
Not true, germany is a great place!
Thats not true, i am german love all the other countries (except France, french people with their "baguettes" sucks a bit"! I thought all the americans are great people without prejudices against other countries! Don´t believe what the people claim! The german people love America and the properties and qualities of it! You´re racism, not the german. And not all germans eat pork and german food, and germans don´t call you a snob if u don´t want to eat this crap (yes, i can´t stand this food too, but we are not eating it all the day)!So please be nice, ther 80 millions of germans and most of them are educated! We aren´t dirty and obsolete, these are prjudices! Lies! And most of us hat Nazis and want to electrocute them! WWII is a long time ago, and the today´s generation has no guilt! (p.s: hitler was austrian, and austria is not a part of germany!)Klippklar
07 Jun 2009, 02:13 - Report
flyindutsch
ok I am the last person that would ever judge or disrespect anyone, and I am not saying that all germans suck and are mean, and maybe I havent been here long enough to meet the good ones,but so far I havent met one, and by the way do you people know how to ever smile or is it everyday a bad day.
you guys have the worst customer service, you seem to make things so much harder than they really are,school system I hate it, it pisses me off.there is so many things that I can go on, but honestly i really dont like this place.
and I know what your going to say why not go back to US if you dont like it here, but i have my reasons otherwise i would of quit before my 3 months when they asked for a so many documets for a friken visa that i was never asked on my life time, even my religion, uhhhhh.what the heck does that have to do with me getting a visa here maybe they base that on religion, why ask then.
ok i am gonna go now thats enough and NO i am not fat, because that what you people think of americans tinimini
07 Jun 2009, 03:53 - Report
tinimini
Dear tinimini.
First Iam not a German. I was born in the Netherlands, studied in Germany and now in Poland.
I didn´t say that directly u judge people. I talked in general about the guys who r writin in the whole forum regarding every country or for example the guy who created this thread.
It is definitely ok when u say that u don´t like to be in Germany and u have ya reasons. That´s ok. Everybody makes their experiences and has their reason to like or to dislike something. And this is the sense of this forum. The people have different experiences and want to discuss about that.
But Iam of the people who say for example. .....
Germany sucks, all Germans r racist, all european r criminals....but god kissed my country. the best country ever.
Its the same if i would say.....all americans hate afroamericans, hispanics, moslems, chinese ....r fat and love to make war.
U read the comment of "The Truth". Now, do u think I have to think all americans r like this sick guy?
Everybody loves his country....and this u have to respect.
I also have countries or better to say regions where I have my problems with the natives and his behaviour. For example i have my problems wiv the people in Vlaanderen (Northern Belgium), southern Britain, Schwaben in Germany ( region Stuttgart) or Miami and Floriada in the USA. But I like the people in Texas or Louisiana although they r a little bit provoncial and live retired. I dislike the phony friendliness in some parte of the States.
U r right that Germany has the worst customer service. In german its called " Deutschland, die Servicewüste.". But I think there gonna be a change. There is a new sensibility regarding that theme. I have made the experience that with courtliness, jokes and laughing I get everything. But u have understand each character.
Regarding the visum. Hey...in the States the religion is also ask. Because of the growing terrosism the immigration laws of every country are intensified. Especially in the States.In additon the u.s.a. and europe exchange the facts. And notice that the most people northern africa, iraq, afghanistan, somalia, balkan immigrate to europe and not to the states. the wars r in front of our doors. Furthermore notice that the immigration laws r edited by the european union. so, there cannot be big differences. and for example the strict arrangement at the airports r specified by the u.s.a.
at the end.....
what do u mean wiv "you people"? i ve never said that all americans r fat or something else.
in respect
dag!flyindutch
07 Jun 2009, 09:30 - Report
NN
ur just an idiot, jew or not a jew, ur just ignorant!GERMAN
08 Jun 2009, 05:25 - Report
angry on germans
So if you black haired in most of the cities they wouldn't allow you get into discotheques. Also owners of restaurants or bars they wont have black haired because germans wouldn't go there if there are foreigners!! I know it well because I lived n germany 7years and I traveled lot. Racism exists everywhere but its depending of proportion. I worked as translator in german court and i saw sooo much... that what they do with foreigners, also i have rich experience with police and how they treat them. Even in law they puting illegal foreigners in jail for 1,5years and they can give them again this delay. Just search in internet u'll find lots of things about it.angry on germans
08 Jun 2009, 06:07 - Report
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0,33 regarding to the U.S.A. Sorry....flyindutch
08 Jun 2009, 01:19 - Report
flyindutsch i think we should be friends 
since i moved to germany i dont have any friends tinimini
08 Jun 2009, 04:25 - Report
I don´t need to defend Ger. It´s the fact
"YES,WE HATE GAYS IN BRAZIL,BUT RACISM DONT EXIST IN BRAZIL"
- This comment I don´t need to add something.
http://www1.folha.u...iano/ult95u117426.shtml
http://www.centauro...ra.com.br/minhaluta.htm
http://www.jcrelations.net/en/?item=3036
Adeus!flyindutch
08 Jun 2009, 04:39 - Report
tinimini...
where r u livin?
greetsflyindutch
08 Jun 2009, 04:42 - Report
@Brazilian Rasista da merda!
@Brazilian Rasista da merda!Marinho
08 Jun 2009, 04:51 - Report
flyindutsch
munich area,
did you study in germany by the way?tinmini
08 Jun 2009, 05:19 - Report
tinimini...
at the moment iam in crakow (poland). normally i study in nrw. in a few month i got to go back. there iam livn in krefeld near düsseldorf and the dutch border because my girl is livin there.
bayern? - my girl and some german friends told me that its really strange there. thats right? they told me that the people there r very arrogant.they often say that bayern doesn´t belong to germany.
what u r doin there?flyindutch
08 Jun 2009, 05:54 - Report
flyindutsch
got married, and my husband was living here,
i dont like it here so far thats why we might move back to US,i was planing to go to college here, but my german is not that good, which i am learning but very slowly,and its very hard to find a job here, so yeah its making me go krazytinimini |
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tinimini...
what is ya husband workin for? perhaps u have to start a career in the tourism industry. or perhaps u have to move to berlin, dresden, cologne, munster or hambourg and ya opinion gonna be changed.
in the rhineland or frankfurt u have a lot of americans cause of the natostation.flyindutch
08 Jun 2009, 06:58 - Report
angry on germans
SO THEY ARE DELETED MY LAST COMMENT...I HOPE THEY WONT HEAR ABOUT IT.angry on germans
09 Jun 2009, 04:33 - Report
Opinion of a Lithuanian
I'm in and from Vilnius, Lithuania and I've been to both USA and Germany and to many other countries, enjoyed them and I always wanted to go back home, and I did. I love my country and I think that all countries are beautiful. I always met beautiful friendly people in Germany and USA too and I do not understand why do you find Germany so sucky? Perhaps because you suck yourself? I'm sorry, I did not mnean to insult, but really, take a look at a mirror, mirror of life.Jonas
11 Jun 2009, 01:49 - Report
Bayern
Bayern(Bavaria) is the south end of Germany. Most of the cities there where built by the romans and in fact it ist the richest part of germany, with less homeless people then anywhere in Germany else (And by the way, accumulation is better than in the other parts, too).
Till the WW1, Bavaria was its own kingdom and some old people there still think, that it would be better, if it still would be like before. (And its a bit right, too. Woth the Fall of the Wall between east and west Germany, we all had to pay very much money to recreate the German economy)
Now all put together:
Bavarians arent arrogant, just a bit proud of their past.Steve
11 Jun 2009, 03:54 - Report
Länderfinanzausgleich
@ Steve: why they r proud of something (affluence in bavaria) they haven´t created. In Germany there is a stateadjustment and Bavaria was a long time a recipientstate. But they have forgotten this fact. NRW for example never gonna forget this fact because NRW or BW is always paying.flyindutch
11 Jun 2009, 07:04 - Report
OK,
If Germany is dirty you must have not been to Oklahoma yet! I have seen more racism here from native Indians towards white people than I ever saw in Germany!
Maybe if you changed your attitude people would be more friendly towards you?for real
11 Jun 2009, 09:52 - Report
Deutschland ist die Beste in der Welt!
Ich wohne in der Ukraine und glaube das Deutschland ist die Beste. Das ist traumfart schön, die Natur ist wunderbar und die Leute sind freundlich, höflich.Alexander
12 Jun 2009, 07:41 - Report
Germany/Bavaria
Its always the same, some people hate Germany because its "full of Nazis"(But thats wrong), and others like our country because of its landscapes, the weather and the people. There will always be 2 groups, the ones who hate Germany and the one who like germany and noone can change anything at their opinion.
And now back to Bavaria: People all around in Germany dont like Bayern, because the people there are "arrogant".But arent they arrogant theirselves, if they say, that we Bavarians are stinky arrogant people, who look down on the rest of the population.
I dont know why the rest of germany hates us, but its not our fault, everybody is a bit proud of his past and its just a fact, that the pupils in Bavaria are a bit smarter and that the money is better shared over the populace.Steve
13 Jun 2009, 02:56 - Report
@Steve: Whole Germany doesn´t hate Bavaria. But pl. make a difference between Bavaria and Franken. flyindutch
15 Jun 2009, 01:33 - Report
PRIDE
Do I have too much or do you have too little?
I don't hate Germany, but am often frustrated by Germans. If you are not German this may help you understand them. If you are German this may help you understand yourself
I am a foreigner living in Germany. If you are German & have lost your job, I did not take it. You can not do what I earn money doing. I have earned the respect of many Germans for my work. From Udo Lindenberg to the alcoholic neighbor & Harz IV empfanger of one of my employees. I employ Germans & stimulate the German economy with my taxes & spending.
Authoritative comments & comparisons between countries about the quality of life there should be limited to persons who have LIVED in the respective countries. That includes but is not limited to being an official resident, renting an apartment in your own name, being gainfully employed, filing income tax returns, learning the language, & being socially engaged in the community (not just an enclave of ex-patriots). I say this not to devalue anyone's opinion but to distinguish between impressions from a short term visit and the experience that comes with residence.
The German "experience" is very different if you are vacationing, studying, living with your native born spouse, self-employed, (by the average German)instantly racially/nationally visually identifiable (Black, Russian, Asian, Middle Eastern, etc.), wealthy, speak fluent accent-free German, etc. Taking the advice of anyone fitting a drastically different profile than your own could be problematic. Native Africans have a very different experience in the United States as slave descendant African-Americans. A third generation Azerbaijani man has a much different perspective as woman visiting Kreuzberg from Turkey.
Having objectively observed German culture for more than 12 years, I believe I have discovered the cause for many of the behaviors that many foreigners find objectionable.
Self-esteem/Self-Worth/Pride...or more correctly the lack thereof. Very few Germans under 30 have any pride. Many who say that they are proud are overcompensating to combat prevailing views of their country. The line between national pride & exclusionary extremism is seen as dangerously thin & is therefore not popular. A man who hangs a German flag in his apartment window or in his backyard (when no German national team is in a championship) will make his neighbors (and any foreigners in the area) nervous. Civic pride that is seen as positive for many of us back home is virtually unheard of here. Populations who suffer from low self-esteem do not integrate well. They are fearful & mistrusting of outsiders. There is often a lack of education & social exposure that exacerbates this condition. The children & grandchildren of the war generation have transmitted the diminished expectations that they experienced after WWII. Post war life in the countries of the Allies were times of great social & financial growth. The media age allows every new advance to be instantly advertised around the world. Countries not experiencing such growth & prosperity become bitter. Jealousy becomes an epidemic. This manifests itself as hate & there are widespread attempts to discredit & devalue the more successful society (the propaganda battle between East & West Germany is a prime example). Personal & inherited war shame + low self-esteem + the media age x jealousy = Defeated Master Race Syndrome. (or DMRS) It is highly contagious & most Germans have a terminable case of it but haven't been diagnosed. Many who seek treatment escape from Germany to prevent re-infection. This decreases the number of "Proud Germans" & the talent pool (higher skilled/educated Germans are infinitely more like to leave Germany than those with a minimum education).
Seen with a compassionate eye Germans are a potentially good society currently affected by an enormous list of disadvantages. It is their unwillingness/inability to improve that many foreigners find horrible. If you come from an optimistic country, Germany will smother you. If you come from a country where inefficient or outdated rules can be repealed or overlooked, Germany will stifle you. If you come from a society where individualism is cherished, Germany will mock you. If you bring your originality to Germany, they will copy you. If you come to Germany & look better than, dress better than, earn more money than, have deeper faith than, receive more education than, have a bigger home than, have a bigger car than, or are happier than the average German, they will hate you....but these are all symptoms of Defeated Master Race Syndrome. Unless you are able to find those Germans who have been cured of (or hopefully never got) this ailment you will experience this.
Architects of the Third Reich could not have predicted that those that fled or survived their regime would rise to control much of the media is the USA. Accordingly the atrocities of WWII are retold with Dolby surround sound in theaters all over the world & probably will in perpetuity (lest anyone forget we'll release a new story every 18 months). Germany is not the only country to commit genocide...just the only one to do it in the media/information age where their victims have the power to tell the world & make a profit while doing it. As long as this is the case Germany will never escape its past & the world will never be allowed to forget it.
Additional problems that I have observed but won't extensively elaborate on:
Low bithrate: kids are too expensive for Germans
Exorbitant Taxes: .83 cents from every euro spent on gas is taxes. 19% sales tax on goods. income tax rates that go as high as 44%. Taxes/Fees on everything there's even a "fun tax" (vergnügungssteuer).
Crumbling Socialized medicine that has not enough tax revenue to support itself.
Church buildings that are too old, too large that are exclusively supported through taxes that more and more people are opting out of because they see the church as unnecessary (& the church is content to collect tax revenue & not serve the community).
The devaluation of German products: Goods produced in Germany are often given Asian or American sounding names to increase their marketability INSIDE Germany.
Lack of home ownership: It is common in Germany to pay rent (sometimes in the same apartment) for more than 40 years.
School system: It is decided as early as the 4 grade if a child will go on to higher education.
Foreign Language: Many students learn a foreign language for more than 6 years, receive good grades, & can not speak it conversationally.
Creative Arts: Originality is not valued. Artistic quality is based on one ability to copy an existing work.
Capitalism: The USA is seen as the capitalistic monster, but it's Germany with 1/4 of the residents who sells more things to the world than any other country...$1,530,000,000,000 in 2008...where is all that money?
Insecure Germans reading this now are probably very angry...because the things that I'm saying are unfortunately true. When kids in school called my mother a whore, I asked them "When should she have time to have sex? Between board meetings, raising my brothers & sisters, church council, & volunteering to feed the homeless, there was no time for her to stand on the street corner too." My mother was a vice-president of a Fortune 500 company. I didn't become enraged because it was categorically untrue. If I call your Father a cocaine addicted slob who beats your mother & raped you...if I don't know him personally AND none of it is true, it won't affect you. If I've been to your house & witnessed his behavior & everyone knows about his police record, then you will become infuriated when I print it in the newspaper. Angry, uneducated, factless responses or Anti-Foreigner (Go Home!) posts from Germans will only confirm that what I am saying is true.
Many Germans are not aware of how they are. They think that the "mean cold Germans" are somebody else. They don't see that they never smile while walking down the street. They don't recognize that they are rude to customers at their job. They don't see it as in their job description to be nice. They don't see that treating customers/clients nice is good for business...because in Germany it isn't. Most companies are not dependent on customer satisfactions, because a rudely treated customer still comes back. A rude salesperson in other countries would be fired or at the least earn less money through lower sales/commissions. German workers with direct customer contact have no motivation to treat you decently...so they don't.
Don't take it COMPLETELY personal...they treat each other the same way. Germans treat one another badly & hate it. They endlessly complain when they have to interact with governmental agencies, but won't fund these agencies giving the workers horrible working conditions. They hate rude people in public but cut in line themselves when they are in a hurry. They hate the lack of customer service (Servicewüste Deutschland), but accept it as normal.Germans hate cheap laborers from Eastern Europe but want everything for the lowest price possible. They exert twice as much energy complaining about their lives as it would require to make choices to improve it. The connection between choices & experience has escaped the German people. They believe that "Sh*t Happens" is a mantra. They don't see that they "chose Sh*t" & more importantly chose not to try to clean it up afterwards. If they offend someone or make a racial slur, it's the other persons fault for getting offended..."Es ist halt so!" (it's like that). Political correctness & civil courage are non-existent.
All of these things are the product of Post-War shame, low self-esteem/self-worth, the media age, & jealousy. Until these conditions change the climate will remain the same in German...continuing to worsen until it is unable to sustain life.
There are nice places in Germany & nice people as well. Your experience with Germans will completely depend on what/who you are by comparison. The things I describe are common in large cities as well as small towns. If you are not seen as better, a threat to their way of life, & don't cause or represent change...then your chances of a positive experience increases.
Know what you're up against & be realistic.
RNronniesneffe
16 Jun 2009, 04:05 - Report
@ ronniesneffe
Hi ronniesneffe,
interesting text and by far the most porfound. Some descriptions r applicable but often u jump to a conclusion. Often u argue black and white. U enumerated chinks and problems of the german society (following ya opinion) but don´t refelect the causations. U listed the negative things but ignored the positve aspects. and there r many postive things.
i respect your opinion but definitily do not agree and definitely with your attitude. And iam also a foreigner.
Greets
p.s."The USA is seen as the capitalistic monster, but it's Germany with 1/4 of the residents who sells more things to the world than any other country...$1,530,000,000,000 in 2008...where is all that money?" - What do u mean wiv that question? U know what the export includes? It doesn´t deals exclusive with in Germany produced products which r sold in the whole world. Ohh no! Germany works also like a cross-docking centre. Especially the Netherlands. They transport and they deal. They r service providers but do not produce. So the whole world keep alive by the german and dutch export work.flyindutch
16 Jun 2009, 11:15 - Report
I am going to visit Germany soon... is that "racism" really exist?
Well for a strange reason(Looking for Germany of course) I ended up in this forum and now I feel kind of afraid, there are a lot of positive and negative commentaries as well but the second ones seemed to be part of the majority, however these vacations I am going to visit Germany especially Berlin and Hamburg. I am going in a tour of different countries, and Germany is the last one I am going to visit, I'll stay there by my own maybe 2 weeks, but with all the things you are saying, I am thinking about myself as a woman in there.
I don't even speak the language, but I can manage, english, spanish and some french, so I thought it was kind of enough.
In my personal opinion I don't have anything against that country and I think the are amazing in a lot of aspects. I have had some german friends and they are not the nicest people on earth but for 2 or 4 people I won't put the entire country and say something negative, because I don't know anything yet. (at least by my own) all the information we read from everywhere shouldn't be immediately believe it. We have our own judgement to see if is true or not.
Anyways I am here for any recommendation I am a mexican girl of 24 years old.
Thank youKarla
17 Jun 2009, 12:12 - Report
@karla
Hey Karla,
I think its not the right forum here to ask this question. this forum is totally not objective because u have the possibilty to write wiv different identities.
Look at the different threads equal of germany, france, uk, swiss, italy....
its full of racist judgments. The most aswers r written by one persons or by sick persons who believe in political groups which hates Europe, Germany and believe that the helocentrism is an atheistic doctrine.
for the last time the only one who criticised Germany in an ambitious way was "ronniesneffe" but not every fact is right.
I cannot speak spanish really well but I noticed that the spanish threads r more differentiated. There was also a girl who wrote the applicable sentence - "Everybody loves their country and this we have to respect. Try to act in respect and the doors r open in europe."
Please, follow this fact and don´t be interacted by so much intolerance of some guys here .
The best way is to talk wiv people and makin your own experiences. And please, don´t be so sensitive because its Germany. Often made bad a bad experience also because of their character and project it directly on Germany and the history. Don´t make this mistake.
I can give u the advice that u have to learn some sentences in the native language. For Germany for example....
- Guten Tag
- Auf Wiedersehen
- Können Sie mir helfen?
- Wo ist....
- Ich bin aus Mexiko.
-.......
It´s the same like in every country. For example in France really try to speak french. They don´t really like to speak english because they r ashamed to speak english wiv their accent as well as they have some prejudices regarding the british people.
Show the gesture of goodwill and u r welcome in every country.
Concluding... iam also a foreigner in Germany and my girlfriend is from portugal. We have never bad bad experiences in Germany.
So enjoy Berlin. It´s one of the most creative and alterable metropoles of the world. If u want to see more I can give u the advice to visit for example...
Münster, Trier, Dresden, Heidelberg, Aachen, the Loreley, the Allgaeu....
Greetsflyindutch
17 Jun 2009, 04:06 - Report
@karla
http://www.goethe.de/ins/mx/lp/esindex.htm flyindutch
17 Jun 2009, 04:31 - Report
@mr_black
ohhh...a new synonymflyindutch
21 Jun 2009, 01:24 - Report
Thanks flyindutch =)
Thanks for taking the time to answer me, I know is not the correct place, but usually none is...
I just get worried but it's kind stupid, I will discover the fascinating Germany by myself and I will get my own opinion about it...
and about the people who is always insulting they should be ashamed, being rude is not the solution of anything it only shows how ignorant you are.
Be happy anyways.karla
21 Jun 2009, 07:08 - Report
@Karla
Hi Karla,
nice to hear that u gonna visit Europe! If need some official information u can also visit following link...
http://www.socmexaleberlin.com/index2.html
If u need more information (e.g. nice hostels, bars, cultural places, music etc.) u can contact me via Skype. My nick is "chartierkr".
I think its better to write via mail.
Have fun!flyindutch
21 Jun 2009, 06:40 - Report
it's up to you...
I myself am German and I stayed abroad for one year (in a country - not USA - that sadly many Germans are prejudiced against) so my view on certain subjects changed a bit due to seeing a lot of things from a different perspective.
I can understand ronniesneffes point of view to some degree. That negative attitude towards life, that he described, is also a product of a mass media campaign to broadcast negative aspects all kinds of areas. If you follow the news closely, you'll find that it is quite common to downgrade any kinds of stuff related to Germans or German culture. Part of that is due to the fact, that Germans go to great lengths to prevent any kind of idea hinting that they might support a nazi idea and another reason is that it is also not good for making money (media) or isn't a good basis for making politics if things go well. With all the negative views spread it is likely that people end up getting frustrated to a gread deal.
Personally I am fed up with this public pressure of always having to display the obligatory post-war shame. I have not lived in that time and I am not responsible for any crimes committed there. Yes they are horrible and should never be committed again but you cannot expect Germans to grow out of this low self-esteem issue if you still keep on hitting them with the hammer of righteousness on their heads. Fact is that there is no other nation that doesn't have a dirty past but it is mostly the Germans the finger is pointed on. I have to say, also because they let others point their fingers on them. We live in a country that tries to be one of the best at everything, even at repenting
I strongly have to disagree with what was said above about things being bad here if you are a good person or better than the average in some ways. That would depend on your own attitude towards others and how you view them. If you think you're better than them and openly show this (intentionally or unintentionally)... well then also be prepared to get some unfriendly response.
Other than that you cannot expect noone to get jealous of you if you're more successful than many others but that will happen as well if you are a German. I know a couple of people (non-Germans) who accomplished way more than the average middle-class people and they NEVER had trouble due to this fact as far as I know. Personally I couldn't ever imagine me or some other German I know being rude or unfriendly towards a foreigner just because he/she has achieved more.. Geez, that's a gross view of things, I am wondering where that came from?! Or maybe you just like to see things that way?
Some reasons why Germans (I am using Germans now but you can use any other ethnic group instead easily) often have negative views on things are also because they are made to believe that things are actually that way. Schools teach us that an impartial point of view is standard so people believe they are well-informed by the media (Germany is a developed country after all). They start believing what is shown to them and when the time comes for them to use their own head and maybe finally relize that it wasn't entirly true what they believed, irritation and sometimes frustration are very likely to appear. Especially if they liked the original picture in their head because it was convenient to them.
A thing some people don't realize about Germany is that life here is going on behind the walls and usually not out on the streets. There are clubs to join or the circle of friends to meet with or the family.. etc. For some foreigners it might not be easy to get past these walls and thus feel left out of the loop. Germany then becomes boring, cold and rude. But it is actually more likely for a foreigner to get invited than for a native precicely because he/she is a non-German.
And about the lack of customer service... that is subject to change these days.
And let's not forget: it is always easier to see the negative side of things because the positive aspects are considered natural (and therefore are not worth of much notice)
Don't go looking for the bad stuff, look for nice things. And that doesn't apply only to a lot of Germans but also to the other pessimists around
I like this country for my own reasons and I like others too. They all have good and bad aspects and it is not a subject for general judgement wether one is worse or better than the other or not. That's a matter of personal preference.
@ Karla: Nice to hear you'll visit the country! Don't be afraid, there won't be any Germans waiting for a mexican girl around the corner just to throw mean words at her Have a little faith in humanity! I wish you a nice trip!! mee
21 Jun 2009, 11:02 - Report
@mee
"But it is actually more likely for a foreigner to get invited than for a native precicely because he/she is a non-German"
Ich stimme dir zu. Spricht aber auch dafür, dass es ein besonderes Interesse bzw. ein Neugier gegenüber Fremden in Deutschland gibt. - Allerdings du sollst das weiter ausführen. Versteht bestimmt nicht jeder.
Viele grüßeflyindutch
22 Jun 2009, 12:45 - Report
ENVY
The lack of bitter, counter-productive responses is encouraging.
I am aware that I express thoughts that many would prefer to deny or ignore. First my direct responses:
@Karla: Nice name. You trip appears to be focused around large "West" (influenced) cities. I say influenced because technically Berlin isn't in the West part of the country. Your experience would differ extremely if you were visiting smaller or "decidedly Eastern" German cities. Additionally it will be relatively brief. This plus your youth & two "X" chromosomes probably means you will have the time of your life. Being female might be your greatest asset overall. Sad but true. People of different genders who are placed in the same set of circumstances typically have more positive experience from the social (human) components. Anyone courageous (or foolhardy) enough to visit countries without a common language probably will probably be flexible & can roll with the punches.
I wish you a great trip. Extra-Tip: Advertising the fact that you are Mexican & JUST VISITING could improve your experience.
@mee: Your comments about German jealousy seem naïve if not completely in denial.
Neid, Volkskrankheit? Germans are notoriously jealous of one another & foreigners. To offer sugar-coated opinions to the contrary is reckless. This dynamic to everyday personal & professional social interactions in Germans is something persons wishing to live/study in Germany need to know. People considering something as extreme as relocating need such details in order to make informed decisions. We all place different importance on the components that make up life in a particular environment. For one, the quality of scientific education is all that matters, for another it’s public safety (low incidence of gun violence), & yet another is focused on availability/cost of health care. Maybe for Ms. Yamamoto a lack of religious diversity/tolerance is a deal breaker, for Mr. Abdullah it’s taxes & Mr. Smith can’t handle certain social peculiarities. Isn’t it fair to tell Mr. Smith the truth & let him make the best decision based on as much information as possible? A fully informed resident is far more productive than a disillusioned one. Naturally things like jealousy affect people on vacation to a lesser extent, but they too should have access to accurate information. If you don’t act envious, then you are happy & satisfied with your life, what you have, & what you have earned…IN COMPARISON TO THOSE AROUND YOU! The guy working at the assembly line at VW waiting in line for soccer tickets is not jealous of the drunken homeless guy passed out in the alley. He IS envious of the Turkish/Russian guy who just drove by in his new S-Klasse on his way to the VIP entrance to his luxury box in the Allianz Arena. This is not healthy “I wish I had that” or “wow, cool” form but a much more insidious form. VW guy (hab nichts gegen band arbeitern bei VW…es ist NUR als beispiel…some of my best friends work at VW …really) will be irritated anytime he sees someone pay with a large Euro note, wearing clothes that appear expensive, driving a nice car, or any other signs of success which VW guy does not have. Many Germans resent those who have or show prosperity. There is an unwritten rule that you are not supposed to have more than your neighbor…& if you do, hide it! Germans (& foreigners alike) often relocate or live lives of secrecy rather than risk the envious friends of their “former lives”. The mixing of economic classes often ends badly. The source of the prosperity is irrelevant to the offended party. VW guy doesn’t care that you legally & ethically earned what you have. To him it’s “not fair”. (dass du hast für 8 Jahre studiert & war mehrmals befördert spielt keine rolle.) Furthermore, you should have been content to your prosperity as to not make anyone else feel inferior by comparison.
I don’t feel your schools encourage free thinking, but rather the perpetuation of “The Emperor’s New Clothes”. This creates a society that will defend to the death certain accepted social principles despite their obsolescence. Ladenschlussgesetz: An impractical sign of German inflexibility for over 50 years. It was obsolete at its inception, but has been used as a piece of propaganda to advance various agendas. Despite the fact that most Germans find its limits stifling, it has been the political sacred cow since 1956. Those defending it have threatened that its elimination would result in the destruction of families, exploitation of the working class, & fabric of society becoming irrevocably unstitched.
I empathize with your “Post-War” shame & agree that it may seem unfair that you must bare its burden. In my previous post I eluded to the fact that the Germans picked the wrong race & the wrong time to perpetuate genocide.(there is, course, no “right” race or “right” time to commit mass murder) The victims of the Holocaust have a voice…very loud, electronic, mass marketed, all-reaching, digital surround sound, downloadable voice. Every German reading this may want to grab a strong drink because you are probably not going to like my solution for you. Since it’s highly unlikely that Jewish people relinquish their influence in the media & even less likely that they will stop talking about the Holocaust, Germans have only two options. Shame or Change. If the only negative thing about German society was its WWII legacy, then this board wouldn’t exist & we would all be eating Waldmeister ice cream in Schloss Neuschwanstein. Hitler took advantage of deeply rooted behaviors & beliefs to create the Third Reich. Without the fertile social conditions, his rise to power would have been impossible, fruitless, or unremarkable. Ironically, (based on the “no jealousy” post), among the contributing factors was widespread jealousy & envy of the large & successful Jewish population. Modern-day Germans have not made great strides in their popularity (especially among neighboring countries). Germans are often seen as cold, depressed, envious, jealous, inflexible, backward-thinking, & cheap. (THESE CONDITIONS ARE, OF COURSE FOUND IN EVERY SOCIETY, I’M ONLY LISTING COMMON IMPRESSIONS OF GERMANS) Every German knows what is meant by “Typisch Deutsch”. I submit that every time a German, REGARDLESS OF GENERATION, behaves in this manner it validates, perpetuates, & propagates the negative perceptions & stereotypes about German people. Every one of us comes from a culture or nationality with well known negative stereotypical traits. When we fulfill those stereotypes we do ourselves, all those like us, & our future generations a disservice. YOU ARE YOUR CHOICES. If you don’t want to live with Post-War shame, make Germany & Germans (by your actions) something less shameful. Make “Typisch Deutsch” something positive. If YOU change what “typical” German behavior is, then the opinions & stereotypes will change as well.
The media can talk all day about your past, but if your present is unequivocally different…then it’s just talk. If you aren’t who they say you are, then make who you are louder than who they “think” you are.
@mr_black: I am curious to hear specifics about your situation. In as exacting detail as possible. I find it fascinating to compare & contrast the individual components & choices that make up an individual’s experience. By exchanging this information we can enable to others to make better decisions for themselves. I received very subtle advice during my first visits that were difficult to decipher & interpret. Of course “if I knew then what I know now” would have played an extensive role in my decision-making, but I’m not so sure that my overall choice would have been altered. I feel that we have the opportunity to offer those at a crossroad as to their country of residence a powerful tool. My goal is not to bash Germany but rather to remove the illusions & denial. Please make sure that you are objective in your sharing. If you just rant, then you give ample fodder to those who reminisce about “the good ol’ days” (damals war alles besser) & those living in denial. Be clear & if you must include emotional details, make sure that it is discernable.
@flyindutch: Of all the people who have ever (anonymously) disagreed with me, your words have given me the greatest desire to meet & talk.
In conclusion:
The beauty of German churches, cities, parks, forests, & castles is legendary. The exhilaration of her Autobahn is the stiff that dreams are made of. Germany’s Schiffshebewerke (boat lifts) are awe-inspiring engineering marvels. Her Denkmalen (monuments) & structures are breathtaking. Even the preservation of Konzentrationslagern (Concentration camps) is admirable. If you drive at 230 km/h on A14 freeway after visiting the Völkerschlachtdenkmal in Lepzig, stop & see the last work from Hundertwasser in Magdeburg, walk the historic district of Lüneburg, watch the 38 meter ship elevator around the corner in Scharnebeck, trek west to see the Cologne Cathedral (600 years in the making), then back south to watch people surfing the canal in München, head back up & hug a column of the Brandenburger Tor & then make it to Rügen and…do nothing, you will know (some of) the beauty of Germany…BUT… Just as you need to inform yourself about the best way to go about visiting these places, you need to be prepared for the mentalities of some of the people you will meet along the way. If your stay requires anything more than a Schengen Visa, there are a number undeniable historical, political, psychological, & socio-economic realities that must be faced.
RNronniesneffe
22 Jun 2009, 08:43 - Report
Would restrict myself to going Germany
I had leant some basic German for 1.5 years while in Asia. After visiting Germany for a few times already, my views of Germany changed. Basically a lot of threads that were said about Germans were true to a certain extend. My views seems to get worst exponentially with increase visitations to Germany.
At least now I know more about Germany now, and at least I've made a decision not stay in any Germany states in my lifetime and will restrict my tourist euros there. My holiday money spent elsewhere would make me happy. Anyway, Germany dont need your tourist Euros as they are already technologically export oriented and most of them will be more happy for you not to visit their country.Asian Tiger
23 Jun 2009, 02:06 - Report
¡Hola!
First at all thanks for everyone who is giving me an answer( I didn't
expect it and you are behaving like gentlemen) and yeah Flyindutch Ill add u in Skype =)!!!!!!!
Second eeeh I just didn't get some things and I don't want to break my head... thinking..
I just want to go direct to the point...
So what does it mean "Being female might be yout greatest assest overall..."
that sounded strange... I mean I don't want to do any conclusion so Ill wait ur answer..
and about..
I wish you a great trip. Extra-Tip: Advertising the fact that you are Mexican & JUST VISITING could improve your experience
I mean why the JUST VISITING is in Mayús ha ha, is it forbidden to stay there?
Actually I have some germans friends from my highschool, I dated one of them for half a year and we were cool all the time,
obviously we had our culture problems...anyways...
He is going to take me to some parts in Germany now that I go and almost all the time, he says he wants me to stay in there...
so you are saying if I do u will hate me?
I never had a purpose to go anywhere I mean, I travel because I can and want(I am on vacations!) plus Germany is the last country I am going to go,
there are people who is totally happy with the enviroment
that is around, I am mexican but I have a great life and thank God a good family that supports me, but if I want to try another thing
like staying there, should i be ashamed? I don't think learning a language is that difficult, actually I love german and japanese, but
since english is more important in here and I live in a small place I couldn't study it yet. I use to visit some things online, though.
I am just saying... I just want your opinon.
I hate when all in here make everything general and sometimes including me!
But being marked as a country is like being a cow.. burned.. yeah it sounds stupid and maybe what I am saying doesn't have anything to do
with this discussion, because honestly a lot of things that you said are pretty complicated hehehe...
But... there are a lot people, honest, hardworker and that don't need anything else for others...
ALL OF US are different... theres good, bad or stupid people in every country...
GreetingsKarla
24 Jun 2009, 02:23 - Report
Mistake*
A lot of things I wrote are questions to ronniesneffe, I am sorry I did it so quickly because I was leaving that I made mistakes.Karla
24 Jun 2009, 10:20 - Report
WRATH
@Karla: Germans are sometimes known for their hate & anger. I was trying to give you tips to get you the opposite.
Girls are more easily accepted as strangers. No one is threatened. Young, pretty girls are often very popular (school, parties, discos, etc.). The people we meet on vacation know us superficially. What's one of the most basic things we identify when we see someone for the first time? Gender. As a light brown young woman you will be much more accepted by the majority than a Black or Arabian man.
There is often racial & cultural tension between Germans & Arabic people (especially Turkish). Many Germans cannot tell the difference between similarly looking races/nationalities. Presumably you are a light brown girl with dark hair. To the "average" German...without any additional clues (language, culture specific clothing, Mexican money)...would look at you & think you were Turkish (or Arabian). Making it obvious for an adult with a 9th grade education (a dummy) or one who's never seen a non-stereotypical Mexican can help you avoid confusion. You also don't want to mistakenly be the recipient of "Anti-Turkish" sentiments.
If everyone thinks/know that you are just on vacation then you won't be confronted by very uncomfortable invasive questions. There are people who might feel threatened by "yet another" foreigner moving here. Many Germans are uneducated on immigration specifics think that EVERY foreigner receive large subsidies from the Government. This is of course false. SOME asylum seekers receive assistance, but it's not enough for anybody to reasonably live on & you wouldn't let your dog sleep in the horrible places the state has for asylum applicants. Some Germans are just generally nationalistic & don't appreciate foreigners of any kind. Many people are threatened by people who want to settle in Germany. "Will they have kids?", "How should they afford to stay here?", "Who's job will they take?", etc.. Many Germans operate under a "lack mentality". They think that there is not enough to go around. If you work then that means that there is a German out of work. Now you might be a double Dr. in Immunology & Micro biology...you're not stealing that job from anyone...you'd actually be replacing one of the countless top scientists who leave Germany every year for other countries. Many Germans regret that the Government invited workers (Turkey, Poland, Italy, etc.) to come rebuild after the war & were quite shocked to learn that these people wanted to then settle here & have families. Accordingly Germany has (like any other country with immigrants) growing racial & cultural problems. Being conspicuously Mexican & visiting keeps you from being caught up in these issues.
When you visit, try to notice the number of Germans over 25 who laugh in public or are smiling. You might be able to count them on one hand during your two week stay. The average German is not happy with his/her life & IS DOING NOTHING TO IMPROVE IT! If you are happy (that you are alive for example) it only draws more attention to the fact that they are not. There are those (if you were living here as a student/resident) who would dislike you for no other reason than your life is "good".
Many Germans have a "mentality of lack" when it comes to personal wealth & prosperity. If you have 1000 Euros to spend, that means that there are 1000 less Euros to be had & is cause for panic & jealousy. If you come on vacation & you "appear" wealthy, there are those who will be very jealous of you. This jealousy is not hidden & is very common. If you have money to spend (expensive new dress, watch, bag, etc.), unless you want to hear someone micro-manage or criticize how you spend YOUR money...don't do it overtly. Self-indulgence is looked upon poorly...because that something that people do when they're happy & enjoying their life (see above). I have Mexican relatives & they celebrate life to the fullest.
Come. Have the time of your life. Just be aware of what attitudes you might meet & be prepared. Forewarned is fore-armed (if you know what you are up against, you can be better prepare...whatever happens)
I sincerely wish you the best.
RNronniesneffe
25 Jun 2009, 01:08 - Report
Regarding your penultimate comment.....
Ronniesneffe, thanks for your text. But while reading your text it became clear for me what is meant with the synonym “baby-English”. At the beginning I had some problems to understand you. The word order of the American English is sometimes really confusing. This experience I have also done with the book “Operation Management” of the publisher Mc Graw-Hill Irwin. Some old German economic people have described our superficial school-English, which is also used in some enterprises, as counterproductive. It doesn’t improve the efficiency. Understandingly, but I hope I’ll improve my English.
Because, you also observed indirectly, we’ve not the possibility to sit opposite each other wiv a cold “Jever”, I want to comment quoting on your statements.
I don’t know how I have to express it, but with the most of your comment I agree regarding the basic construct, but I have the opinion that it needs to be seen more in a more nuanced light as well as described more differentiated. Furthermore in such a non-objective board it is important to describe the subject in relation to as well as to the positive things. Otherwise it depict a skewed view what can be quite dangerous and certainly abolish chances. In this spirit I’m glad that Karla has a pleasant and a not always self-explanatory tolerant view. It would be paradisiacal if only 50 percent of the humanity would have such an attitude. With comparing I mean also comparing the historical, social, demographical and geographical circumstances. The mere fact that Germany has 10 neighbour countries it is difficult to compare. So its conceivable that there are conflict situations. It become clear that Germany is and was a product of the environment. The Americans should know it exactly. The American politic has and had a significant influence in Germany. That begins wiv the German identity as well as wiv the German position on the Israel – Palestine conflict.
In the following I´ll comment your statements:
- “I wish you a great trip. Extra-Tip: Advertising the fact that you are Mexican & JUST VISITING could improve your experience.“ – You agree wiv the opinion of „mee“ that there is a general interest regarding foreign cultures in Germany? Regarding this fact I’ve made a lot experience. For example with my Portuguese girl friend. The people always evince friendly interest. When the people hear her name you´re always hearing…”Ohhhh….du bist aus Portugal?! Das ist ja schön! Erzähl mal!
- “Isn’t it fair to tell Mr. Smith the truth & let him make the best decision based on as much information as possible? A fully informed resident is far more productive than a disillusioned one. Naturally things like jealousy affect people on vacation to a lesser extent, but they too should have access to accurate information.” – I hold that you reflect too much in detail but differentiate insufficient. It´s really important to consider the bad and good things. Otherwise it’s not fair and irresponsible. I also distinguish in Brazil or in the USA. I can also numerate numerical problems but also regard the positive things and evaluate. If I account only the bad things, I act prejudiced and intolerant. I don’t want to abuse u as a intolerant person. Ohhh no, far from it! I believe that u differentiate for your own.
- “If you don’t act envious, then you are happy & satisfied with your life, what you have, & what you have earned…IN COMPARISON TO THOSE AROUND YOU!” – In general your statement is right. But regarding our theme it is important to differentiate in a more detailed way. It is important to consider the social, historical and ideological circumstances. In Germany and the most parts of Europe there is a socialistically awareness what is really difficult for the American to understand or they don’t have the needed horizon to understand this fact. I don’t want to act deprecatingly and I’ve also separate in this theme but I notice that even American politics have not the needed long-sightedness and the comprehension what the socialistically features includes. There r old men who abuse the democrats as communists or declaim the “New deal” as socialistically movement. The same I also recognized in Brazil. Definitely you are wondering why I accost the socialistically awareness regarding the theme of enviousness. I gonna try to summarise it in short sentences.
I have the opinion that enviousness is not only perception out of the humaneness or a result of the identity or education. I have made the experience that enviousness also results out of the coincidence of socialist ally and capitalist ally awareness. This you can notice in East Germany. And I know East Germany cause of my familiarly history and place of birth very well. I noticed that the enviousness in East Germany is really apparent. The reasons are really strange to be answered but I think it´s important to examine this phenomenon. The East Germans have a specific relation to consumption or rather the capitalism. For decades they lusted for “west products”. There were also people who collected Coca-Cola cans on their ledges. “Intershops” smelled like gums and for them the smell was paradisiacal. Otherwise there was a ideological big bang wiv the Fall of the Wall. It was a shock. The identity has been changed. For decades they cursed the enemy behind the “anti-fascistic protective barrier” and now they r also citizen of this country. This shock u cannot handle in a short time. This needs decades what many Germany do not understand. So, the East German is directly confronted with the colourful and sweet consumption products. He only smells “Intershop” and collaps. The paradise. At every corner they try to debauch him wiv grabby credits so he can have everything. But all of a sudden the East German recognise that he doesn’t get these things wiv a “Westpaket”. Money rules the world. He has to pull the strings and create an own self – confidence. A new identity, which disagrees wiv his old one. But he cannot pull down his old identity. That doesn´t work. That means that he acts wiv a less socialistically act in a capitalistically world. With the old attitude that the state has to care about my personal future and me he acts. Therefore he gets inflexible the financial profit stay away. With this demand of governmental care and the socialist ally thinking that every must have the same he begins to be inactive is asking for orders of the government. ( Germany is the country of reallocations. Everybody have to be aided.) But the the government cannot give him everything and so he cannot get everything he wants. With the old opinion everybody has to earn the same he ask….”why they earn more than me?”. And so there arise a new achievement of enviousness.
With this example I want to describe only one facet. I don’t want to declare that this is the only reason but I want make plain that it is complex to understand Germany. This country has undergone numerically metamorphosis and this includes problems, which has to be handled.
Enviousness is not always negative. It depends on how it is demonstrated. Negative, when u disapprove something someone. Positive, when u use it as a motivation.
- The guy working at the assembly line at VW waiting in line for soccer tickets is not jealous of the drunken homeless guy passed out in the alley. He I envious of the Turkish/Russian guy who just drove by in his new S-Klasse on his way to the VIP entrance to his luxury box in the Allianz Arena. – I think u haven chosen a really disadvantageous example. First, the VW employer is also envy when the homeless drunken guys because he miss the effort.
You but definitely not describing regarding this subject perhaps intentionally choose the example with the Turkish and the Russian. But I can tell a little bit about these phenomena. Actually I´m working for a car rental service while studying. We only rent luxury cars. 75 percent of my workmates have a Turkish background as well as we ´ve many Turkish customers…so I have a wonderful possibility to discuss about this subject. Intrinsically I don´t want to give rise to this subject, because I´m tired about this theme but I want to describe it regarding your example. Furthermore I want declaim that the most people wiv Turkish background starker opinion about his Turkish residents.
I want to speak about these guys who r sitting in their S- Klasse wiv their ritzy gold chain, intolerant music out of their boxes and gesturing in a aggressive way. I mean these guys who have adequate behaviour, only speaking a slang and recognised that the intelligence is really constricted. Empirically and cause of many dialogues wiv these guys and my Turkish co-workers, I know that these guys didn´t “earned” the money legally. So I cannot pat them on the back. I suppose that u would do the same. Only an example. You wouldn´t also pat the back of a candyman and say….”oh, well done.” I don’t want to continue this theme but I think u understand me.
Another theme is that a lot of is payed on tick, perhaps to demonstrate sth. Or to increase envy. In my enterprise I sing a song about it. But the most overlook this fact….
- “VW guy doesn’t care that you legally & ethically earned what you have.” – ahhh…. U mean the employer in Germany, Mexico and Brazil?
- “to him it’s “not fair”. (dass du hast für 8 Jahre studiert & war mehrmals befördert spielt keine rolle.)” – That´s the perfect example, I think. And really I cannot understand why these people cannot comprehend that diploma holder earn more money. The students have extensive additional costs but cannot earn a lot of money as well as they cannot pay for the pension fund while their studies. It means that they have to catch up this financial gap in a shorter time. Furthermore they will work in higher position with more responsibility, which have to be payed. We r not living in communism where the dustman earn the same like the engineer
- “I don’t feel your schools encourage free thinking, but rather the perpetuation of “The Emperor’s New Clothes”.” – I don’t think so. Especially in social studies freethinking is extensively encouraged. For example the Americans didn’t cover themselves with glory regarding this theme.
- “Ladenschlussgesetz: An impractical sign of German inflexibility for over 50 years.” – This catched out of the cloud to firm that the “LAdenschlussgesetze” r a symbol for the inflexibility of Germany. Regarding this topic there is also a socialistically and union background. Really absurd.
- “Ironically, (based on the “no jealousy” post), among the contributing factors was widespread jealousy & envy of the large & successful Jewish population.” – You definitely simplify this theme. Your conclusion seems to be “zurecht gelegt”. Envineous is not a German phenomenon. Regarding the Jewish population the envy was all over the world. There are still a lot of depreciative proverbs in English regarding Jews which describes their cursorily social position in the association. And it’s not rare that for example Americans use the word “Jew” as a cuss word.
- “Every German knows what is meant by “Typisch Deutsch”. I submit that every time a German, REGARDLESS OF GENERATION, behaves in this manner it validates, perpetuates, & propagates the negative perceptions & stereotypes about German people.” – I haven’t made such an experience. And often the statement “ Typisch Deutsch” is an invention by the Germans ´cause of their lacking self – confidence. The Germans notice these blanked statements too seriously. Mostly these statements are meant intentionally sketchy. For example the English often makes jokes about the Germans. But they find it amused and cannot understand why the Germans notice this too seriously. Another example was the images in a polish magazine with Mrs. Merkel in a Nazi – uniform. The most Polish magazines were ashamed about these images and when you research exactly u notice that this magazine belongs to the “Springer-Verlag”. I think that such simplifications u doesn’t have to notice too seriously. Americans, Mexican and Canadian don’t stint with such sweeping statement, too.
- “If you don’t want to live with Post-War shame, make Germany & Germans (by your actions) something less shameful.” – I think that Germany does a lot for his fame. They invest milliards for international promoted projects (e.g. “Action medeor” – the leading pharmaceutical public social aid in Europe), numerous “Goethe – Institute” and the secondary projects care for the international cultural cooperation and regarding the diplomacy Germans has often an interventional position. For example in middle East.
- “If YOU change what “typical” German behavior is, then the opinions & stereotypes will change as well.” – Everyone acts more or less like a stereotype. That’s humanly and a part of our identity. And a loss of identity was often the reason for brutal conflicts.
-“the media can talk all day about your past, but if your present is unequivocally different…then it’s just talk. If you aren’t who they say you are, then make who you are louder than who they “think” you are.” – Please, tell me who the Germans are? I hate the simple examples buts look at the German U-21 national soccerteam.
http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=500109
This is a small profile of Germany. Germany is no more …. “Schmidt”, “Schuhmacher”, “Meier”. Germany don´t have to demonstrate something. They have a new identity which can be seen positive. Germany is multi –cultural.
http://www.ropertz-...moschee-duisburg/00.jpg
The most have recognised this fact. And the Germans are at it.
Exemplary, I think that the French and the German society are alike a lot. In German journals you have the same social topics like in French journals. Symbolically the French journal “ Le Monde” and the German one “Berliner Zeitung” make regularly editions in common. That means…that at the front side “Le Monde” is printed and at the back the “Berliner Zeitung” . The motive is to show that the both association are quite similar. I think it’s a wonderful idea.
Finally, I want to call, that it is difficult for other nationalities to understand Germany. ´Cause of the geographical layer, the history and the resulting responsibility, Germany has special denotation. It is unacceptable to judge simply about Germany. That’s naïve, provincial, not fair, dump and not cosmopolitan.
Yours respectfully…….flyindutch
25 Jun 2009, 04:42 - Report
Hola!!
hola ronniesneffe
about what you wrote before, that the pretty girls are more easy accepted in Germany, yes maybe you can say that from the younger German men but not for the old people, or the unfriendly women that lives in Germany. They are so horrible and stupid because they treat bad one person without to know anything about this person or without to have a problem with this person. I will tell you something I came to Germany without too have any prejudice but the people learn how to be racist from the German people here.Maia
25 Jun 2009, 06:07 - Report
ronniesneffe is 100% correct
ronniesneffe is 100% correct. I love his conclusions and description.
Germany is shit when you you are a good individual. It's a country just like ronniesneffe described. Thank you very much for writing this excellent description of Germany and its people.great
26 Jun 2009, 12:22 - Report
SLOTH
@flyindutch
Don’t insult my intelligence…
…or my grammar. The differences between English & American grammar are for the most part negligible…at least in this context. Your difficulty is rooted in the fact that you are not a native speaker. I believe that you can speak English…but until your proficiency is such that you’re not running to the dictionary/thesaurus in order to express yourself (or understand my statements), you will always have some difficulty in communicating regardless of which side of the Atlantic you are on.
Face-to-Face meeting…Name the time & place…with the caveat that I travel a lot & it would be better if you chose more than one date…& with enough time for me & my staff to plan.
The “general interest” that you spoke of that Germans have I would more liken to being rudely nosey. Interesse ist was anderes. Deutsche leute sind extrem neugierig. Punkt. The fact that you don’t acknowledge this brings your objectivity into question. You have either not been here very long, have no (or limited) personal contact to native Germans, or are completely in denial. Germans stare, they ask questions that would be seen as rude in nearly any western society & love to meddle in the affairs of others. Spend 1 hour standing around inconspicuously at your neighborhood “wochen Markt” & the old people there will inform you about every sordid detail of your neighbors lives (& how they would do it differently). Their “interest” in other cultures & societies does not have the same foundation as the genuine human fascination that other western countries show their visitors.
Germans are NOT true socialists. They just like covering their own ass. A German’s wet dream is a situation where everything is protected from loss (versichert). Driven by a fear of change & lack they (try to) insure EVERYTHING! Admittedly their national work & health insurance systems are the envy of world (for now). However, abuse of these systems by the people who use them is rampant. Young people see Harz IV & Arbeitslosengeld as entitlements to be used as paid vacation between career choices. There are people who “need” it…but they make up a small percentage of the actual cases. The only reason these programs still exist is because of the fear instilled in the electorate that they MIGHT need these services one day. Old people suck the healthcare system dry by going to the doctor every 20 minutes (until they implemented praxis gebühren) because they feel that they’re earned it. Both systems will collapse under their own weight (& the lack of tax money to support them) in the next 5-10 years (Der Landeskirche auch)…if not sooner in the event of a catastrophic health event.
I understand German society…that doesn’t make some of their characteristics valid. The wall between East & West Germany was initially psychological (Propaganda kreig zwischen Wochenshau Ost & West) then physical (die Mauer). East Germans wanted to believe that they had living conditions equal or better to those in the West…They were wrong…but they were also lied to by the leaders of their society. It soon became impossible to keep the “truth” from the citizens of the DDR. They knew to a certain extent (when they had contact to the West) that they were lied to…how much was unimaginable until the wall came down. Germany currently lives with an emotional “Mauer” (wall) to the Western world. They want to believe that they are at par with the English-speaking world they admire. They are not. They are about 10-20 years behind. I’m speaking of the day-to-day lives of the average German. Compare 2 demographically equal (gender, race, age, etc.), equally educated, equally employed people living in Gemany & any English speaking (1st World) country. ANYONE WHO IS NOT FLUENT IN BOTH ENGLISH & GERMAN, HAS NOT SPENT AT LEAST 2 YEARS IN AN ENGLISH-SPEAKING COUNTRY AND GERMANY IN THE LAST 5 YEARS IS IN NO POSITION TO MAKE STATEMENTS CHALLENGING MY ASSERTION!
Isn’t it racist to assume that “brown people” (Black American, Turkish, African) with money didn’t earn it legally. Even if you CLAIM now that you don’t think so, most people do. The VW guy in my example doesn’t care that I do a job that’s “worth more” than what he gets paid. If he did, then he would acknowledge what I have invested in my career. He might think that Lawyers, Basketball players, & CEOs (managers) are over-paid. The fact of the matter is that he can’t do what they do as well as they do it, he didn’t invest the same time & energy & accordingly isn’t “worth” as much for his work. It’s actually 100% fair. When I fly, I get on the plane first…because I’m one of the airline’s best customers. Is that fair? Of course it is. It’s a privilege that is open to everyone willing to do what it takes. Fly 75,000 miles in a year & you can do it too. But wait, you have no reason to fly that often. Furthermore you have better things to do with your money that to fly a lot. The average guy who flies to Mallorca once a year isn’t loyal to one airline…he flies with the cheapest…it’s what’s most important to him. Instead of carrying around my receipts showing how loyal I’ve been with 1 airline, I carry my platinum card. I went to school, VW guy went to parties. I trained & perfected my abilities. VW guy went to an internship for a job he KNEW did not pay as much as mine. Fair?...100%.
A school who decides in the 4th grade what my future “caste” will be is not free-thinking & therefore cannot teach what they are not (Just like a country that has always been a monarchy cannot teach another country to be a democracy). A school is unlikely to challenge the “matrix” constructed by the establishment that gives them their funding. Spend some time at a privately funded German school & you will see a drastic difference in curriculum & thinking.
The Ladenschlußgesetzt (the federal laws that let stores be open for business only when the government allows it) was antiquated when it was created. Unless you are married & so well paid that your spouse can stay home & raise the children (or collect welfare), laws where all stores close at the same time is impractical (if you get off work at 5 & the stores all close at 6:30, should all single working people be expected to go shopping in this 1 ½ hour period?) Germany wasn’t that kind of society anymore after the war. The law was a poor attempt to level the playing field between large & small businesses in an attempt to discourage competition. Most affected workers are paid hourly. The more they work, the more they get paid…they don’t suffer due to longer business hours. A business owner (with a sensible business model) who is open longer can make more revenue…he doesn’t suffer due to longer business hours. Consumers want to spend their money…the longer stores are open the more money they can spend….they don’t suffer due to longer business hours. Consumers can only buy goods & services when the businesses are open. Here is where the Achilles heel is. If Aldi is closed & Real is still open, Real gets my money. In the beginning everybody played by the same rules & nothing changed…like a cartel. The internet changed all that. The internet never closes, doesn’t belong to a union, & doesn’t discriminate. The dramatic rise in internet shop |
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tinimini...
what is ya husband workin for? perhaps u have to start a career in the tourism industry. or perhaps u have to move to berlin, dresden, cologne, munster or hambourg and ya opinion gonna be changed.
in the rhineland or frankfurt u have a lot of americans cause of the natostation.flyindutch
08 Jun 2009, 06:58 - Report
angry on germans
SO THEY ARE DELETED MY LAST COMMENT...I HOPE THEY WONT HEAR ABOUT IT.angry on germans
09 Jun 2009, 04:33 - Report
Opinion of a Lithuanian
I'm in and from Vilnius, Lithuania and I've been to both USA and Germany and to many other countries, enjoyed them and I always wanted to go back home, and I did. I love my country and I think that all countries are beautiful. I always met beautiful friendly people in Germany and USA too and I do not understand why do you find Germany so sucky? Perhaps because you suck yourself? I'm sorry, I did not mnean to insult, but really, take a look at a mirror, mirror of life.Jonas
11 Jun 2009, 01:49 - Report
Bayern
Bayern(Bavaria) is the south end of Germany. Most of the cities there where built by the romans and in fact it ist the richest part of germany, with less homeless people then anywhere in Germany else (And by the way, accumulation is better than in the other parts, too).
Till the WW1, Bavaria was its own kingdom and some old people there still think, that it would be better, if it still would be like before. (And its a bit right, too. Woth the Fall of the Wall between east and west Germany, we all had to pay very much money to recreate the German economy)
Now all put together:
Bavarians arent arrogant, just a bit proud of their past.Steve
11 Jun 2009, 03:54 - Report
Länderfinanzausgleich
@ Steve: why they r proud of something (affluence in bavaria) they haven´t created. In Germany there is a stateadjustment and Bavaria was a long time a recipientstate. But they have forgotten this fact. NRW for example never gonna forget this fact because NRW or BW is always paying.flyindutch
11 Jun 2009, 07:04 - Report
OK,
If Germany is dirty you must have not been to Oklahoma yet! I have seen more racism here from native Indians towards white people than I ever saw in Germany!
Maybe if you changed your attitude people would be more friendly towards you?for real
11 Jun 2009, 09:52 - Report
Deutschland ist die Beste in der Welt!
Ich wohne in der Ukraine und glaube das Deutschland ist die Beste. Das ist traumfart schön, die Natur ist wunderbar und die Leute sind freundlich, höflich.Alexander
12 Jun 2009, 07:41 - Report
Germany/Bavaria
Its always the same, some people hate Germany because its "full of Nazis"(But thats wrong), and others like our country because of its landscapes, the weather and the people. There will always be 2 groups, the ones who hate Germany and the one who like germany and noone can change anything at their opinion.
And now back to Bavaria: People all around in Germany dont like Bayern, because the people there are "arrogant".But arent they arrogant theirselves, if they say, that we Bavarians are stinky arrogant people, who look down on the rest of the population.
I dont know why the rest of germany hates us, but its not our fault, everybody is a bit proud of his past and its just a fact, that the pupils in Bavaria are a bit smarter and that the money is better shared over the populace.Steve
13 Jun 2009, 02:56 - Report
@Steve: Whole Germany doesn´t hate Bavaria. But pl. make a difference between Bavaria and Franken. flyindutch
15 Jun 2009, 01:33 - Report
PRIDE
Do I have too much or do you have too little?
I don't hate Germany, but am often frustrated by Germans. If you are not German this may help you understand them. If you are German this may help you understand yourself
I am a foreigner living in Germany. If you are German & have lost your job, I did not take it. You can not do what I earn money doing. I have earned the respect of many Germans for my work. From Udo Lindenberg to the alcoholic neighbor & Harz IV empfanger of one of my employees. I employ Germans & stimulate the German economy with my taxes & spending.
Authoritative comments & comparisons between countries about the quality of life there should be limited to persons who have LIVED in the respective countries. That includes but is not limited to being an official resident, renting an apartment in your own name, being gainfully employed, filing income tax returns, learning the language, & being socially engaged in the community (not just an enclave of ex-patriots). I say this not to devalue anyone's opinion but to distinguish between impressions from a short term visit and the experience that comes with residence.
The German "experience" is very different if you are vacationing, studying, living with your native born spouse, self-employed, (by the average German)instantly racially/nationally visually identifiable (Black, Russian, Asian, Middle Eastern, etc.), wealthy, speak fluent accent-free German, etc. Taking the advice of anyone fitting a drastically different profile than your own could be problematic. Native Africans have a very different experience in the United States as slave descendant African-Americans. A third generation Azerbaijani man has a much different perspective as woman visiting Kreuzberg from Turkey.
Having objectively observed German culture for more than 12 years, I believe I have discovered the cause for many of the behaviors that many foreigners find objectionable.
Self-esteem/Self-Worth/Pride...or more correctly the lack thereof. Very few Germans under 30 have any pride. Many who say that they are proud are overcompensating to combat prevailing views of their country. The line between national pride & exclusionary extremism is seen as dangerously thin & is therefore not popular. A man who hangs a German flag in his apartment window or in his backyard (when no German national team is in a championship) will make his neighbors (and any foreigners in the area) nervous. Civic pride that is seen as positive for many of us back home is virtually unheard of here. Populations who suffer from low self-esteem do not integrate well. They are fearful & mistrusting of outsiders. There is often a lack of education & social exposure that exacerbates this condition. The children & grandchildren of the war generation have transmitted the diminished expectations that they experienced after WWII. Post war life in the countries of the Allies were times of great social & financial growth. The media age allows every new advance to be instantly advertised around the world. Countries not experiencing such growth & prosperity become bitter. Jealousy becomes an epidemic. This manifests itself as hate & there are widespread attempts to discredit & devalue the more successful society (the propaganda battle between East & West Germany is a prime example). Personal & inherited war shame + low self-esteem + the media age x jealousy = Defeated Master Race Syndrome. (or DMRS) It is highly contagious & most Germans have a terminable case of it but haven't been diagnosed. Many who seek treatment escape from Germany to prevent re-infection. This decreases the number of "Proud Germans" & the talent pool (higher skilled/educated Germans are infinitely more like to leave Germany than those with a minimum education).
Seen with a compassionate eye Germans are a potentially good society currently affected by an enormous list of disadvantages. It is their unwillingness/inability to improve that many foreigners find horrible. If you come from an optimistic country, Germany will smother you. If you come from a country where inefficient or outdated rules can be repealed or overlooked, Germany will stifle you. If you come from a society where individualism is cherished, Germany will mock you. If you bring your originality to Germany, they will copy you. If you come to Germany & look better than, dress better than, earn more money than, have deeper faith than, receive more education than, have a bigger home than, have a bigger car than, or are happier than the average German, they will hate you....but these are all symptoms of Defeated Master Race Syndrome. Unless you are able to find those Germans who have been cured of (or hopefully never got) this ailment you will experience this.
Architects of the Third Reich could not have predicted that those that fled or survived their regime would rise to control much of the media is the USA. Accordingly the atrocities of WWII are retold with Dolby surround sound in theaters all over the world & probably will in perpetuity (lest anyone forget we'll release a new story every 18 months). Germany is not the only country to commit genocide...just the only one to do it in the media/information age where their victims have the power to tell the world & make a profit while doing it. As long as this is the case Germany will never escape its past & the world will never be allowed to forget it.
Additional problems that I have observed but won't extensively elaborate on:
Low bithrate: kids are too expensive for Germans
Exorbitant Taxes: .83 cents from every euro spent on gas is taxes. 19% sales tax on goods. income tax rates that go as high as 44%. Taxes/Fees on everything there's even a "fun tax" (vergnügungssteuer).
Crumbling Socialized medicine that has not enough tax revenue to support itself.
Church buildings that are too old, too large that are exclusively supported through taxes that more and more people are opting out of because they see the church as unnecessary (& the church is content to collect tax revenue & not serve the community).
The devaluation of German products: Goods produced in Germany are often given Asian or American sounding names to increase their marketability INSIDE Germany.
Lack of home ownership: It is common in Germany to pay rent (sometimes in the same apartment) for more than 40 years.
School system: It is decided as early as the 4 grade if a child will go on to higher education.
Foreign Language: Many students learn a foreign language for more than 6 years, receive good grades, & can not speak it conversationally.
Creative Arts: Originality is not valued. Artistic quality is based on one ability to copy an existing work.
Capitalism: The USA is seen as the capitalistic monster, but it's Germany with 1/4 of the residents who sells more things to the world than any other country...$1,530,000,000,000 in 2008...where is all that money?
Insecure Germans reading this now are probably very angry...because the things that I'm saying are unfortunately true. When kids in school called my mother a whore, I asked them "When should she have time to have sex? Between board meetings, raising my brothers & sisters, church council, & volunteering to feed the homeless, there was no time for her to stand on the street corner too." My mother was a vice-president of a Fortune 500 company. I didn't become enraged because it was categorically untrue. If I call your Father a cocaine addicted slob who beats your mother & raped you...if I don't know him personally AND none of it is true, it won't affect you. If I've been to your house & witnessed his behavior & everyone knows about his police record, then you will become infuriated when I print it in the newspaper. Angry, uneducated, factless responses or Anti-Foreigner (Go Home!) posts from Germans will only confirm that what I am saying is true.
Many Germans are not aware of how they are. They think that the "mean cold Germans" are somebody else. They don't see that they never smile while walking down the street. They don't recognize that they are rude to customers at their job. They don't see it as in their job description to be nice. They don't see that treating customers/clients nice is good for business...because in Germany it isn't. Most companies are not dependent on customer satisfactions, because a rudely treated customer still comes back. A rude salesperson in other countries would be fired or at the least earn less money through lower sales/commissions. German workers with direct customer contact have no motivation to treat you decently...so they don't.
Don't take it COMPLETELY personal...they treat each other the same way. Germans treat one another badly & hate it. They endlessly complain when they have to interact with governmental agencies, but won't fund these agencies giving the workers horrible working conditions. They hate rude people in public but cut in line themselves when they are in a hurry. They hate the lack of customer service (Servicewüste Deutschland), but accept it as normal.Germans hate cheap laborers from Eastern Europe but want everything for the lowest price possible. They exert twice as much energy complaining about their lives as it would require to make choices to improve it. The connection between choices & experience has escaped the German people. They believe that "Sh*t Happens" is a mantra. They don't see that they "chose Sh*t" & more importantly chose not to try to clean it up afterwards. If they offend someone or make a racial slur, it's the other persons fault for getting offended..."Es ist halt so!" (it's like that). Political correctness & civil courage are non-existent.
All of these things are the product of Post-War shame, low self-esteem/self-worth, the media age, & jealousy. Until these conditions change the climate will remain the same in German...continuing to worsen until it is unable to sustain life.
There are nice places in Germany & nice people as well. Your experience with Germans will completely depend on what/who you are by comparison. The things I describe are common in large cities as well as small towns. If you are not seen as better, a threat to their way of life, & don't cause or represent change...then your chances of a positive experience increases.
Know what you're up against & be realistic.
RNronniesneffe
16 Jun 2009, 04:05 - Report
@ ronniesneffe
Hi ronniesneffe,
interesting text and by far the most porfound. Some descriptions r applicable but often u jump to a conclusion. Often u argue black and white. U enumerated chinks and problems of the german society (following ya opinion) but don´t refelect the causations. U listed the negative things but ignored the positve aspects. and there r many postive things.
i respect your opinion but definitily do not agree and definitely with your attitude. And iam also a foreigner.
Greets
p.s."The USA is seen as the capitalistic monster, but it's Germany with 1/4 of the residents who sells more things to the world than any other country...$1,530,000,000,000 in 2008...where is all that money?" - What do u mean wiv that question? U know what the export includes? It doesn´t deals exclusive with in Germany produced products which r sold in the whole world. Ohh no! Germany works also like a cross-docking centre. Especially the Netherlands. They transport and they deal. They r service providers but do not produce. So the whole world keep alive by the german and dutch export work.flyindutch
16 Jun 2009, 11:15 - Report
I am going to visit Germany soon... is that "racism" really exist?
Well for a strange reason(Looking for Germany of course) I ended up in this forum and now I feel kind of afraid, there are a lot of positive and negative commentaries as well but the second ones seemed to be part of the majority, however these vacations I am going to visit Germany especially Berlin and Hamburg. I am going in a tour of different countries, and Germany is the last one I am going to visit, I'll stay there by my own maybe 2 weeks, but with all the things you are saying, I am thinking about myself as a woman in there.
I don't even speak the language, but I can manage, english, spanish and some french, so I thought it was kind of enough.
In my personal opinion I don't have anything against that country and I think the are amazing in a lot of aspects. I have had some german friends and they are not the nicest people on earth but for 2 or 4 people I won't put the entire country and say something negative, because I don't know anything yet. (at least by my own) all the information we read from everywhere shouldn't be immediately believe it. We have our own judgement to see if is true or not.
Anyways I am here for any recommendation I am a mexican girl of 24 years old.
Thank youKarla
17 Jun 2009, 12:12 - Report
@karla
Hey Karla,
I think its not the right forum here to ask this question. this forum is totally not objective because u have the possibilty to write wiv different identities.
Look at the different threads equal of germany, france, uk, swiss, italy....
its full of racist judgments. The most aswers r written by one persons or by sick persons who believe in political groups which hates Europe, Germany and believe that the helocentrism is an atheistic doctrine.
for the last time the only one who criticised Germany in an ambitious way was "ronniesneffe" but not every fact is right.
I cannot speak spanish really well but I noticed that the spanish threads r more differentiated. There was also a girl who wrote the applicable sentence - "Everybody loves their country and this we have to respect. Try to act in respect and the doors r open in europe."
Please, follow this fact and don´t be interacted by so much intolerance of some guys here .
The best way is to talk wiv people and makin your own experiences. And please, don´t be so sensitive because its Germany. Often made bad a bad experience also because of their character and project it directly on Germany and the history. Don´t make this mistake.
I can give u the advice that u have to learn some sentences in the native language. For Germany for example....
- Guten Tag
- Auf Wiedersehen
- Können Sie mir helfen?
- Wo ist....
- Ich bin aus Mexiko.
-.......
It´s the same like in every country. For example in France really try to speak french. They don´t really like to speak english because they r ashamed to speak english wiv their accent as well as they have some prejudices regarding the british people.
Show the gesture of goodwill and u r welcome in every country.
Concluding... iam also a foreigner in Germany and my girlfriend is from portugal. We have never bad bad experiences in Germany.
So enjoy Berlin. It´s one of the most creative and alterable metropoles of the world. If u want to see more I can give u the advice to visit for example...
Münster, Trier, Dresden, Heidelberg, Aachen, the Loreley, the Allgaeu....
Greetsflyindutch
17 Jun 2009, 04:06 - Report
@karla
http://www.goethe.de/ins/mx/lp/esindex.htm flyindutch
17 Jun 2009, 04:31 - Report
@mr_black
ohhh...a new synonymflyindutch
21 Jun 2009, 01:24 - Report
Thanks flyindutch =)
Thanks for taking the time to answer me, I know is not the correct place, but usually none is...
I just get worried but it's kind stupid, I will discover the fascinating Germany by myself and I will get my own opinion about it...
and about the people who is always insulting they should be ashamed, being rude is not the solution of anything it only shows how ignorant you are.
Be happy anyways.karla
21 Jun 2009, 07:08 - Report
@Karla
Hi Karla,
nice to hear that u gonna visit Europe! If need some official information u can also visit following link...
http://www.socmexaleberlin.com/index2.html
If u need more information (e.g. nice hostels, bars, cultural places, music etc.) u can contact me via Skype. My nick is "chartierkr".
I think its better to write via mail.
Have fun!flyindutch
21 Jun 2009, 06:40 - Report
it's up to you...
I myself am German and I stayed abroad for one year (in a country - not USA - that sadly many Germans are prejudiced against) so my view on certain subjects changed a bit due to seeing a lot of things from a different perspective.
I can understand ronniesneffes point of view to some degree. That negative attitude towards life, that he described, is also a product of a mass media campaign to broadcast negative aspects all kinds of areas. If you follow the news closely, you'll find that it is quite common to downgrade any kinds of stuff related to Germans or German culture. Part of that is due to the fact, that Germans go to great lengths to prevent any kind of idea hinting that they might support a nazi idea and another reason is that it is also not good for making money (media) or isn't a good basis for making politics if things go well. With all the negative views spread it is likely that people end up getting frustrated to a gread deal.
Personally I am fed up with this public pressure of always having to display the obligatory post-war shame. I have not lived in that time and I am not responsible for any crimes committed there. Yes they are horrible and should never be committed again but you cannot expect Germans to grow out of this low self-esteem issue if you still keep on hitting them with the hammer of righteousness on their heads. Fact is that there is no other nation that doesn't have a dirty past but it is mostly the Germans the finger is pointed on. I have to say, also because they let others point their fingers on them. We live in a country that tries to be one of the best at everything, even at repenting
I strongly have to disagree with what was said above about things being bad here if you are a good person or better than the average in some ways. That would depend on your own attitude towards others and how you view them. If you think you're better than them and openly show this (intentionally or unintentionally)... well then also be prepared to get some unfriendly response.
Other than that you cannot expect noone to get jealous of you if you're more successful than many others but that will happen as well if you are a German. I know a couple of people (non-Germans) who accomplished way more than the average middle-class people and they NEVER had trouble due to this fact as far as I know. Personally I couldn't ever imagine me or some other German I know being rude or unfriendly towards a foreigner just because he/she has achieved more.. Geez, that's a gross view of things, I am wondering where that came from?! Or maybe you just like to see things that way?
Some reasons why Germans (I am using Germans now but you can use any other ethnic group instead easily) often have negative views on things are also because they are made to believe that things are actually that way. Schools teach us that an impartial point of view is standard so people believe they are well-informed by the media (Germany is a developed country after all). They start believing what is shown to them and when the time comes for them to use their own head and maybe finally relize that it wasn't entirly true what they believed, irritation and sometimes frustration are very likely to appear. Especially if they liked the original picture in their head because it was convenient to them.
A thing some people don't realize about Germany is that life here is going on behind the walls and usually not out on the streets. There are clubs to join or the circle of friends to meet with or the family.. etc. For some foreigners it might not be easy to get past these walls and thus feel left out of the loop. Germany then becomes boring, cold and rude. But it is actually more likely for a foreigner to get invited than for a native precicely because he/she is a non-German.
And about the lack of customer service... that is subject to change these days.
And let's not forget: it is always easier to see the negative side of things because the positive aspects are considered natural (and therefore are not worth of much notice)
Don't go looking for the bad stuff, look for nice things. And that doesn't apply only to a lot of Germans but also to the other pessimists around
I like this country for my own reasons and I like others too. They all have good and bad aspects and it is not a subject for general judgement wether one is worse or better than the other or not. That's a matter of personal preference.
@ Karla: Nice to hear you'll visit the country! Don't be afraid, there won't be any Germans waiting for a mexican girl around the corner just to throw mean words at her Have a little faith in humanity! I wish you a nice trip!! mee
21 Jun 2009, 11:02 - Report
@mee
"But it is actually more likely for a foreigner to get invited than for a native precicely because he/she is a non-German"
Ich stimme dir zu. Spricht aber auch dafür, dass es ein besonderes Interesse bzw. ein Neugier gegenüber Fremden in Deutschland gibt. - Allerdings du sollst das weiter ausführen. Versteht bestimmt nicht jeder.
Viele grüßeflyindutch
22 Jun 2009, 12:45 - Report
ENVY
The lack of bitter, counter-productive responses is encouraging.
I am aware that I express thoughts that many would prefer to deny or ignore. First my direct responses:
@Karla: Nice name. You trip appears to be focused around large "West" (influenced) cities. I say influenced because technically Berlin isn't in the West part of the country. Your experience would differ extremely if you were visiting smaller or "decidedly Eastern" German cities. Additionally it will be relatively brief. This plus your youth & two "X" chromosomes probably means you will have the time of your life. Being female might be your greatest asset overall. Sad but true. People of different genders who are placed in the same set of circumstances typically have more positive experience from the social (human) components. Anyone courageous (or foolhardy) enough to visit countries without a common language probably will probably be flexible & can roll with the punches.
I wish you a great trip. Extra-Tip: Advertising the fact that you are Mexican & JUST VISITING could improve your experience.
@mee: Your comments about German jealousy seem naïve if not completely in denial.
Neid, Volkskrankheit? Germans are notoriously jealous of one another & foreigners. To offer sugar-coated opinions to the contrary is reckless. This dynamic to everyday personal & professional social interactions in Germans is something persons wishing to live/study in Germany need to know. People considering something as extreme as relocating need such details in order to make informed decisions. We all place different importance on the components that make up life in a particular environment. For one, the quality of scientific education is all that matters, for another it’s public safety (low incidence of gun violence), & yet another is focused on availability/cost of health care. Maybe for Ms. Yamamoto a lack of religious diversity/tolerance is a deal breaker, for Mr. Abdullah it’s taxes & Mr. Smith can’t handle certain social peculiarities. Isn’t it fair to tell Mr. Smith the truth & let him make the best decision based on as much information as possible? A fully informed resident is far more productive than a disillusioned one. Naturally things like jealousy affect people on vacation to a lesser extent, but they too should have access to accurate information. If you don’t act envious, then you are happy & satisfied with your life, what you have, & what you have earned…IN COMPARISON TO THOSE AROUND YOU! The guy working at the assembly line at VW waiting in line for soccer tickets is not jealous of the drunken homeless guy passed out in the alley. He IS envious of the Turkish/Russian guy who just drove by in his new S-Klasse on his way to the VIP entrance to his luxury box in the Allianz Arena. This is not healthy “I wish I had that” or “wow, cool” form but a much more insidious form. VW guy (hab nichts gegen band arbeitern bei VW…es ist NUR als beispiel…some of my best friends work at VW …really) will be irritated anytime he sees someone pay with a large Euro note, wearing clothes that appear expensive, driving a nice car, or any other signs of success which VW guy does not have. Many Germans resent those who have or show prosperity. There is an unwritten rule that you are not supposed to have more than your neighbor…& if you do, hide it! Germans (& foreigners alike) often relocate or live lives of secrecy rather than risk the envious friends of their “former lives”. The mixing of economic classes often ends badly. The source of the prosperity is irrelevant to the offended party. VW guy doesn’t care that you legally & ethically earned what you have. To him it’s “not fair”. (dass du hast für 8 Jahre studiert & war mehrmals befördert spielt keine rolle.) Furthermore, you should have been content to your prosperity as to not make anyone else feel inferior by comparison.
I don’t feel your schools encourage free thinking, but rather the perpetuation of “The Emperor’s New Clothes”. This creates a society that will defend to the death certain accepted social principles despite their obsolescence. Ladenschlussgesetz: An impractical sign of German inflexibility for over 50 years. It was obsolete at its inception, but has been used as a piece of propaganda to advance various agendas. Despite the fact that most Germans find its limits stifling, it has been the political sacred cow since 1956. Those defending it have threatened that its elimination would result in the destruction of families, exploitation of the working class, & fabric of society becoming irrevocably unstitched.
I empathize with your “Post-War” shame & agree that it may seem unfair that you must bare its burden. In my previous post I eluded to the fact that the Germans picked the wrong race & the wrong time to perpetuate genocide.(there is, course, no “right” race or “right” time to commit mass murder) The victims of the Holocaust have a voice…very loud, electronic, mass marketed, all-reaching, digital surround sound, downloadable voice. Every German reading this may want to grab a strong drink because you are probably not going to like my solution for you. Since it’s highly unlikely that Jewish people relinquish their influence in the media & even less likely that they will stop talking about the Holocaust, Germans have only two options. Shame or Change. If the only negative thing about German society was its WWII legacy, then this board wouldn’t exist & we would all be eating Waldmeister ice cream in Schloss Neuschwanstein. Hitler took advantage of deeply rooted behaviors & beliefs to create the Third Reich. Without the fertile social conditions, his rise to power would have been impossible, fruitless, or unremarkable. Ironically, (based on the “no jealousy” post), among the contributing factors was widespread jealousy & envy of the large & successful Jewish population. Modern-day Germans have not made great strides in their popularity (especially among neighboring countries). Germans are often seen as cold, depressed, envious, jealous, inflexible, backward-thinking, & cheap. (THESE CONDITIONS ARE, OF COURSE FOUND IN EVERY SOCIETY, I’M ONLY LISTING COMMON IMPRESSIONS OF GERMANS) Every German knows what is meant by “Typisch Deutsch”. I submit that every time a German, REGARDLESS OF GENERATION, behaves in this manner it validates, perpetuates, & propagates the negative perceptions & stereotypes about German people. Every one of us comes from a culture or nationality with well known negative stereotypical traits. When we fulfill those stereotypes we do ourselves, all those like us, & our future generations a disservice. YOU ARE YOUR CHOICES. If you don’t want to live with Post-War shame, make Germany & Germans (by your actions) something less shameful. Make “Typisch Deutsch” something positive. If YOU change what “typical” German behavior is, then the opinions & stereotypes will change as well.
The media can talk all day about your past, but if your present is unequivocally different…then it’s just talk. If you aren’t who they say you are, then make who you are louder than who they “think” you are.
@mr_black: I am curious to hear specifics about your situation. In as exacting detail as possible. I find it fascinating to compare & contrast the individual components & choices that make up an individual’s experience. By exchanging this information we can enable to others to make better decisions for themselves. I received very subtle advice during my first visits that were difficult to decipher & interpret. Of course “if I knew then what I know now” would have played an extensive role in my decision-making, but I’m not so sure that my overall choice would have been altered. I feel that we have the opportunity to offer those at a crossroad as to their country of residence a powerful tool. My goal is not to bash Germany but rather to remove the illusions & denial. Please make sure that you are objective in your sharing. If you just rant, then you give ample fodder to those who reminisce about “the good ol’ days” (damals war alles besser) & those living in denial. Be clear & if you must include emotional details, make sure that it is discernable.
@flyindutch: Of all the people who have ever (anonymously) disagreed with me, your words have given me the greatest desire to meet & talk.
In conclusion:
The beauty of German churches, cities, parks, forests, & castles is legendary. The exhilaration of her Autobahn is the stiff that dreams are made of. Germany’s Schiffshebewerke (boat lifts) are awe-inspiring engineering marvels. Her Denkmalen (monuments) & structures are breathtaking. Even the preservation of Konzentrationslagern (Concentration camps) is admirable. If you drive at 230 km/h on A14 freeway after visiting the Völkerschlachtdenkmal in Lepzig, stop & see the last work from Hundertwasser in Magdeburg, walk the historic district of Lüneburg, watch the 38 meter ship elevator around the corner in Scharnebeck, trek west to see the Cologne Cathedral (600 years in the making), then back south to watch people surfing the canal in München, head back up & hug a column of the Brandenburger Tor & then make it to Rügen and…do nothing, you will know (some of) the beauty of Germany…BUT… Just as you need to inform yourself about the best way to go about visiting these places, you need to be prepared for the mentalities of some of the people you will meet along the way. If your stay requires anything more than a Schengen Visa, there are a number undeniable historical, political, psychological, & socio-economic realities that must be faced.
RNronniesneffe
22 Jun 2009, 08:43 - Report
Would restrict myself to going Germany
I had leant some basic German for 1.5 years while in Asia. After visiting Germany for a few times already, my views of Germany changed. Basically a lot of threads that were said about Germans were true to a certain extend. My views seems to get worst exponentially with increase visitations to Germany.
At least now I know more about Germany now, and at least I've made a decision not stay in any Germany states in my lifetime and will restrict my tourist euros there. My holiday money spent elsewhere would make me happy. Anyway, Germany dont need your tourist Euros as they are already technologically export oriented and most of them will be more happy for you not to visit their country.Asian Tiger
23 Jun 2009, 02:06 - Report
¡Hola!
First at all thanks for everyone who is giving me an answer( I didn't
expect it and you are behaving like gentlemen) and yeah Flyindutch Ill add u in Skype =)!!!!!!!
Second eeeh I just didn't get some things and I don't want to break my head... thinking..
I just want to go direct to the point...
So what does it mean "Being female might be yout greatest assest overall..."
that sounded strange... I mean I don't want to do any conclusion so Ill wait ur answer..
and about..
I wish you a great trip. Extra-Tip: Advertising the fact that you are Mexican & JUST VISITING could improve your experience
I mean why the JUST VISITING is in Mayús ha ha, is it forbidden to stay there?
Actually I have some germans friends from my highschool, I dated one of them for half a year and we were cool all the time,
obviously we had our culture problems...anyways...
He is going to take me to some parts in Germany now that I go and almost all the time, he says he wants me to stay in there...
so you are saying if I do u will hate me?
I never had a purpose to go anywhere I mean, I travel because I can and want(I am on vacations!) plus Germany is the last country I am going to go,
there are people who is totally happy with the enviroment
that is around, I am mexican but I have a great life and thank God a good family that supports me, but if I want to try another thing
like staying there, should i be ashamed? I don't think learning a language is that difficult, actually I love german and japanese, but
since english is more important in here and I live in a small place I couldn't study it yet. I use to visit some things online, though.
I am just saying... I just want your opinon.
I hate when all in here make everything general and sometimes including me!
But being marked as a country is like being a cow.. burned.. yeah it sounds stupid and maybe what I am saying doesn't have anything to do
with this discussion, because honestly a lot of things that you said are pretty complicated hehehe...
But... there are a lot people, honest, hardworker and that don't need anything else for others...
ALL OF US are different... theres good, bad or stupid people in every country...
GreetingsKarla
24 Jun 2009, 02:23 - Report
Mistake*
A lot of things I wrote are questions to ronniesneffe, I am sorry I did it so quickly because I was leaving that I made mistakes.Karla
24 Jun 2009, 10:20 - Report
WRATH
@Karla: Germans are sometimes known for their hate & anger. I was trying to give you tips to get you the opposite.
Girls are more easily accepted as strangers. No one is threatened. Young, pretty girls are often very popular (school, parties, discos, etc.). The people we meet on vacation know us superficially. What's one of the most basic things we identify when we see someone for the first time? Gender. As a light brown young woman you will be much more accepted by the majority than a Black or Arabian man.
There is often racial & cultural tension between Germans & Arabic people (especially Turkish). Many Germans cannot tell the difference between similarly looking races/nationalities. Presumably you are a light brown girl with dark hair. To the "average" German...without any additional clues (language, culture specific clothing, Mexican money)...would look at you & think you were Turkish (or Arabian). Making it obvious for an adult with a 9th grade education (a dummy) or one who's never seen a non-stereotypical Mexican can help you avoid confusion. You also don't want to mistakenly be the recipient of "Anti-Turkish" sentiments.
If everyone thinks/know that you are just on vacation then you won't be confronted by very uncomfortable invasive questions. There are people who might feel threatened by "yet another" foreigner moving here. Many Germans are uneducated on immigration specifics think that EVERY foreigner receive large subsidies from the Government. This is of course false. SOME asylum seekers receive assistance, but it's not enough for anybody to reasonably live on & you wouldn't let your dog sleep in the horrible places the state has for asylum applicants. Some Germans are just generally nationalistic & don't appreciate foreigners of any kind. Many people are threatened by people who want to settle in Germany. "Will they have kids?", "How should they afford to stay here?", "Who's job will they take?", etc.. Many Germans operate under a "lack mentality". They think that there is not enough to go around. If you work then that means that there is a German out of work. Now you might be a double Dr. in Immunology & Micro biology...you're not stealing that job from anyone...you'd actually be replacing one of the countless top scientists who leave Germany every year for other countries. Many Germans regret that the Government invited workers (Turkey, Poland, Italy, etc.) to come rebuild after the war & were quite shocked to learn that these people wanted to then settle here & have families. Accordingly Germany has (like any other country with immigrants) growing racial & cultural problems. Being conspicuously Mexican & visiting keeps you from being caught up in these issues.
When you visit, try to notice the number of Germans over 25 who laugh in public or are smiling. You might be able to count them on one hand during your two week stay. The average German is not happy with his/her life & IS DOING NOTHING TO IMPROVE IT! If you are happy (that you are alive for example) it only draws more attention to the fact that they are not. There are those (if you were living here as a student/resident) who would dislike you for no other reason than your life is "good".
Many Germans have a "mentality of lack" when it comes to personal wealth & prosperity. If you have 1000 Euros to spend, that means that there are 1000 less Euros to be had & is cause for panic & jealousy. If you come on vacation & you "appear" wealthy, there are those who will be very jealous of you. This jealousy is not hidden & is very common. If you have money to spend (expensive new dress, watch, bag, etc.), unless you want to hear someone micro-manage or criticize how you spend YOUR money...don't do it overtly. Self-indulgence is looked upon poorly...because that something that people do when they're happy & enjoying their life (see above). I have Mexican relatives & they celebrate life to the fullest.
Come. Have the time of your life. Just be aware of what attitudes you might meet & be prepared. Forewarned is fore-armed (if you know what you are up against, you can be better prepare...whatever happens)
I sincerely wish you the best.
RNronniesneffe
25 Jun 2009, 01:08 - Report
Regarding your penultimate comment.....
Ronniesneffe, thanks for your text. But while reading your text it became clear for me what is meant with the synonym “baby-English”. At the beginning I had some problems to understand you. The word order of the American English is sometimes really confusing. This experience I have also done with the book “Operation Management” of the publisher Mc Graw-Hill Irwin. Some old German economic people have described our superficial school-English, which is also used in some enterprises, as counterproductive. It doesn’t improve the efficiency. Understandingly, but I hope I’ll improve my English.
Because, you also observed indirectly, we’ve not the possibility to sit opposite each other wiv a cold “Jever”, I want to comment quoting on your statements.
I don’t know how I have to express it, but with the most of your comment I agree regarding the basic construct, but I have the opinion that it needs to be seen more in a more nuanced light as well as described more differentiated. Furthermore in such a non-objective board it is important to describe the subject in relation to as well as to the positive things. Otherwise it depict a skewed view what can be quite dangerous and certainly abolish chances. In this spirit I’m glad that Karla has a pleasant and a not always self-explanatory tolerant view. It would be paradisiacal if only 50 percent of the humanity would have such an attitude. With comparing I mean also comparing the historical, social, demographical and geographical circumstances. The mere fact that Germany has 10 neighbour countries it is difficult to compare. So its conceivable that there are conflict situations. It become clear that Germany is and was a product of the environment. The Americans should know it exactly. The American politic has and had a significant influence in Germany. That begins wiv the German identity as well as wiv the German position on the Israel – Palestine conflict.
In the following I´ll comment your statements:
- “I wish you a great trip. Extra-Tip: Advertising the fact that you are Mexican & JUST VISITING could improve your experience.“ – You agree wiv the opinion of „mee“ that there is a general interest regarding foreign cultures in Germany? Regarding this fact I’ve made a lot experience. For example with my Portuguese girl friend. The people always evince friendly interest. When the people hear her name you´re always hearing…”Ohhhh….du bist aus Portugal?! Das ist ja schön! Erzähl mal!
- “Isn’t it fair to tell Mr. Smith the truth & let him make the best decision based on as much information as possible? A fully informed resident is far more productive than a disillusioned one. Naturally things like jealousy affect people on vacation to a lesser extent, but they too should have access to accurate information.” – I hold that you reflect too much in detail but differentiate insufficient. It´s really important to consider the bad and good things. Otherwise it’s not fair and irresponsible. I also distinguish in Brazil or in the USA. I can also numerate numerical problems but also regard the positive things and evaluate. If I account only the bad things, I act prejudiced and intolerant. I don’t want to abuse u as a intolerant person. Ohhh no, far from it! I believe that u differentiate for your own.
- “If you don’t act envious, then you are happy & satisfied with your life, what you have, & what you have earned…IN COMPARISON TO THOSE AROUND YOU!” – In general your statement is right. But regarding our theme it is important to differentiate in a more detailed way. It is important to consider the social, historical and ideological circumstances. In Germany and the most parts of Europe there is a socialistically awareness what is really difficult for the American to understand or they don’t have the needed horizon to understand this fact. I don’t want to act deprecatingly and I’ve also separate in this theme but I notice that even American politics have not the needed long-sightedness and the comprehension what the socialistically features includes. There r old men who abuse the democrats as communists or declaim the “New deal” as socialistically movement. The same I also recognized in Brazil. Definitely you are wondering why I accost the socialistically awareness regarding the theme of enviousness. I gonna try to summarise it in short sentences.
I have the opinion that enviousness is not only perception out of the humaneness or a result of the identity or education. I have made the experience that enviousness also results out of the coincidence of socialist ally and capitalist ally awareness. This you can notice in East Germany. And I know East Germany cause of my familiarly history and place of birth very well. I noticed that the enviousness in East Germany is really apparent. The reasons are really strange to be answered but I think it´s important to examine this phenomenon. The East Germans have a specific relation to consumption or rather the capitalism. For decades they lusted for “west products”. There were also people who collected Coca-Cola cans on their ledges. “Intershops” smelled like gums and for them the smell was paradisiacal. Otherwise there was a ideological big bang wiv the Fall of the Wall. It was a shock. The identity has been changed. For decades they cursed the enemy behind the “anti-fascistic protective barrier” and now they r also citizen of this country. This shock u cannot handle in a short time. This needs decades what many Germany do not understand. So, the East German is directly confronted with the colourful and sweet consumption products. He only smells “Intershop” and collaps. The paradise. At every corner they try to debauch him wiv grabby credits so he can have everything. But all of a sudden the East German recognise that he doesn’t get these things wiv a “Westpaket”. Money rules the world. He has to pull the strings and create an own self – confidence. A new identity, which disagrees wiv his old one. But he cannot pull down his old identity. That doesn´t work. That means that he acts wiv a less socialistically act in a capitalistically world. With the old attitude that the state has to care about my personal future and me he acts. Therefore he gets inflexible the financial profit stay away. With this demand of governmental care and the socialist ally thinking that every must have the same he begins to be inactive is asking for orders of the government. ( Germany is the country of reallocations. Everybody have to be aided.) But the the government cannot give him everything and so he cannot get everything he wants. With the old opinion everybody has to earn the same he ask….”why they earn more than me?”. And so there arise a new achievement of enviousness.
With this example I want to describe only one facet. I don’t want to declare that this is the only reason but I want make plain that it is complex to understand Germany. This country has undergone numerically metamorphosis and this includes problems, which has to be handled.
Enviousness is not always negative. It depends on how it is demonstrated. Negative, when u disapprove something someone. Positive, when u use it as a motivation.
- The guy working at the assembly line at VW waiting in line for soccer tickets is not jealous of the drunken homeless guy passed out in the alley. He I envious of the Turkish/Russian guy who just drove by in his new S-Klasse on his way to the VIP entrance to his luxury box in the Allianz Arena. – I think u haven chosen a really disadvantageous example. First, the VW employer is also envy when the homeless drunken guys because he miss the effort.
You but definitely not describing regarding this subject perhaps intentionally choose the example with the Turkish and the Russian. But I can tell a little bit about these phenomena. Actually I´m working for a car rental service while studying. We only rent luxury cars. 75 percent of my workmates have a Turkish background as well as we ´ve many Turkish customers…so I have a wonderful possibility to discuss about this subject. Intrinsically I don´t want to give rise to this subject, because I´m tired about this theme but I want to describe it regarding your example. Furthermore I want declaim that the most people wiv Turkish background starker opinion about his Turkish residents.
I want to speak about these guys who r sitting in their S- Klasse wiv their ritzy gold chain, intolerant music out of their boxes and gesturing in a aggressive way. I mean these guys who have adequate behaviour, only speaking a slang and recognised that the intelligence is really constricted. Empirically and cause of many dialogues wiv these guys and my Turkish co-workers, I know that these guys didn´t “earned” the money legally. So I cannot pat them on the back. I suppose that u would do the same. Only an example. You wouldn´t also pat the back of a candyman and say….”oh, well done.” I don’t want to continue this theme but I think u understand me.
Another theme is that a lot of is payed on tick, perhaps to demonstrate sth. Or to increase envy. In my enterprise I sing a song about it. But the most overlook this fact….
- “VW guy doesn’t care that you legally & ethically earned what you have.” – ahhh…. U mean the employer in Germany, Mexico and Brazil?
- “to him it’s “not fair”. (dass du hast für 8 Jahre studiert & war mehrmals befördert spielt keine rolle.)” – That´s the perfect example, I think. And really I cannot understand why these people cannot comprehend that diploma holder earn more money. The students have extensive additional costs but cannot earn a lot of money as well as they cannot pay for the pension fund while their studies. It means that they have to catch up this financial gap in a shorter time. Furthermore they will work in higher position with more responsibility, which have to be payed. We r not living in communism where the dustman earn the same like the engineer
- “I don’t feel your schools encourage free thinking, but rather the perpetuation of “The Emperor’s New Clothes”.” – I don’t think so. Especially in social studies freethinking is extensively encouraged. For example the Americans didn’t cover themselves with glory regarding this theme.
- “Ladenschlussgesetz: An impractical sign of German inflexibility for over 50 years.” – This catched out of the cloud to firm that the “LAdenschlussgesetze” r a symbol for the inflexibility of Germany. Regarding this topic there is also a socialistically and union background. Really absurd.
- “Ironically, (based on the “no jealousy” post), among the contributing factors was widespread jealousy & envy of the large & successful Jewish population.” – You definitely simplify this theme. Your conclusion seems to be “zurecht gelegt”. Envineous is not a German phenomenon. Regarding the Jewish population the envy was all over the world. There are still a lot of depreciative proverbs in English regarding Jews which describes their cursorily social position in the association. And it’s not rare that for example Americans use the word “Jew” as a cuss word.
- “Every German knows what is meant by “Typisch Deutsch”. I submit that every time a German, REGARDLESS OF GENERATION, behaves in this manner it validates, perpetuates, & propagates the negative perceptions & stereotypes about German people.” – I haven’t made such an experience. And often the statement “ Typisch Deutsch” is an invention by the Germans ´cause of their lacking self – confidence. The Germans notice these blanked statements too seriously. Mostly these statements are meant intentionally sketchy. For example the English often makes jokes about the Germans. But they find it amused and cannot understand why the Germans notice this too seriously. Another example was the images in a polish magazine with Mrs. Merkel in a Nazi – uniform. The most Polish magazines were ashamed about these images and when you research exactly u notice that this magazine belongs to the “Springer-Verlag”. I think that such simplifications u doesn’t have to notice too seriously. Americans, Mexican and Canadian don’t stint with such sweeping statement, too.
- “If you don’t want to live with Post-War shame, make Germany & Germans (by your actions) something less shameful.” – I think that Germany does a lot for his fame. They invest milliards for international promoted projects (e.g. “Action medeor” – the leading pharmaceutical public social aid in Europe), numerous “Goethe – Institute” and the secondary projects care for the international cultural cooperation and regarding the diplomacy Germans has often an interventional position. For example in middle East.
- “If YOU change what “typical” German behavior is, then the opinions & stereotypes will change as well.” – Everyone acts more or less like a stereotype. That’s humanly and a part of our identity. And a loss of identity was often the reason for brutal conflicts.
-“the media can talk all day about your past, but if your present is unequivocally different…then it’s just talk. If you aren’t who they say you are, then make who you are louder than who they “think” you are.” – Please, tell me who the Germans are? I hate the simple examples buts look at the German U-21 national soccerteam.
http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=500109
This is a small profile of Germany. Germany is no more …. “Schmidt”, “Schuhmacher”, “Meier”. Germany don´t have to demonstrate something. They have a new identity which can be seen positive. Germany is multi –cultural.
http://www.ropertz-...moschee-duisburg/00.jpg
The most have recognised this fact. And the Germans are at it.
Exemplary, I think that the French and the German society are alike a lot. In German journals you have the same social topics like in French journals. Symbolically the French journal “ Le Monde” and the German one “Berliner Zeitung” make regularly editions in common. That means…that at the front side “Le Monde” is printed and at the back the “Berliner Zeitung” . The motive is to show that the both association are quite similar. I think it’s a wonderful idea.
Finally, I want to call, that it is difficult for other nationalities to understand Germany. ´Cause of the geographical layer, the history and the resulting responsibility, Germany has special denotation. It is unacceptable to judge simply about Germany. That’s naïve, provincial, not fair, dump and not cosmopolitan.
Yours respectfully…….flyindutch
25 Jun 2009, 04:42 - Report
Hola!!
hola ronniesneffe
about what you wrote before, that the pretty girls are more easy accepted in Germany, yes maybe you can say that from the younger German men but not for the old people, or the unfriendly women that lives in Germany. They are so horrible and stupid because they treat bad one person without to know anything about this person or without to have a problem with this person. I will tell you something I came to Germany without too have any prejudice but the people learn how to be racist from the German people here.Maia
25 Jun 2009, 06:07 - Report
ronniesneffe is 100% correct
ronniesneffe is 100% correct. I love his conclusions and description.
Germany is shit when you you are a good individual. It's a country just like ronniesneffe described. Thank you very much for writing this excellent description of Germany and its people.great
26 Jun 2009, 12:22 - Report
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@flyindutch
Don’t insult my intelligence…
…or my grammar. The differences between English & American grammar are for the most part negligible…at least in this context. Your difficulty is rooted in the fact that you are not a native speaker. I believe that you can speak English…but until your proficiency is such that you’re not running to the dictionary/thesaurus in order to express yourself (or understand my statements), you will always have some difficulty in communicating regardless of which side of the Atlantic you are on.
Face-to-Face meeting…Name the time & place…with the caveat that I travel a lot & it would be better if you chose more than one date…& with enough time for me & my staff to plan.
The “general interest” that you spoke of that Germans have I would more liken to being rudely nosey. Interesse ist was anderes. Deutsche leute sind extrem neugierig. Punkt. The fact that you don’t acknowledge this brings your objectivity into question. You have either not been here very long, have no (or limited) personal contact to native Germans, or are completely in denial. Germans stare, they ask questions that would be seen as rude in nearly any western society & love to meddle in the affairs of others. Spend 1 hour standing around inconspicuously at your neighborhood “wochen Markt” & the old people there will inform you about every sordid detail of your neighbors lives (& how they would do it differently). Their “interest” in other cultures & societies does not have the same foundation as the genuine human fascination that other western countries show their visitors.
Germans are NOT true socialists. They just like covering their own ass. A German’s wet dream is a situation where everything is protected from loss (versichert). Driven by a fear of change & lack they (try to) insure EVERYTHING! Admittedly their national work & health insurance systems are the envy of world (for now). However, abuse of these systems by the people who use them is rampant. Young people see Harz IV & Arbeitslosengeld as entitlements to be used as paid vacation between career choices. There are people who “need” it…but they make up a small percentage of the actual cases. The only reason these programs still exist is because of the fear instilled in the electorate that they MIGHT need these services one day. Old people suck the healthcare system dry by going to the doctor every 20 minutes (until they implemented praxis gebühren) because they feel that they’re earned it. Both systems will collapse under their own weight (& the lack of tax money to support them) in the next 5-10 years (Der Landeskirche auch)…if not sooner in the event of a catastrophic health event.
I understand German society…that doesn’t make some of their characteristics valid. The wall between East & West Germany was initially psychological (Propaganda kreig zwischen Wochenshau Ost & West) then physical (die Mauer). East Germans wanted to believe that they had living conditions equal or better to those in the West…They were wrong…but they were also lied to by the leaders of their society. It soon became impossible to keep the “truth” from the citizens of the DDR. They knew to a certain extent (when they had contact to the West) that they were lied to…how much was unimaginable until the wall came down. Germany currently lives with an emotional “Mauer” (wall) to the Western world. They want to believe that they are at par with the English-speaking world they admire. They are not. They are about 10-20 years behind. I’m speaking of the day-to-day lives of the average German. Compare 2 demographically equal (gender, race, age, etc.), equally educated, equally employed people living in Gemany & any English speaking (1st World) country. ANYONE WHO IS NOT FLUENT IN BOTH ENGLISH & GERMAN, HAS NOT SPENT AT LEAST 2 YEARS IN AN ENGLISH-SPEAKING COUNTRY AND GERMANY IN THE LAST 5 YEARS IS IN NO POSITION TO MAKE STATEMENTS CHALLENGING MY ASSERTION!
Isn’t it racist to assume that “brown people” (Black American, Turkish, African) with money didn’t earn it legally. Even if you CLAIM now that you don’t think so, most people do. The VW guy in my example doesn’t care that I do a job that’s “worth more” than what he gets paid. If he did, then he would acknowledge what I have invested in my career. He might think that Lawyers, Basketball players, & CEOs (managers) are over-paid. The fact of the matter is that he can’t do what they do as well as they do it, he didn’t invest the same time & energy & accordingly isn’t “worth” as much for his work. It’s actually 100% fair. When I fly, I get on the plane first…because I’m one of the airline’s best customers. Is that fair? Of course it is. It’s a privilege that is open to everyone willing to do what it takes. Fly 75,000 miles in a year & you can do it too. But wait, you have no reason to fly that often. Furthermore you have better things to do with your money that to fly a lot. The average guy who flies to Mallorca once a year isn’t loyal to one airline…he flies with the cheapest…it’s what’s most important to him. Instead of carrying around my receipts showing how loyal I’ve been with 1 airline, I carry my platinum card. I went to school, VW guy went to parties. I trained & perfected my abilities. VW guy went to an internship for a job he KNEW did not pay as much as mine. Fair?...100%.
A school who decides in the 4th grade what my future “caste” will be is not free-thinking & therefore cannot teach what they are not (Just like a country that has always been a monarchy cannot teach another country to be a democracy). A school is unlikely to challenge the “matrix” constructed by the establishment that gives them their funding. Spend some time at a privately funded German school & you will see a drastic difference in curriculum & thinking.
The Ladenschlußgesetzt (the federal laws that let stores be open for business only when the government allows it) was antiquated when it was created. Unless you are married & so well paid that your spouse can stay home & raise the children (or collect welfare), laws where all stores close at the same time is impractical (if you get off work at 5 & the stores all close at 6:30, should all single working people be expected to go shopping in this 1 ½ hour period?) Germany wasn’t that kind of society anymore after the war. The law was a poor attempt to level the playing field between large & small businesses in an attempt to discourage competition. Most affected workers are paid hourly. The more they work, the more they get paid…they don’t suffer due to longer business hours. A business owner (with a sensible business model) who is open longer can make more revenue…he doesn’t suffer due to longer business hours. Consumers want to spend their money…the longer stores are open the more money they can spend….they don’t suffer due to longer business hours. Consumers can only buy goods & services when the businesses are open. Here is where the Achilles heel is. If Aldi is closed & Real is still open, Real gets my money. In the beginning everybody played by the same rules & nothing changed…like a cartel. The internet changed all that. The internet never closes, doesn’t belong to a union, & doesn’t discriminate. The dramatic rise in internet shop |
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USA GREATER THAN REST OF WORLD
Although MIND CONTROL- IS destroying world in furture. ANTI-CHRIST is destroying EARTHnancylee33813@yahoo.com
25 Jul 2009, 04:05 - Report
OMFG
tha racist from all over the planet in this forum fightin each other... LOLyoure all the same trash bitches
25 Jul 2009, 07:59 - Report
Who likes Germans?
I've been to Germany over 30 times and with a couple of exceptions I've had nothing but great experiences with Germans. Sure there has been a few of the "why are you here auslander" comments but they came from generally drunken bitter losers of which every country has it's share. I live in Toronto which is pretty smug about it's multiculturalism but scratch beneath the surface and it's not much different than what Germans are being villified for in this thread. I came to this website to get some tips on living in Germany. I plan to spend a year at least exploring the country. I'm not going to be taking anyone's job or using any benefits as I've made enough money to basically pack in the working grind. I find the country absolutely fascinating and I no longer take offense at German directness, staring and bad customer service.:> Just to chip in on the comments on Americans. Perhaps the majority of them are not the most educated on countries other than their own but you won't meet much friendlier,generous people as individuals anywhere. The average American can't be blamed for their governments actions.yyzer
26 Jul 2009, 10:44 - Report
I hate germany
i come from germany and i .....
how write this?
these people are bad yes bad
what they say abut germany
ich kann euchh nur sagen diese leute die das schreiben sind doof wirklich nur blödanonym
27 Jul 2009, 10:16 - Report
Deutschland is gut, Spanien nein
Hallo, Ich bin spaniard. Ich lebe in Madrid.
Ich kenne wenig uber deutschland und deutsche leute, aber ich mochte uber meine land zu reden.
Ich glaube deutsche leute ist junge und demokratische. Hier, in Spanien, ich habe viele problemme weil viele leute hier mag fascismus. Sie sind nicht democratisches.
Ich hatte viele problemme weil viele leute hier sind die sammeln dass bei Franco. Also, in Deutschland die nazis ging nach Gefängnis. Aber hier in Spanien die faschiste blieb in der Befungnis. Also seinen sohne sind in der Befungnis nun.
Sie benutzen die Einwanderung als eine weise der wenig geld zu erzahlen. Viele Spaniards ging nach Deutschland zu arbeiten aber sie hatte gut geld fur dass. Ausländer bei Arbeit hier haben die schlechter besoludng.
Also ist Spanien nun unter was wir kann sehen: die weniger democratische staat in der Weltfederiko
28 Jul 2009, 07:51 - Report
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Selten soviel geistigen Müll gelesen,
ich bin jetzt 33 Jahre alt und habe hier in Deutschland noch nie soviel Hass erlebt,wie in diesem Thread,mit nur 22 Seiten.......Amicus
29 Jul 2009, 02:06 - Report
@Jack
GDR flyindutch
30 Jul 2009, 11:57 - Report
UM HUMM ...IT SUCKS!
OHHH YEAH GERMANY SUCKS, IT'S BORRING , GREY , NO SMILES , DIRTY ,SMELLY ,HORRRRRRRRRIBLE ,THATS THE WORD =) ANYWAYS, MY LIFE SUCKS HERE ...Sarah
31 Jul 2009, 09:33 - Report
germany does too suck
I am an American who has lived in Germany for over 20 years. The only reason I stay is because of my 2 kids who were born here and unfortunately feel too much at home here to leave. My biggest complaints aren't about nazis or any of that stuff, but every day things like rudeness and always having to be right about everything. I get the feeling here that people hate each other. I have never experienced so much unfriendliness in my life. Yeah sure if you are friends with someone (which really takes a loooong time to become) you are treated really great. But people on the street and in shops are so unfriendly to each other. Just try striking up a conversation with the lady at the check out counter. You get a look like what the hell do you want you idiot. Or simply smiling at someone you don't know. I hate it here.paula
02 Aug 2009, 08:39 - Report
Federico
Sera para ti. Pero ya sabes, es bastante facil cambiar de nacionalidad siendo schengen. Pero creo que tu no lo eres, de ahi tanta mala sangre hacia españa. Lo tiene a huevo, siendo shengen solo tienes que vivir aqui y consigues la nacionalidad. Sera mejor para ti y seguro es mejor para nosotros.TPM
03 Aug 2009, 01:06 - Report
A TPM, uber Lateinamerikaner mit arbeite in Spanien
Ich antworte TPM. Sie arbeiten in Spanien, Ich glaube. Also Sie sagt dass ist besser fur mich leben in Deutschland, und das ist besser fur Sie auch. Ich glaube Sie kommt von Amerika an. Ich habe eine Frage fur Sie: Wie viele gute haben spaniards in Amerika gemacht? Haben Sie dich Dummkopf gemacht? Da ist das Moglichkeit dass eine der Spaniards in Amerika bei Cristobal Colón hat verlezt eine der seinen Ahnen, oder hat eine der seinen Ahnen geschossen... Ich glaube Sie ist allein eine Dumkopf mit eine bösse Arbeit und viele Ambition. Sie glauben dass Sie ist besser als seinen anderen Landsleuten da, aber wenn Sie biegen ab Sie wird uberwachen dass Sie ist betrogen: seinen Landsleuten sind froh und Sie ist bösse und traurig und beide sind Armen...federiko
03 Aug 2009, 08:53 - Report
What it means to SUCK
I've read this stuf with interest because I have been having one of my "I hate this place" weeks. Now, it's only Tuesday so that doesn't mean a whole lot. The place, physically, is like any other place. No doubt. Some lovely scenery, some not so lovely scenery. Some adorable people, some wastes of skin. So far, then, not too different from any other place in the world.
I must say, though, that having lived most of my life in the Southern U.S., I find that the expression of politeness is abysmal. For example, the horrific habit of shouting "Achtung!" at the back of my head on crowded public transport by people of all ages and ethnicities. "Entschuldigung" (sp) would be much more appropriate in any culture but here. That would be "excuse me" not "attention". That seems so clearly a non-difficult adjustment.
I have had the opportunity to travel around Germany a bit and that is a universal habit. It places the speaker somewhere lower on the evolutionary scale of etiquette than he people around whom I was raised.
I am, admittedly, hopelessly middle-class in any country. What I can afford at the same earning in the U.S. and what I can afford in the way of creature comforts here is vastly different. As for the odors emanating from our teutonic hosts, the installation of air conditioning would solve most of that problem.
Finally, on matter of human rights in general, as a homosexual I can tell you that the honest expression of disdain for me in the U.S. is much more welcomed than the false assurance of equality given here. EU regulations notwithstanding, most laws are in name only and have absolutely no teeth. In evidence, I offer you your own power to google hate crimes statistics in the U.S. vs. the E.U. More gay people suffer violence at the hands of attackers here than at home.
Finally, I offer you this: I pay my German taxes and operate within the parameters of this country as any German would. I laughed when I got here because everyone frowned so much (accounting for the jowliness of relatively young women and men here). I am acquiring the same issue. I will return to where people smile at strangers, men open doors for ladies, and frindly greetings on the street between neighbors are the norm. I have friends here who have worked together for 20 years and still don't know each others' wives first names. It is an embarassment.Southern Belle |
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Creo que eso es suficiente.
Pero es bueno que este tema se conserve para la posteridad, ya que da muy buenos "tips" sobre como no hacerse ilusiones a la hora de tratar con alemanes.
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Si definitivamente, eso es todo. |
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