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Doc McKelvie Chairman JCS [Gen. member] User is Offline Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 100586 Karma: 6 applaud / smite Location: Glasgow, Scotland 25352 points 0 warnings 0 tempbans	Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:46 am    Post subject: Question for Johnny Reb (picture) · Quote Originally posted by The Indian in the old forum. JR, Hey, I need some help.  A number of years ago I purchased a bag of WW2 medals.  I bought all this stuff at a flea market in a box.. I have already found `homes' for all of the items .. well, for all but one... I need you to look at this badge and tell me if you can if it is an `up to date' (as in used today) badge.  I thought I was buying an old one but a fella told me this was the real deal and I couldn't sell it on ebay.. Being an old Air Force Cop, I figured you would be the best to know... so look this over and tell me what you think or who I should talk to... http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g217/bites4570/z-Air%20Force%20pics%20for%20web/medals-04-airpolic e.jpg thanks.. indian _________________ Commandant [Gen. Members] Moderator Staff member Company Liaison M.S.T. Alpha CO. ------------------------------------------------------ May your seas be calm, your skies be clear and the winds be ever at your back.
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Doc McKelvie Chairman JCS [Gen. member] User is Offline Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 100586 Karma: 6 applaud / smite Location: Glasgow, Scotland 25352 points 0 warnings 0 tempbans	Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:48 am    Post subject: Military Police Badge/Medal? · Quote :) Hi Indian, I did a little looking myself and came up with the following: This is what the current Air Force Security Police (Security Froces) badge looks like: http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/afbadges/security.jpg .  I couldn't find online, anyway, the medal you show in your post. But judging from what is written on the badge, I have to conclude that the medal/badge has to be post-WWII, as the Department of the Air Force wasn't officially commissioned until 1947.  Hope that is of help to you. Doc :) _________________ Commandant [Gen. Members] Moderator Staff member Company Liaison M.S.T. Alpha CO. ------------------------------------------------------ May your seas be calm, your skies be clear and the winds be ever at your back.
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Doc McKelvie Chairman JCS [Gen. member] User is Offline Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 100586 Karma: 6 applaud / smite Location: Glasgow, Scotland 25352 points 0 warnings 0 tempbans	Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:50 am    Post subject: Military Police Badge/Medal? · Quote Originally posted by The Indian in the old forum. Thanks for the information but the badge you have sent looks like a drawing and not the actual badge.. I know this type of badge was worn 7 or 8 years ago when I was doing some training for the Air Force..  I had one class of nothing but Air Cops...  I sure believe this was the same badge they were wearing (like the one I have)...  They phase these out every so often for new designs and I am hoping this one is phased out too... or I'm not supposed to have it   again thanks for the information indian _________________ Commandant [Gen. Members] Moderator Staff member Company Liaison M.S.T. Alpha CO. ------------------------------------------------------ May your seas be calm, your skies be clear and the winds be ever at your back.
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Doc McKelvie Chairman JCS [Gen. member] User is Offline Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 100586 Karma: 6 applaud / smite Location: Glasgow, Scotland 25352 points 0 warnings 0 tempbans	Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:52 am    Post subject: Military Police Badge/Medal? · Quote You're welcome my friend. I'm just sorry I couldn't be of more help. Barbara was at a loss as well and she's ex-Air Force. Doc _________________ Commandant [Gen. Members] Moderator Staff member Company Liaison M.S.T. Alpha CO. ------------------------------------------------------ May your seas be calm, your skies be clear and the winds be ever at your back.
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Doc McKelvie Chairman JCS [Gen. member] User is Offline Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 100586 Karma: 6 applaud / smite Location: Glasgow, Scotland 25352 points 0 warnings 0 tempbans	Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:53 am    Post subject: Military Police Badge/Medal? · Quote Originally posted by The Indian in the old forum.' I think I have answered my own question ...  It Is a real - today badge http://www.answers.com/topic/air-force-security-police-badge Now, what do I do with it??? indian MORE UPDATE...  see the Air Force Badges (lots) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badges_of_the_United_States_Air_Force _________________ Commandant [Gen. Members] Moderator Staff member Company Liaison M.S.T. Alpha CO. ------------------------------------------------------ May your seas be calm, your skies be clear and the winds be ever at your back.
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Doc McKelvie Chairman JCS [Gen. member] User is Offline Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 100586 Karma: 6 applaud / smite Location: Glasgow, Scotland 25352 points 0 warnings 0 tempbans	Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:56 am    Post subject: Military Police Badge/Medal? · Quote Originally posted by JohnnyReb  in the old forum. Hey "Indian", yes Sir they are both genuine, the one on the left is the "function badge" master Air Base Ground Defence skill level badge, usually worn by senior NCOs. It is however the "old" version used prior to 1996. The new ones are slightly different and of polished metal. The Police Shield is also of the "old" variety pre 1996, the current ones are identical save for the fact that they too are of "polished" metal. Hope this helps Buddy... _________________ Commandant [Gen. Members] Moderator Staff member Company Liaison M.S.T. Alpha CO. ------------------------------------------------------ May your seas be calm, your skies be clear and the winds be ever at your back.
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Doc McKelvie Chairman JCS [Gen. member] User is Offline Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 100586 Karma: 6 applaud / smite Location: Glasgow, Scotland 25352 points 0 warnings 0 tempbans	Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:58 am    Post subject: Military Police Badge/Medal? · Quote Originally posted by The Indian in the old forum. Okay... more questions: 1) mine is made with a material like silver .. it is tarnished but with a small amount of rubbing, it becomes shiny again..  Are you saying the new ones (used today) are always shiny and requires no polishing.. 2) Were these two `badges' worn at the same time??  If yes, I know where the bigger of the two was worn (chest) but where would the other be worn?? above the bigger one??  on hat??  Jackett?? 3) Are these illegle to own?? 4) who would I contact at the local AF base to ask.. if you or friends don't know.. _________________ Commandant [Gen. Members] Moderator Staff member Company Liaison M.S.T. Alpha CO. ------------------------------------------------------ May your seas be calm, your skies be clear and the winds be ever at your back.
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Doc McKelvie Chairman JCS [Gen. member] User is Offline Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 100586 Karma: 6 applaud / smite Location: Glasgow, Scotland 25352 points 0 warnings 0 tempbans	Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject: Military Police Badge/Medal? · Quote Originally posted by JohnnyReb in the old forum. 1) It depends on its age if it is from the early 60s of before it could be solid"sterling", in which case it should have a silver content mark on the reverse side. And also it may say "Air Police" instead of "Security Police". It also may have "US GOVERNMENT PROPERTY" stamped on the pin on the back as well. 2) The large Police Shield is worn on the top pocket it's self on the left breast below the ribbons, of the shirt or class A jacket, and in past years on the issued wind breaker. The function badge is worn in the fashion of Jump wings abnove the ribbons on the left breast. (see my picture on the picture pages. that is the proper wear). 3) Yes and no, they are & were a "controlled item", just like a weapon. However the fact you have one does not mean that you are in serious violation of the law. If it stays in your collection, i.e. a shadow box etc., it is fine. 4) If you feel that you need to contact the Base ask for the Law Enforcement Desk and explain the situation. They may or may not ask you to turn it in. If you turn it in they will not re-emberse you the cost you paid for it. I'd keep it if I were you, just secure it as I mentioned above. Note: Some folks worry that a less than honorable person could use the shield to access the base or the flight line or even classified documents, etc., this can not happen. You also need a valid Military ID and a restricted area / line badge and in some cases more than that. So if some unauthorized person were to try to use the shield for these purposes they would wind up shot or in jail for a very long time. I hope this helps you Bud... _________________ Commandant [Gen. Members] Moderator Staff member Company Liaison M.S.T. Alpha CO. ------------------------------------------------------ May your seas be calm, your skies be clear and the winds be ever at your back.
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Doc McKelvie Chairman JCS [Gen. member] User is Offline Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 100586 Karma: 6 applaud / smite Location: Glasgow, Scotland 25352 points 0 warnings 0 tempbans	Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:02 am    Post subject: Military Police Badge/Medal? · Quote Originally posted by The Indian in the old post. Thanks for the information  JR.. I have collected `old badges' for years but could never really figure out if this was a `okay' item or not.  I did not plan on keeping this one though...  I was going to put it on ebay ..  guess it'll stay with it's brothers now..   :) _________________ Commandant [Gen. Members] Moderator Staff member Company Liaison M.S.T. Alpha CO. ------------------------------------------------------ May your seas be calm, your skies be clear and the winds be ever at your back.
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Doc McKelvie Chairman JCS [Gen. member] User is Offline Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 100586 Karma: 6 applaud / smite Location: Glasgow, Scotland 25352 points 0 warnings 0 tempbans	Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:04 am    Post subject: Military Police Badge/Medal? · Quote Originally posted by Smitty in the old forum. Just a little extra current information about our shields. About 3 years ago, Air Force Security Forces Center went back to a dedicated system of control for the SF shields. All SF shields are now numbered again, including those personnel that may have graduated and been issued badges without numbers originally. When this went into effect, all of the SF supply sections had to take inventory of all shields, record shield numbers and send them to AFSFC to be placed in the database, and request numbered shields for those that didn't have them. As of current, all SF shields are accounted for and are required to be turned in upon separation. When an SF retires, AFSFC retires that number, and the retired member may keep their shield. As I have seen it, the SF supply sections maintain some non-numbered shields that are given to those separating who may want one for a shadow box. Based on the current system, you being in posession one of the old style badges would most likely be considered an obsolete historical piece, and shouldn't be cause for any problems. _________________ Commandant [Gen. Members] Moderator Staff member Company Liaison M.S.T. Alpha CO. ------------------------------------------------------ May your seas be calm, your skies be clear and the winds be ever at your back.
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Doc McKelvie Chairman JCS [Gen. member] User is Offline Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 100586 Karma: 6 applaud / smite Location: Glasgow, Scotland 25352 points 0 warnings 0 tempbans	Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:06 am    Post subject: Military Police Badge/Medal? · Quote Originally posted by JohnnyReb in the old forum.\ Thanks for the help on that "Smitty", I'm glad to see the AF is going back to the Shield Accountability. The un-numbered thing was stupid. This might help the pride in self thing Cops seem to be lacking these days. On the other forum we belong to Smitty it bothers me the way some of the "Cops" talk about the job in public. BTW; I got to keep mine when I retired, it's one of my favorite posessions. _________________ Commandant [Gen. Members] Moderator Staff member Company Liaison M.S.T. Alpha CO. ------------------------------------------------------ May your seas be calm, your skies be clear and the winds be ever at your back.
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Doc McKelvie Chairman JCS [Gen. member] User is Offline Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 100586 Karma: 6 applaud / smite Location: Glasgow, Scotland 25352 points 0 warnings 0 tempbans	Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:08 am    Post subject: Military Police Badge/Medal? · Quote Originally posted by Smitty in the old forum. I know what you are saying, it really drives me nuts how some of those guys bash the career filed like that. I've always been an advocate of if you don't like your job, crosstrain, don't complain. As you know, I crosstrained into Security Forces, and I love it. The point is that it was my choice so if I didn't like it, it was my own fault, I have nothing to complain about. Now granted, we do have a lot of those that washed in to SF, but you just have to make the best of every situation. _________________ Commandant [Gen. Members] Moderator Staff member Company Liaison M.S.T. Alpha CO. ------------------------------------------------------ May your seas be calm, your skies be clear and the winds be ever at your back.
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Doc McKelvie Chairman JCS [Gen. member] User is Offline Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 100586 Karma: 6 applaud / smite Location: Glasgow, Scotland 25352 points 0 warnings 0 tempbans	Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:10 am    Post subject: Military Police Badge/Medal? · Quote Originally posted by JohnnyReb in the old forum. Yeah, I have always hated that policy of sticking the Cops with the wash outs and dreggs, they should stick them in CE or boot their butts out. It really screws us up to have those "I don't want to be here types" in our ranks. _________________ Commandant [Gen. Members] Moderator Staff member Company Liaison M.S.T. Alpha CO. ------------------------------------------------------ May your seas be calm, your skies be clear and the winds be ever at your back.
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Doc McKelvie Chairman JCS [Gen. member] User is Offline Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 100586 Karma: 6 applaud / smite Location: Glasgow, Scotland 25352 points 0 warnings 0 tempbans	Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:13 am    Post subject: Military Police Badge/Medal? · Quote Originally posted by The Indian in the old forum. But you know what... I remember when they lowered to `test standard' with the Austin Police Department so more `minorities could get on the force...  But even with that, the `dummies' were all white cops...  I graduated the academy there..  The smartest guy was a useless piece of garbage (got fired for stealing after 2 1/2 years) and yet the man who scored the lowest turned into one of the best street cops I have ever worked with. As you guys know, Knowing the law is necessary but it's application is where it is at....   and knowing how to deal with people.. indian _________________ Commandant [Gen. Members] Moderator Staff member Company Liaison M.S.T. Alpha CO. ------------------------------------------------------ May your seas be calm, your skies be clear and the winds be ever at your back.
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Doc McKelvie Chairman JCS [Gen. member] User is Offline Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 100586 Karma: 6 applaud / smite Location: Glasgow, Scotland 25352 points 0 warnings 0 tempbans	Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:15 am    Post subject: Military Police Badge/Medal? · Quote Originally posted by JohnnyReb in the old forum. Got that right "Indian", I've always hated the fact that most LE agencies "require", college now. I do not agree with that, maybe for those FBI bone heads but "Street Cops" need common sense, "book learnin" is good but it won't save your a** when the sh** hits the fan. _________________ Commandant [Gen. Members] Moderator Staff member Company Liaison M.S.T. Alpha CO. ------------------------------------------------------ May your seas be calm, your skies be clear and the winds be ever at your back.
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