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romanoutlaw
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject: Just curious... |
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How many of the people on this forum have actually had the guts to put on the stripes, learn the rules and how to apply them appropriately and physically officiated a football game at any level?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say ZERO.
As a 10 year official at the high school level, I can tell you from experience that you have no idea how officiating actually works. Flags could be thrown, literally, on every play. But who wants to go to a middle school football game that takes 4 hours because every foul is being called whether they are right, wrong or indifferent?
People whine because a foul is called against their team or NOT called agaist an opponent. Put aside all the bias and take a look. But until you have actually experienced what you are talking about, you have NO room to whine. |
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waltcolemansux
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Using your logic, I guess you've never criticized the President of the US cause you've never been President, right? |
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romanoutlaw
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Typical response from a professional complainer. You'd rather dance around the subject.
However, I will repond to your remark:
I believe the political system is so flawed that I no longer vote. It's a waste of my time. Maybe you should consider the same with the NFL. |
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turd ferguson
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| Romanoutlaw, I'll have you know I tried out to become a ref but didn't get the job. I passed the vision test!! |
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romanoutlaw
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Yet again, evading the question. Smart ass remarks show that you don't have the technical knowledge of how officiating works.
Perhaps before you opt to rag on officials in a public forum, you should attempt to gain some practical knowledge instead of being an armchair official. |
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turd ferguson
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the advice. I've considered it and decided to keep whining and complaining. Just like you're doing. |
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romanoutlaw
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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I will state this simple enough for you and your juvenile mind to understand...
Due to ignorance and/or lack of practical and technical knowledge, you are in not qualified to pass judgement. Know that your words carry no significance or weight.
Simple enough? |
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turd ferguson
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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I just realized that by trying to be funny I might have come across as a troll. For that I apologize.
But in all seriousness, I think we can agree we are all fans of the NFL. Our money keeps these people in business. It's never fun to be called out for your mistakes. But the fact is refs do blow calls and there needs to be some recourse, or at least a place to vent. I believe that's what this site is all about. And I'll be DAMNED if I let the incompetence of some officials keep me from watching the game I love.
That's all I got. I won't be checking back on this topic because I don't want a flame war. Thanks for a different viewpoint. |
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waltcolemansux
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Hey romanoutlaw, I still don't see your point. You state that unless someone has done the job, they have no right to criticize. I don't buy that. I find that to be a very closed minded opinion and a cop-out, a way to avoid answering to critics.
I believe most fans recognize that officials have a tough job. I also think many fans who criticize the officials think that the system and officiating could be better. That's the point of the site...to point out flaws in the hopes that the system improves.
None the less, you're welcome to your opinion...I don't agree with it, but your posts are always welcome. |
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nomoreamateurs
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romanoutlaw,
Like the other responders, I haven't officiated a football game, but I regularly see referees make calls that are just illogical--calls that couldn't be correct no matter what happened on the field. How does this happen with seven officials on the field, all of whom have presumably passed strenuous tests of rules knowledge? |
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Josh24_15
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| To answer you question I have never officated a game. But your question is besides the point. Whinning about hold calls or other things that can be called every play is stupid but let's face it, there are plenty of blown calls that aren't small and petty. To list a few: NCAA Oregon-Ariz. game facemask-only ppl that didn't see it are the Officials, Steelers a long while ago on thanksgiving day overtime-Betis calls heads-coin lands heads-ref gives detroit choice, If I wanted I could go on for a while but I won't because I asume you get the point. I understand a refs job is hard, but to miss those type of things is beyond obsurd. There needs to be a system in place that punishes and eventually fires refs that can't do their job. Lets face it, if anyone else goes to work and performs that poorly at the very least they'll be written up if not fired. |
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romanoutlaw
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Here's a little information for you to read. Spells out how NFL officials operate, the scrutiny they are under and how WELL they do. Read the article, go officiate a couple games, then tell me how easy the job is and how someone should get mauled for making a mistake.
Additionally, each of the instances you stated are ONE play in over 100 per game. 1-3% error rate...I'd say not too bad, but of course I'm just a blind referee not an omnipitant spectator.
http://www.efoaonline.org/docs/Always%20under%20review.doc |
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waltcolemansux
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| thanks for the link...I enjoyed reading the article. |
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Josh24_15
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| Ok, first of all good article. Second of all stop taking this as a personal attack and getting all defensive. It seems as if you are and this isn't an attach on you, it's people annoyed with bad officiating. I am NOT a ref nor do I plan on becoming one so therefore I will not endup officiating a game, but that doesn't mean I can't see when the refs screw up, DEAL WITH IT. I never said a refs job is easy and I DID ADMIT in my last post it is HARD but that is still NO EXCUSE for the BIG calls they blow. I only name a couple plays because I didnt' feel like going on and on listing mistakes but every week I watch football I see a ref blow at least one BIG call if not more. I am not whinning over a missed hold or other petty crap like that. It's the BIG calls right in front of the refs faces that they blow that piss me off. It's the JOB of a ref to MAKE THE RIGHT CALL but so many times they fail. My point is, at any other job in the country, if you make the mistakes like the refs do on a weekly basis you would, at the least, be written up. Again, I am not saying fire or write up refs for missed hold calls or other petty things like that, but they need to have something done when they do make those BIGGER mistakes and there is no reason to keep their "punishment" private. What is so bad with the NFL making refs "punishments" availble to the fans that support the NFL? It shows us they are at the very least trying to keep the game fair and fun to watch. They tell the public what they do to players and coaches y not refs? Your response, in general, to everyone has been, "it's a hard job-you try and see how good you do". Yes it is hard but if it is that hard for someone to do and they can't get it right-DON'T DO IT. And once again I am talking about BIG blown calls not holding calls which can be called every play or other petty crap like that. |
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romanoutlaw
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I'm affraid that I do take this a little personal. Fight one bean, fight the whole burrito. Officiating is a difficult, subjective and thankless position...from Pop Warner to NFL. If an official make a call, it was a bad one; if an official judges something a no-call, he's a blind idiot. We are in a no-win situation, and I DO 'deal with it'...3-1/2 months a year, doing about 50-60 games per year. Mistakes will be made, and yes, those that consistantly make mistakes need to move down a level or move on. On THAT point, I think we agree. Hell, I work with HS Varsity officials that have no business being out there.
I'm sure the NFL and the NCAA have safeguards in place along with their evaluations. If you remember correctly, last year (or year before) after the Oklahoma/Oregon on-side kick nightmare, the NCAA DID announce penalties that were handed down, including the (forced) retirement of the replay official.
I'll throw this out to you...you are 'Bob' and you work at XYZ Mini-mart. At the end of your shift, your cash register is $20.00 short, should your boss put up a big sign for all the customers to see that says 'Bob's cash count came up $20.00 short, therefore we are suspending him for a day'. No! Compliment in public; criticize in private...an old management addage. Does that mean Bob shouldn't be held accountable? Of course not. But it doesn't need to be publicized. |
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