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by **Bralee** on Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:35 am

South Africa:
1. Rugby World Cup Champions
2. No 1 Ranked Rugby team in the world
3. Super 14 Champions
4. World Sevens Champions
5. No 1 Ranked Test Cricket team in the world
6. No 1 Ranked ODI team in the world
7. 2009 Lions Series winners
8. 2009 Tri Nations Champions??

Man it is good to be South African!!

by **Blue vinnie** on Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:44 pm

Is there anything that is important that SA are any good at ??? apart from the entertainment business ??

You missed these few

South Africa is the most dangerous country in the world, which is not at war

Approximately 57% of individuals in South Africa are living below the poverty income line

upto 33 % of women attending aninatal clinics are infected with HIV

Enjoy your sport, it an escape from the real misery in your country

by **smartcooky** on Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:21 pm

Blue vinnie wrote:Is there anything that is important that SA are any good at ??? apart from the entertainment business ??

You missed these few

South Africa is the most dangerous country in the world, which is not at war

Approximately 57% of individuals in South Africa are living below the poverty income line

upto 33 % of women attending aninatal clinics are infected with HIV

Enjoy your sport, it an escape from the real misery in your country

That rather puts the kibosh on the next line doesn't it... the one about being "perfect in every way!!" : 2funny

by **nimrod** on Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:24 pm

My son even got his debit card skimmed in Jo'burg during the Lions Test series.

by **Blue vinnie** on Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:16 am

FOR EACH POINT SOUTH AFRICA SCORED IN PERTH 2 SOUTH AFRICANS DIED OF AIDS BACH HOME

"Oh Lord it’s hard to be humble!"quote Bralee

by **Bcubed** on Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:57 pm

Seriously Folks,

if I didnt know you were all joking...........you are joking right??????...................I would find this bitter attempt at putting SA down a bit pathetic.

(oh and I am joking too chaps....)

Bralee, enjoy your time in the sun...........your sporting teams have done well, : clap :

and Yes it must feel nice to be supporting them.

Thing is the wheel always turns.......... : hmmm :

by **Blue vinnie** on Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:49 pm

Bcubed wrote:Seriously Folks,

...........you are joking right??????...................Thing is the wheel always turns..........

No Not Joking - SA problems off the pitch are not something to joke about

Unfortunatly Bralee does not know what humble means - for his information I give you the Collins Concise Dictionary definition of humble

1conciouse of ones failings 2 unpretensious, lowley. 3 deferentual or servile.

The facts are correct about SA and yes 60 people died in SA of aids between kick off and final whistle - 1000 in the day 360,000 in the year

Sport including rugby is not that important. It is only entertainment. it makes little difference to the lives of the vast majority

by **Bralee** on Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:06 am

As a start;
Blue Vinnie – if you want to detail the meaning of a word, please get the spelling right (4 errors). Should the spelling not be;
1 conscious of one’s failings
2 unpretentious, lowly
3 deferential or servile

If you note, I have only listed sporting reasons why it’s great to be a South African. Yes the crime is high and yes a lot of people die as result of Aids related illnesses, BUT, I would not exchange SA for any place in the world. Any person who knows anything of SA (which you obviously know nothing about) knows that 95% of the murders and rapes occur in the townships. As a white person which comfortable income, I have quality of life that is unmatched in the world. I have a beautiful garden which I don’t have to maintain AND My house is always spotlessly clean which neither me or my wife cleans, oh and we have two beautiful sons who can play outside as the weather permits them to! From what I can remember, London has its problems as well with the “gangster killings” where innocent youth are the victims. NZ has a problem with disrespectful youth as it is ‘wrong’ to punish them (I think that’s all excitement that happens in NZ).

Lastly, I do know what the meaning of the word humble is. Do you know the meaning of the word humour? I certainly think my heading depicts the tone of my post.

by **Blue vinnie** on Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:07 am

Bralee - thank you for pointing out that I like 10% of the population suffer from dyslexia.

Yes 75% of crime in the uk is carried out by 10% of the population - Immagrants and much of this is youth on youth.

As I know you SA have such a great Sense of humor I thought you might like this from the 80S :mrgreen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSLMKUXZ ... PL&index=8

by **Bralee** on Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:28 am

Blue Vinnie - thank you for the humorous video. I still have to meet one myself!

by **NZAtlas** on Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:43 am

Thats quite funny BV,

Bralee honestly what did you expect? You rub peoples noses in it then wonder why they give you shit.

:lol:

by **Bralee** on Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:49 am

NZAtlas wrote:Thats quite funny BV,

Bralee honestly what did you expect? You rub peoples noses in it then wonder why they give you shit.

I take it on the chin - it's worth it! : chair

. It is nice to gloat every now and then!

by **kiwilinzi** on Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:21 am

Bralee

This just about sums you guys up ..

We are so good it's frightening .... P d V ...

Arrogance personified ..

by **smartcooky** on Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:40 am

Bralee

Proverbs 16:18

Think about it!

by **exeter** on Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:37 am

And only a couple of years ago, some people were whining that quotas would ruin South African sport.

by **smartcooky** on Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:19 pm

exeter wrote:And only a couple of years ago, some people were whining that quotas would ruin South African sport.

I think you'll find that "quotas" slid sharply down the priority list after 20th October 2007. : bigrin :

The original plan called for a minimum of 14 players of colour in every Springbok squad of 22 with a minimum of 10 in the starting XV.

So, for example, for Saturday's announced team;

15 Ruan Pienaar
14 Odwa Ndungane
13 Jaque Fourie
12 Jean de Villiers
11 Bryan Habana
10 Morne Steyn
9 Fourie du Preez
8 Pierre Spies
7 Juan Smith
6 Heinrich Brussow
5 Victor Matfield
4 Bakkies Botha
3 John Smit (C)
2 Bismarck du Plessis
1 Tendai Mtawarira.

The players in red are the only ones who would meet the "transformation" criteria, and another seven of the remaining twelve players would have to be exchanged for coloured players.

How good would South Africa be then? Probably crap!

by **ncadario** on Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:34 pm

Bralee wrote:South Africa:
1. Rugby World Cup Champions
2. No 1 Ranked Rugby team in the world
3. Super 14 Champions
4. World Sevens Champions
5. No 1 Ranked Test Cricket team in the world
6. No 1 Ranked ODI team in the world
7. 2009 Lions Series winners
8. 2009 Tri Nations Champions??

Man it is good to be South African!!

Bralee: Is good that you love your country. Also, is a great country. But (generally are a "but"), the people and your Government are engaged seriously in a magnificent organization of the FIFA WORLD CUP for 2010. The Soccer is increasing the interest of the Southafricans, and is growing very fast as a popular sport. In a few time, you will watching spectacles as the photo in much of your magnificent Stadia. If you want view more photos (with care, it may be dangerous for your menthal and cardiac health) you can see it searching by google "barras bravas" (brave supporters, Argentine hooligans, or similary words).

by **Bcubed** on Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:06 pm

Oh Lord its getting easier all the time.......

by **kiwilinzi** on Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:24 am

Exeter ..

Quota's no doubt will have a huge impact on S A Rugby . That's if and when the real Quota's as the Pollies want are applied .. Jake White applied far more that de Villiers is currently applying ..

There are far less Black and Coloured players in the Current Bok side now under PdV than pretty much since the Transformation edicts were proposed ..

As Cookie points out .. Currently 3 .. PdV is actually in big trouble . The Pollies are calling him a Real Traitor ,, Championing for his head .. Want him dumped as Coach , even though the Bok's are on somewhat of a roll doing things the PdV way .. Humble is not in his vocabulary as we see by his comments .. He will have to live with the ridicule from those comments when as always happens in Rugby .. The Worm Turns and one has to eat the pie once Humble ..

Just as he will no doubt come to grips with that prospect , PdV has also snubbed attempts to have him play the Transformation game and the knives are sharpened to chop him down to size by the very same lot who bull dozed his appointment through .. PdV will carry on in his own way and I guess will come to terms with that as well ..

Love them or hate them . S A Rugby and PdV provide a rich vein of topical amusement for the Rugby Public to digest and mull over ..

Read on ..

De Villiers the 'ultimate traitor'
Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:19

Springbok coach Peter de Villiers, on the same day that his team suffered their first Tri-Nations defeat, had to read that the polititions are calling for his head.

However, it is nothing to do with his team's 6-21 loss to Australia in Brisbane.

It is all about the 'lack of transformation' in the Bok team.

Reports in the Independent Group newspapers on Saturday revealed that the very people who backed De Villiers' appointment less than a year-and-a-half ago are baying for his blood.

Asad Bhorat, secretary of the Transformation and Anti-Racism Rugby Committee (TARC), a national coalition of black rugby clubs, has called De Villiers the "ultimate traitor".

He says the coach will be summoned to appear before TARC and Parliament's standing committee on sports and recreation on his return from Australasia for failing to transform the team after famously proclaiming he would never pick fewer than 10 black players in his starting line-up.

Bhorat told the Saturday Star that De Villiers had let his "ego be inflated by his winning streak" and had silently become submissive" to SA Rugby by fielding an almost all-white team in the Tri-Nations.

De Villiers has fielded just three black players in his starting line-up and has only eight black players in his Tri-Nations squad.

"Sacrificing one's principles is tormenting enough but betraying the trust of a nation hoping for change is another thing altogether.

"It is now clear De Villiers has turned his back on this support, choosing instead to chase the mirage of white rugby support. This decision will, inevitably, prove to be fatally flawed."

SA Rugby hit back saying De Villiers not only had an outstanding record as a Springbok coach - better than his six predecessors - he also has a "far, far better" record on transformation, spokesman Andy Colquhoun said.

Bhorat said the current representation by black rugby players is unacceptable, insulting and painful.

"Gloves off. The TARC and the sports portfolio committee have not criticised [De Villiers] up to now because we were giving him time and space. But no more. He will not be protected anymore."

by **ncadario** on Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:28 pm

Really: The rejection of some people about De Villiers as coach...Is only by the defeat vs. Australia?...Ummm...

The Boks are te best team entire the world in these days. One match lose -also, not playing too bad- not is sufficient for ask for his head...Some smell bad in SA...

I'm be wrong, but.... :twisted:

by **Blue vinnie** on Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:59 pm

Oh Lord it’s hard to be humble!

Bralee

Now Just remind me what your team will be doing during the next round of the

ICC CHAMPIONS TROPHY 2009 :mrgreen:

Not too far to travel home though

by **Blue vinnie** on Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:07 pm

Bralee wrote:
South Africa:
1. Rugby World Cup Champions
2. No 1 Ranked Rugby team in the world
3. Super 14 Champions
4. World Sevens Champions
5. No 1 Ranked Test Cricket team in the world
6. No 3 Ranked ODI team in the world and falling :mrgreen:

7. 2009 Lions Series winners
8. 2009 Tri Nations Champions??

Man it no quite so good to be South African!!

by **smartcooky** on Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:51 am

Blue vinnie wrote:Oh Lord it’s hard to be humble!

Bralee

Now Just remind me what your team will be doing during the next round of the

ICC CHAMPIONS TROPHY 2009

Not too far to travel home though

No problem Vinnie.... South Africa "B" seem to be doing OK : 2funny

by **Bralee** on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:58 am

This was going to bite me in the arse but I suppose that SA is to cricket was NZ is to rugby - world class chokers!

Looking at my list - I must uncheck being the no 1 ODI team but at least I can erase to question marks to point number 8.

by **JovialJim** on Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:29 am

smartcooky wrote:
Blue vinnie wrote:Oh Lord it’s hard to be humble!

Bralee

Now Just remind me what your team will be doing during the next round of the

ICC CHAMPIONS TROPHY 2009

Not too far to travel home though

No problem Vinnie.... South Africa "B" seem to be doing OK

For a moment there Cooky i thought you were referring to England.... but seeing as Strauss (English mother-been in England since age 6) is the only one from yesterday with connections to SA, then its obviously not.

Do please enlighten us. : hmmm :

by **kiwilinzi** on Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:35 am

I do not think Choker is any description of why S A Lost this match Bralee ..

It is very difficult to use the term choker in this sort of context when both Cricket and Rugby are team sports .. One or perhaps Two at the outside might be labled as to have choked in the pressure cooker heat of battle , but certainly not all of the team ..

Choker is more appropriately applied to a singular sport or person .. A golfer for example .. Ian Baker -Finch is a classic case ..

You guys dip out because like N Z you play far too many silly shots and you fail on the tactics at critical times .. England won this one because they got you from the word go .. Took you on with the bat and that's pretty much it ..

Once Gibbs went you were on the ropes .. Smith made more than the rest of the side combined ..

Tough .. England spanked you ..

by **smartcooky** on Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:37 am

Actually, I was more referring to Bralee's joke on another thread.....

Bralee wrote:During an interview with the England Cricket team management when asked where the team will be staying when they come to South Africa for the ICC Cricket Champions Trophy – their answer was “the players will be staying with their parents”

by **JovialJim** on Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:14 am

smartcooky wrote:Actually, I was more referring to Bralee's joke on another thread.....

Bralee wrote:During an interview with the England Cricket team management when asked where the team will be staying when they come to South Africa for the ICC Cricket Champions Trophy – their answer was “the players will be staying with their parents”

Duh....i didnt get that when he first posted it....way over the topknot.... wot a numpty. :oops:

But that joke is old hat now as we play with PaddyPower nowadays. : bigrin :

by **smartcooky** on Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:58 am

kiwilinzi wrote:Choker is more appropriately applied to a singular sport or person .. A golfer for example .. Ian Baker -Finch is a classic case ..

I don't think Ian-Baker Finch was a choker. His problem was that he suffered from the "yips".

The clinical name of this affliction is dystonia, the onset of sudden tremors, jerking or freezing while attempting difficult or mentally demanding precision tasks. This also affects musicians, stenographers, dentists and others who frequently are forced to repeatedly assume a prolonged, abnormal posture.

However, Greg Norman is a different story. There was a joke going around a few years ago.....

Q: What do Greg Norman and a Holden Commodore have in common?

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A: They both have an automatic choke!!

by **nimrod** on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:13 pm

SC

I know someone who had dystonia. It is a vicious, nasty illness that is far removed from the yips. In the final stages it kills the person through sudden, and violent, tremors to the vital organs (usually lungs or heart) from which the patient does not recover. By that stage the body is usually twisted and racked in a into tortured parody of a human and normal human functions are not possible. It is very far removed from the "yips" and is usually treated (or more correctly slowed) by administering a small dose of poison (digitalis I think).

It is not nice. Luckily dystonia is very rare.

by **smartcooky** on Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:20 pm

nimrod wrote:SC

I know someone who had dystonia. It is a vicious, nasty illness that is far removed from the yips. In the final stages it kills the person through sudden, and violent, tremors to the vital organs (usually lungs or heart) from which the patient does not recover. By that stage the body is usually twisted and racked in a into tortured parody of a human and normal human functions are not possible. It is very far removed from the "yips" and is usually treated (or more correctly slowed) by administering a small dose of poison (digitalis I think).

It is not nice. Luckily dystonia is very rare.

I was referrring to this.... page 6

Sports_Psychiatrist_and_Golf.pdf

The phenomenon of the "yips" is often referred to as "a focal dystonia". Dystonia is characterized as a paroxysmal movement disorder in which an unwanted muscle contraction, or twitch, leads to an involuntary movement. In golf, it is seen most commonly in putting, but also is apparent in other shots. Symptoms of the yips, such as jerks during execution of shots, often result in miss-hits. This phenomenon has derailed the illustrious careers of Johnny Miller, Ian Baker-Finch, and Mark O’Meara, as well as being the bane of the average golfer

There a varying degrees of dystonia, and it is thought that the "yips" is a very mild form, brought on more by physical reasons rather than genetic.

by **ohtani's jacket** on Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:44 pm

I wonder if SA can lose all these things in record time.

by **kiwilinzi** on Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:00 am

The No 1 in Test Cricket rankings is next to go ..

by **hymns_n_arias** on Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:24 pm

Bralee wrote:South Africa:

4. World Sevens Champions

Hang on hang on hang on.

To be World Sevens Champions, does this not mean you should have won the World Cup? Because I believe that honour belongs to Wales!

by **smartcooky** on Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:28 am

hymns_n_arias wrote:
Bralee wrote:South Africa:

4. World Sevens Champions

Hang on hang on hang on.

To be World Sevens Champions, does this not mean you should have won the World Cup? Because I believe that honour belongs to Wales!

You are both right!

Wales won the Sevens World Cup

South Africa are the World Sevens Champions

Two different competitions.

by **Bcubed** on Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:18 pm

It might be a tad childish of me to post this but........

Is it getting any easier yet Bralee???????????

You know............ World Champs getting beaten by a Club teams and all that????????????????? :oops:

just asking is all. :lol:

by **Bralee** on Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:05 am

The team that played on the day is by no means anywhere close to the full strength Springbok team, in fact 10 players made their Springbok debut. PDV also experimented with some players of colour in as he would love to have 2011 RWC Springbok squad with numerous black players. Unfortunately his little experiment backfired and he disgraced Springbok rugby.

We will have a real challenge this weekend against France but at least we will our full strength team (bar one or two players off course!) I dont think we have beaten the French in France for about 12 years!

by **Bcubed** on Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:17 am

Ah Bralee.......was simply joking with you is all.

The thing is the higher you fly the further it is to fall.

Looking forward to seeing how the real Bok team fares against France this weekend.

Between that Argintina v England and the Aussie/Ireland game and it should be a cracking weekend for Rugby.

Add in some other games involving the AB's, Italy, Samoa, Wales, Scotland & Fiji and heres hoping its raining so i have no need to go out and mow the lawns.

Best of luck Bralee

by **Bralee** on Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:59 am

Bcubed – I know you were joking, although your post was intended to be humorous, it is accurate and still embarrassing!

by **JovialJim** on Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:07 am

Yes it must of been, seeing as it wasnt the Tigers 1st XV either. : fiddle :

by **Bralee** on Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:32 am

JovialJim wrote:Yes it must of been, seeing as it wasnt the Tigers 1st XV either.

I recon the result would have been similar if the Tigers played Englangs first XV!

by **ncadario** on Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:01 pm

Humility of South Africans is exciting. I hope you get the same attitude to the many Argentine players who will try to play in SA because in France are on the bench because the Frenchs haves a crowd of new players from the 3N.

The UK is the father of the Argentine Rugby, France its mother.

SA is, from 1964/65, a loving aunt who is able to do many good things for his nephew.

I hope so. :evil:

by **JovialJim** on Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:23 am

Bralee wrote:
JovialJim wrote:Yes it must of been, seeing as it wasnt the Tigers 1st XV either.

I recon the result would have been similar if the Tigers played Englangs first XV!

Urgh....what a prospect....Tigers A v Tigers B....Players and Coaches as well.

by **ohtani's jacket** on Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:42 am

2. No 1 Ranked Rugby team in the world.

Short lived.

by **Bcubed** on Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:32 am

The Springboks slumped to their third straight loss on their November tour of Europe on Tuesday, going down 24-23 to Saracens at Wembley.

Must resist........must resist...........

by **smartcooky** on Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:36 am

Bcubed wrote:
The Springboks slumped to their third straight loss on their November tour of Europe on Tuesday, going down 24-23 to Saracens at Wembley.

Must resist........must resist...........

I must pop over onto keo.co.za and see if all the Saffa's have imploded yet? : bigrin :

by **Bralee** on Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:08 am

Bcubed – Funny but 3 is quite a significant number.
SA has lost 3 consecutive games
SA has beaten the All Blacks 3-0 this year
SA won the 3N
SA won the 3 test series against the B&I Lions

I just want to put thing in perspective a bit. The midweek team is not relevant AND neither is the games they play, this was an experimental team with the aim of the 2011 RWC. The full strength side did lose against France but France is a great team and no team should feel ashamed to lose against them. Did France not beat the All Blacks AT HOME this year? (I won’t even go into RWC history, you Kiwis are far too sensitive!)

In my opinion, the Springboks are still the best team in World Rugby. They might move to No 2 after losing to France but the All Blacks still have to play them as well and SA might just jump to no 1 again. If the Boks lose against Italy this weekend I will concede that the Boks are not the best team currently but until then, my views remains unchanged.

by **Bcubed** on Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:46 pm

South Africa is certainly a good team.

And as you correctly pointed out they have beaten the AB's 3-0 this year and won the Tri nations & Lions tests (though they dropped one)

However I do not agree that these midweek games have no value or relevance.

The Irish still remind us of the game Munster won against the All Blacks.

What this proves to me at least is that the depth in SA rugby might not be quite what I would have expected and that the game up north is stronger than I might otherwise have thought.

Still a great team and good on you for supporting them through the good times and , well more dificult ones.

by **ohtani's jacket** on Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:17 am

Eh, the Boks are falling apart like usual. I've seen this episode before.

by **Bralee** on Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:37 am

The midweek games on this tour have no relevance to me as it is an experimental side. It is our very “colourful” side which is certainly not our “B” side. I can think of at least 6 positions where we have better players at home. South African rugby is very healthy and we have a lot of depth, this will be proven come the S14!

ohtani's jacket wrote:Eh, the Boks are falling apart like usual. I've seen this episode before.

One loss against France?? Lets see how they fare against Italy and Ireland before we make such comments..... : errr