Verdijer looks pretty strong. He could possibly toss a building around like the Hulk, seeing as how there are no limits to his strength except those in his mind.
Sure, there may not be an upper limit to how strong he could potentially become, be the upper limit to his strenght, speed, reflexes etc. at the moment cannot match the speed and destuctive power of Tibis, and neither was he ever ment to be.
You have to remember, for the majority of his several centuries long life, Sid has been training for one fight, the one with Rai and Jai on Tundar. He is the ultimate close range fighter, and the ultimate weapon against the combined efforts of Rai and Jai.
But as I've said, while Verdijer is the ultimate close range melee champion of the galaxy, Tibis is quite likely the ultimate long range fighter of the galaxy. You keep underestimating him, and I don't know why. Sure he's young and relatively inexperienced, but there has to be a pretty darn good reason for Lucifer to pick him out of all the other millions of Grundarians he has at his disposal. Tibis is the elite member of the Grundarian nation, and at his disposal is the power to destroy entire worlds in a matter of minutes. (And as for the blowing himself to smitherines in a sudden act of hubris theory, i direct you to this page, where Maur was able to blow a whole asteroid to bits and was still able to stay intact. He wouldn't be able to blow himself up even if he tried.)
I know Tibis is going down, one way or the other, but I don't see that happening in a one-on-one situation of any kind.
Atlas wrote:
He'd have to do you Tibby what Kipp and Martyn did to Maur. But I don't see that as being hard.
Hah, that's a laugh. Don't even try to compare Maur with Tibis. Maur was just some chump in a rubber helmet compared to Tibis. Remember what Lucifer said, not even the Templar would be able to stop Tibis. As we know, Angels are every bit as strong as Demons and quite possibly stronger, so I hardly think that anything on the level of a Demon would be effective against Tibis.
I think not. If Verdijer could really match Tibis's speed, he would have used it in the fight against Rai and Jai. And there's simply no way for him to have as quick reflexes as Tibis.
The average human's reaction time falls somewhere between 200 and 270 milliseconds (Tibis is hardly your average human, but for the sake of conversation let's say that he is), but with the Pants it effectively drops to 13 to 18 milliseconds!! That's less than one fiftieth of a second! It doesn't get any faster than that people.
Atlas wrote:
Are you so blind as to not see the awesome power that Verdijer contains!? Next to T'Yalla - that had to be taken down by a MASSIVE army and space fleet - Verdijer is a warrior to behold. Tibis is just not on the same level!
I agree, Tibis is not on the same level. Not by himself that is, but with the help of the Sacred Objects he can contend with even the mightiest of warriors, even Rai and Jai.
However, I'm not too sure that T'Yalla should be put on the same level as Tibis, or even Verdijer for that matter. We don't know how long it was before he was captured after he had tasted the Sacred Pie, but I don't think it was very long, a couple years tops. Before that he was simply a mortal who was exceptionally skilled in the art of the Sacred Objects. We know he had the Gloves, the Tunic, the Medallion, and either the Boots, the Belt, or the Pouch.
Given that, how could you imagine Tibis being taken down by anything short of a billion guys working together with a foolproof strategy? _________________ ...
Atlas -- I'm with Hatter about the speed thing. Overall running speed and reflex time are two different things. The way I understand it, the pants alter time itself (see the description on the Sacred Objects page -- about the wearer not feeling like he's going fast, but that everyone else is going slow). That being said, when Verdijer runs around, he feels like he's running around fast. But if something happens, he's got to react to it in real time. If Tibis is using the pants, he's got a HUGE upper hand.
Hatter -- I think that YOU are underestimating the power of the Pie. The fact that Verdijer was able to stand up against Rai and Jai TOGETHER shows just how powerful he is. While he might not have the reaction time that Tibis has, he HAS been training to fight Rai and Jai, who, as I've said, I think are WAY stronger than Tibis.
Man, we need some more regular poster around here. At the moment it just seems like it's me versus Atlas, with Kench having some sort of sissy ass Switzerland, Florida, swing state attitude.
Anyways, poking holes at the hole-poker:
You said before that you think Verdijer would ultimately lose in a fight between him and Tibis (albeit after a close battle). Verdijer was strong enough to hold off Rai and Jai for a couple of minutes, so logic states that since he could do it, Tibis could do it as well.
However, when thinking through the scenarios I'm mostly imagining Tibis versus only Rai or Jai, not both at the same time. I'd be a fool to think that Tibis would be able to fight them both off for long without any specific training or beforehand knowledge about them and their fighting style. In fact, the fight I imagine between Tibis and Rai has Tibis losing his head in the first couple minutes, literally, but after that he wisens up and takes his distance from Rai. After several hours he ends up losing both of his arms and is forced to escape once he realizes that he's completely unarmed.
That's how I imagine it happening anyways. _________________ ...
However, when thinking through the scenarios I'm mostly imagining Tibis versus only Rai or Jai, not both at the same time. I'd be a fool to think that Tibis would be able to fight them both off for long without any specific training or beforehand knowledge about them and their fighting style. In fact, the fight I imagine between Tibis and Rai has Tibis losing his head in the first couple minutes, literally, but after that he wisens up and takes his distance from Rai. After several hours he ends up losing both of his arms and is forced to escape once he realizes that he's completely unarmed.
Wohoo! Here's some storyboard fun! I just started doodling and this came out! I may actually turn this into something.
Of course the Objects are indestructable! Could you really imagine any of them breaking? It's not like they were crafted by just anybody, they were freakin made by Lucifer himself! If you're an immortal being, you kind of want stuff that'll last you your lifetime, which is like, forever.
We don't know the specific details about Rai and Jai's swords, but we know they can't cut through everything. Such as Michael's sword, Gideon's katar, and, most notably, the sharp edges of Verdijer's Doddler and Makon made blades. _________________ ...
Yeah, it seems like they should be indestructable...but for some reason I have a problem with him grabbing the sword like that. I dont know what it is, it just seems like something in Tibis' hand would have to give.
Yeah, it seems like they should be indestructable...but for some reason I have a problem with him grabbing the sword like that. I dont know what it is, it just seems like something in Tibis' hand would have to give.
So he should just... what? Let him chop his head off?
To be honest, I thought you'd be more iffed by Rai deflecting one of Tibis' Glove blasts with his sword. _________________ ...
I figured it was a weak little blast, and I'm guessing that his sword is something special (much like how the angels all had special weapons/armor stuff)
Well I guess that I am automatically biased towards Jai/Rai to win because I am dating Jay IRL. But only because their charaters are kickass in the comic. Real life Ray and Jay I don't think would be able to fight Tibis for more than a millisecond. They both are very well trained and tough in the comic and I think that they could definitely take on Tibis(Especially if they work together for once). Well we shall see what is in store for the guys later on in the comic I guess.
Hatter you keep saying that Verdijer held off Rai and Jai for only a couple of minutes. I think it was much longer than that. I stand by my original estimate of it being at least 7 or 10 minutes.
Regarding Tibis' speed capabilities. How fast do you think Rai, Jai, and Verdijer were moving when they were fighting. If you were to be standing on a street corner watching the three fight, it'd probably look like nothing but a blur to you.
And as for Rai and/or Jai versus Tibby. I highly doubt Tibis could hit either of them once. You saw the fight they had between each other on that space city. They never even touched once- even without their blades. Not to mention that we've been told that they are beings with no rivals (save each other) in the entire universe. They are the pinnacle of power within the universe. _________________ "You actually need a reason to have an orgy?" -Alex Roentgen
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