Soldiers of the Cross

[Mathetes the kerux]

Yepper. CU . . . or Christian Reconciliationism . . . is a lie.

They base many of there arguments on anitquated sources . . . have no real grasp of the Greek . . . are aligned in a presuppositional view of God as like a man (namely in His love) . . . have an hugely errant view of sin . . . and blatanly disregard several texts which speak of the eternal abode of the unrighteous.

My huge harp though is atonement by other than the cross of Christ.

In their view the LOF is purgatorial . . . IOW, it is for purging out impurities . . . and people go there because they did not accept Christ while here . . . and then are later let out after the purging of their unrighteous deeds has run its course. Yet this makes NOT the cross of Christ the atoning factor . . . but the payment for their own sins in the LOF. God's wrath is never atoned for by CHRIST . . . but by their own payment.

[IamRedeemed]

Exactly! That pretty much summarizes what I have gathered that the doctrine they hold is saying. (at least those who acknowledge that there is a hell and a LOF.) And when I confront them with that summary, they deny it, but I do not see how they can even attempt to deny it. It is what Zaac (and my son too in fact) calls "talking out of both sides of your neck". So, basically the debate goes on in a circular motion, as it did there for 5-6000 posts, as they would call in others, and then you would end up going over the same things with them, perhaps from a different starting point or whatever, but we would end up at the same location eventually...back where we started.
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My only hope is that someone reading who was not directly involved (therefore has no emotional involvement) will be able to see those points along the way and say...hey... this UR, CR doctrine, doesn't make sense....that IS what they are saying...and seek out the truth from God's Word and allow the Holy Spirit to lead them to THE truth. I mean, if you only knew the Gospel and nothing else, you would have to know that doctrine just doesn't fit. It makes absolutely NO SENSE whatsoever. It undermines the Gospel message and the Cross of Christ in its very essence. But the fact that most of us know more than the Gospel message, there really is no excuse to believe that load of false doctrine. It is pure deception. It's what itching ears want to hear.

Yepper. CU . . . or Christian Reconciliationism . . . is a lie.

They base many of there arguments on anitquated sources . . . have no real grasp of the Greek . . . are aligned in a presuppositional view of God as like a man (namely in His love) . . . have an hugely errant view of sin . . . and blatanly disregard several texts which speak of the eternal abode of the unrighteous.

My huge harp though is atonement by other than the cross of Christ.

In their view the LOF is purgatorial . . . IOW, it is for purging out impurities . . . and people go there because they did not accept Christ while here . . . and then are later let out after the purging of their unrighteous deeds has run its course. Yet this makes NOT the cross of Christ the atoning factor . . . but the payment for their own sins in the LOF. God's wrath is never atoned for by CHRIST . . . but by their own payment.

[lincolngreen50]

There cannot be salvation without repentence.There cannot be a halfway house to bring in more people that can bring in more money to these churches that preach the floored doctrine of universalism.

[IamRedeemed]

That's right LG.
This Scripture comes to mind from 2 Peter 2:3

"And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not."

Those who preach to the itching ears, (of those who trade truth for lies and incline their ears and hearts to fables), are making merchandise of them, and what is for sale is their very souls. Where ever there are those with itching ears, the enemy is all to happy to oblige them a counterfeit and fill up the counterfeit churches with false teachers and prophets.

[Rut]

New Age and universalism are bedfellows. It doesn't just come from Internet forums like CF and others. Even so called 'Christian' TV shows like Little House on Prairie and Highway to Heaven promote it. There was one episode on Highway to Heaven that I could not stand. It was entitled The Silent Bell. There was a Christian school. Its bell was silent because they didn't Islam in their school. I wanted to be sick.

So Universalism is everywhere you turn. It often comes under the guise of 'Christian' entertainment.

[IamRedeemed]

Yes, we know that Universalism didn't start and end at CF. That just happens to be where the debate occurred at the time this thread was started that birthed this discussion.
What started it there, was the doctrine being slipped in, throughout various apologetic areas, so I posted the OP, to get them out and exposed instead of sneaking around the site undetected, planting their poisonous doctrines. They completely ignored Scriptures and repeatedly plucked out portions of Scripture in a lame attempt to support that doctrine of devils and when their error was exposed in the context of the text, they again, ignored those posts and this continued on for somewhere between 5-6000 posts as each time new ones would enter the debate we would start again with them from square one and the same tactics were repeated over and over.

On a side note: I never saw anything on Little House on the Prairie that I can think of that was new age, not saying that isn't true, just that I don't recall seeing any. I never watched Highway to Heaven, but I can see the problem with the episode you describe. I have seen a lot of problems with "Touched by an Angel" though.

[Rut]

On House on the prairie there were two episodes that I recall. One incolved a jewish carpenter and the other involved an Indian boy practicing his own native religion. After seeing those two episodes, I stopped watching the series.

My participation at CF has dropped off because of the preponderance of Universalism and the protected status that certain sinful lifestyles now have over there.

[IamRedeemed]

While subliminal messaging through television programming, such at Little House, is a worthy topic for discussion, that show, as well as the others are fictional, while the topic of this discussion is the doctrine of devils, known as Universalism which is occurring in reality, with Churches that preach such being literally established in society, using the name of Christ and sending people who listen to them to hell in droves. So, if we want to discuss the infiltration of doctrines such as this one or New Age and other underlying agendas appearing in television programming, we should probably create a separate thread devoted to that discussion. Edit to add: This is to me as much as to you. I was tempted to answer your last post, and had to stop myself and say wait a minute..we should start another thread. Just wanted you to know that in case it wasn't readily inferred by my use of "we".
God bless!