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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:26 am    Post subject: Study Shows Jets Hitting Buildings "Atomize" On Im
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A video clip widely circulated on the Internet shows a test that pulverized an F-4 fighter on impact with a hardened target, providing evidence to answer 9/11 skeptics who question why so little identifiable airplane debris remained after the hijacked American Airlines Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57680
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:34 am    Post subject:
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Exclamation  Even if this video is true, what happened to world trade center building #7

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W T C 7

Building 7 was the third skyscraper to be reduced to rubble on September 11, 2001. According to the government, fires, primarily, leveled this building, but fires have never before or since destroyed a steel skyscraper.

The team that investigated the collapse were kept away from the crime scene. By the time they published their inconclusive report in May, 2002, the evidence had been destroyed.

Why did the government rapidly recycle the steel from the largest and most mysterious engineering failure in world history, and why has the media remained silent?

Building 7 going down Halfway through Building 7's 6.5-second plunge, streamers suggestive of demolition charges emerged from the facade.


Here is a short video to compare both WTC 7's fire and collapse with a previous 15 hour steel building burning. WTC 7 was never hit by either jet, yet it collapsed. This made the 3rd steel building to collapse in history, and oh ya.... ALL ON THE SAME DAY! I could go on and on about this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEPjOi2dQSM

Above quoted source:

http://wtc7.net/

This video is longer, worth a watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58h0LjdMry0&feature=related

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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:05 am    Post subject:
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Here are some more conspiracies...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMLJJEDDDGc
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:15 am    Post subject:
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Michael Lee Victor - What do you think happened to WTC building 7?

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By Preston Whitaker

Mon Feb 18 22:01:48 GMT 2008
I don't buy it. I suspect something else was involved with keeping the fires burning so hot for so long. Maybe it was thermite/thermate in the explosives (which was most likely what was)used to bring down the towers, perhaps it was some type of nuclear fuel, or some other explanation.

I dunno... However, here's a simple observation: A household fireplace burning well-seasoned oak, that has been continually stoked with new wood through the night will eventually reach a termperature where the center of the coals will be almost white-hot with a purplish tinge. This is the hottest area of the fire which is 1,200 - 1,500 degrees.

By the next morning, most all coals will be out, and certainly within two days (though occassionally there'll be the isolated and very rare small coal one can find when cleaning out the ashes 3-4 days later).

Since the WTC fires could be seen glowing orange on TV well into December - over 90-120 days later, whatever was burning obviously had to be something far different than the wood/paper office products or jet fuel. Most of the jet fuel was burned off in the initial explosion, and what was left wasn't hot enough to melt or soften the steel frame of the buildings. And even if it was hot enough, the official story put out by the Bush administration stated that the fire inside the impact area was so intense that it caused the weakening/softening of the floor trusses.

We can prove this is not true though with photo evidence of people standing at the edge of the impact area which, like much other evidence, was blocked from being shown in the media. So obviously, the fires couldn't have been too hot there if people were standing right where the fires were supposed to have been so hot it caused the buildings to fall.

The glowing areas of the debris pile reminded me of the helicopter shots of the Chernobyl reactor in 1986.

Wood will only get up to 1,500 degrees at the most, so whatever was glowing at the base of the WTC towers well into into December was obviously vastly hotter than office paper products or any jet fuel.

And then there's building #7. Only a fool would believe this was brought down by errant fires from material thrown off from buildings 1 and 2.


Source: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1634


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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:23 am    Post subject:
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I honestly don't know.  Seems suspicious.  What I DO know is that militant Islamists (who number in the multiple millions) want to destroy Israel and the West in the worst way.  They genuinely believe that it is the surest way to Islamic paradise for them.  That I know.  They are fulfilling Biblical prophecy is spite of themselves.
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:35 am    Post subject:
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You know how growing up there was always this bad kid that could always be blamed for anything, because of his record of being bad. I feel that is what has happened here.
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:39 am    Post subject:
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That's true.  My own brother got into so much trouble when we were growing up, that he began to be blamed for things he didn't do - my folks told him he brought it on himself.
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:49 am    Post subject:
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Look at what this MIT Engineer guy says:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q8XToX7aSdg

or all these people talking about bombs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&NR=1

How many of these media clips do you see on the main-stream media today? NONE!  Evil or Very Mad


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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:00 am    Post subject:
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Interesting.  Then again, you've got this argument:

http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:33 am    Post subject:
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Looking at that link just showed me more that the MIT Engineer guy was right.
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:57 am    Post subject:
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The MIT guy may have a point.  Check this one out - listen to the local news coverage from that day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6m88MAsR8I
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:48 am    Post subject:
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You don't want me to get started on this.

I've searched much information on this, mostly soon after 911 and found it seems to be linked to 911 but not in the way you think.

Take a look at the picture here and tell me if you think ONLY a truck bomb did this?

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It doesn't look like it to me.  I know truck bombs can be powerful, but the damage seems excessive for one Ryder truck bomb.  The thing that strikes me the most is the local network's coverage that day.  Other compilations have shown that ALL the local news media were reporting the same thing initially - the authorities were telling them that additional bombs had been discovered in the building, and were being defused and removed.  Suddenly, the whole story changed.

Found an interesting study on rulers from a Biblical perspective:

I. Accepting the idea that Christians should vote when their government gives them the opportunity to do so, the question then turns to: For whom should we vote?
A. Far too often we are presented with choices where it appears we must choose between the lesser of two evils
B. I might have opinions on the current candidates, but is my opinion worth anything? How can we really know how "our" candidate will actually govern once elected?
C. The Bible does tell us what characteristics make one ruler "good" and another "bad."
D. While in biblical times people were stuck with their ruler until God removed him, can we not use those principles to help weigh our options?

II. A Ruler is God's Servant (serving because God ALLOWED him/her to)
A. Governments exist by God's ordination - Romans 13:1-2
 1. God puts those in power that He desires, even the wicked - Daniel 4:17
 2. "He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory I Samuel 2:8
B. Governmental leaders then are God's servants for good or for punishment - even those who might not acknowledge God - Romans 13:6; Jeremiah 27:4-11
C. When God wanted a replacement for Saul - I Samuel 13:14
 1. David was a man who obeyed God - I Kings 11:34
 2. Israel later fell because its rulers broke God's laws - Jeremiah 2:8
D. A wicked ruler is destructive - Proverbs 28:15
E. Poor rulers desire power, "legacy" and wealth. Good leaders want to serve and help - Matthew 20:25-28

III. A Ruler Leads
A. A good ruler leads by example - Ecclesiastes 10:17
B. A corrupt ruler will lead the people astray - Ezra 9:2

IV. A Ruler Dispenses Justice - Micah 3:1
A. A ruler must not act foolishly - Ecclesiastes 10:5-7
B. A ruler needs wisdom - Proverbs 8:16
 1. When Solomon was made king - I Kings 3:7-12
 2. Pharaoh chose Joseph to rule over Egypt - Genesis 41:33-41
 3. Nebuchadnezzar chose Daniel to rule - Daniel 2:47-48
C. Without wisdom, men turn to might to get their way - Proverbs 28:16
 1. They prey on their own people - Ezekiel 45:9, Zephaniah 3:3
 2. Plundering the poor - Isaiah 3:14
D. Kings are placed on thrones to do justice - I Kings 10:9
 1. They act on behalf of God - II Chronicles 19:6
 2. Israel had rulers who abhorred justice - Micah 3:9-12
E. This is why bribery is condemned, it interferes with justice
 1. Willing to destroy for money - Ezekiel 22:27
F. Nor are rulers to use alcohol - Proverbs 31:4-5
 1. Drinking led to the downfall of Israel - Jeremiah 51:57

V. A Ruler Punishes Evil - Romans 13:3-4
A. To do this, a king must reign in righteousness - Isaiah 32:1
B. If a ruler accepts lies, corruption spreads - Proverbs 29:12
C. Destruction follows those who accept evil - Isaiah 1:23
 1. It was a cause of Israel's fall - Hosea 4:18; 7:3-7

VI. If you want to enjoy peace and prosperity, pray & vote for good rulers
A. We might not always get one. God might have other plans!
B. More importantly, we need to cultivate a society that desires and produces good leaders – that means teaching God's Word, spreading the Gospel, rebuking sin, and advocating morality.
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:36 pm    Post subject:
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Michael Lee Victor - It sounds like you, as I do, don't believe the Oklahoma city bombing happened as they say it did.

There is rumor that it was a test for the WTC event and used to build US support.
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Scary, isn't it?  Means there's not a dime worth of difference between Democrats and Republicans, if this kind of heinous evil prevails under both administrations.  All other issues pale into insignificance if God destroys us because of this unconscionable violence.  I pray fervently that America wakes up soon!
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