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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject: Independent Thinker’s - 9/11 FACT SHEET
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       What occurred on September 11th, 2001 is a matter of facts, physics and unprecedented violations of national protocol by American officials themselves. Here're 10 points to consider. There're hundreds more.

       1. No steel-framed building before or since 9/11 has ever collapsed due to fire.

       2. No official agency (FAA, FBI, or the airlines) has ever released a list of the 9/11 passengers. But within hours, the FBI released a list of the hijackers.

       3. On September 11th, 2001 the FAA successfully grounded all aircraft—an unprecedented operation. Yet it could not successfully scramble any jet fighters that day-–a normal procedure occurring over 100 times a year.

       4. Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper and part of the World Trade Center complex, was not struck by a plane but collapsed in 6.5 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on September 11th, in the exact manner of a controlled demolition.

       5. There was no visible airplane debris where Flight 93 supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania-–only a smoking hole in the ground, much like a bomb crater.

       6. Office fires burn at low temperatures of 600-800 dF. Steel melts at 2750 dF. Jet fuel is an ordinary hydrocarbon; its maximal burning temperature is 1200 dF in open air. Neither jet fuel nor the burning contents of the buildings could have caused the towers’ steel structure to buckle or fail.

       7. Tests have shown that cell-phone calls cannot be made at altitudes over 4000 to 8000 feet, as cell towers are located on the ground. Commercial airplanes fly at 30,000 feet and above. No passenger could have successfully placed a call for help by cell phone from an airborne plane on 9/11, as reported.

       8. 9/11 was immediately declared an “act of war” by President Bush. The rubble from Ground Zero was carted away and the steel sold off without examination.

       9. Enormous profits were made by insiders on plummeting stock prices of the two airlines involved in 9/11-–American and United. Federal law protects their identities.

       10. Accepting victims’ compensation barred 9/11 families from further discovery through litigation.


http://www.abodia.com/911/#9/11_FACT_SHEET
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:21 pm    Post subject:
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this link is a timeline of 911 you can clearly see that the governments story just does not add up.



vote ron paul save america!http://www.911timeline.net/
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:36 am    Post subject:
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http://www.911timeline.net/


have you seen this link brain?
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:29 am    Post subject:
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I have now, but I don't have the time to read it all right now.

I'll read it down the road sometime though, thanks for the share.
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:25 pm    Post subject: ron paul
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they say ron paul is done with his presidential run. man i will be glad when all this is over. all the money all of these people have spent could have went to good use for kids and vets living on the streets. think of all the school closings and teachers jobs lost and police dept not to count jobs like ours. the great USA  is going to hell and fast . i don't care who wins it will take 30 years to fix what BUSH has done to us all. STOP WORRYING ABOUT THE OTHER COUNTRIES FIX THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICAN. james scott
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your about to see what nafta on steroids looks like, thanks to those who voted mccain, clinton and obama. you can kiss the rest of the american middle class good bye! Sad
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Independent Thinker’s - 9/11 FACT SHEET
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BrianLaws wrote:
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Independent Thinker’s -  9/11 FACT SHEET       Back to Top

       What occurred on September 11th, 2001 is a matter of facts, physics and unprecedented violations of national protocol by American officials themselves. Here're 10 points to consider. There're hundreds more.

       1. No steel-framed building before or since 9/11 has ever collapsed due to fire.

       2. No official agency (FAA, FBI, or the airlines) has ever released a list of the 9/11 passengers. But within hours, the FBI released a list of the hijackers.

       3. On September 11th, 2001 the FAA successfully grounded all aircraft—an unprecedented operation. Yet it could not successfully scramble any jet fighters that day-–a normal procedure occurring over 100 times a year.

       4. Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper and part of the World Trade Center complex, was not struck by a plane but collapsed in 6.5 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on September 11th, in the exact manner of a controlled demolition.

       5. There was no visible airplane debris where Flight 93 supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania-–only a smoking hole in the ground, much like a bomb crater.

       6. Office fires burn at low temperatures of 600-800 dF. Steel melts at 2750 dF. Jet fuel is an ordinary hydrocarbon; its maximal burning temperature is 1200 dF in open air. Neither jet fuel nor the burning contents of the buildings could have caused the towers’ steel structure to buckle or fail.

       7. Tests have shown that cell-phone calls cannot be made at altitudes over 4000 to 8000 feet, as cell towers are located on the ground. Commercial airplanes fly at 30,000 feet and above. No passenger could have successfully placed a call for help by cell phone from an airborne plane on 9/11, as reported.

       8. 9/11 was immediately declared an “act of war” by President Bush. The rubble from Ground Zero was carted away and the steel sold off without examination.

       9. Enormous profits were made by insiders on plummeting stock prices of the two airlines involved in 9/11-–American and United. Federal law protects their identities.

       10. Accepting victims’ compensation barred 9/11 families from further discovery through litigation.


http://www.abodia.com/911/#9/11_FACT_SHEET
Cmon Brian, I cant believe you subscribe to this kind of bull. Some cell phone connections are possible from aircraft, some of the calls were made from the air-phones on the back of the passenger seats. From working in a heat treating facility I can tell you for fact that temps ranging from 400 to 1200 degrees may not melt steel, but they do DRAMATICALLY change the molecular make-up of steel, especially if the steel has already been tempered once before. The steel was not immediatly sold off, it was taken to a scrap site and was able to be examined. As far as the rubble still burning much later. When I was a kid we had machine shed burn down, when my Dad and Uncle cleared it out a month and a half later, the rubble towards the center was still hot and smoking. That was just a machine shed, Im sure 100+ stories of rubble would continue to burn for quite a while.
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:32 am    Post subject:
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I put #4 in BOLD as you even quoted me and if someone can answer that alone I'd feel better.
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:23 am    Post subject:
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Larry A. Silverstein (born 1932) is an American billionaire real estate investor and operator and the head of Silverstein Properties, a real estate development group. Silverstein is also a member of New York University's Board of Trustees. Silverstein was the leaseholder of the World Trade Center property at the time of the September 11, 2001 attacks and currently oversees its reconstruction.

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Larry Silverstein, the controller of the destroyed WTC complex, stated plainly in a PBS documentary that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish WTC 7 late in the afternoon of 9/11. In the documentary "America Rebuilds", aired September 2002, Silverstein makes the following statement;

"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ9BofDUXv0&NR=1


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