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Chickenman
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:01 pm Post subject: Toyota to TRANSFER Workforce |
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Aug. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Toyota Motor Corp., with U.S. sales hurt by falling demand for trucks, may shuffle some full-time U.S. workers to other plants as it slows pickup production in Indiana and Texas.
Temporary Workers
Relocating workers to Georgetown may mean cutting temporary assembly jobs at the plant, Toyota's largest in North America, Goss said. Unlike unionized U.S. automakers, Toyota meets part of its assembly needs with temporary employees. Toyota has about 25,700 U.S. manufacturing workers, according to its Web site.
Georgetown's nearly 700 temporary workers, or 10 percent of total employment, could be trimmed should the plant bring in Princeton staff, Goss said. Toyota pared temporary jobs at Princeton last year and is reducing such positions in San Antonio this month.
``We use temporary workers at all our plants because it gives us flexibility to adjust production up or down quickly, and also help to protect the positions of permanent team members,'' Goss said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=atVbSkCclRr8&refer=japan |
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quinton
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Iv'e kept quiet on this topic but Chickenman you nailed it with your
highlight. Even though I disagree with the way the 119 day'rs are treated,
it's about protecting permanent senority jobs. I'm sorry, there is a difference between permanent senority postions and non-senority temporary un-hired positions. At my old plant we would have called these
workers scabs because I don't care how you slice it we are a closed shop, plain and simple. That being said I don't like seeing people get jerked around. My advice, sick of being jerked around?, find a new job
I wouldn't blame you. In ending 119 day,rs, if I were you I probably
would sign the sheet if you want to keep working but..... I think the comp. is getting your hopes up just to see new transfers take up all
the avalible positions. But I do wish you all good luck!!!!! |
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ResDcc
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Then my question is, how the hell are people supposed to get these ellusive perm. fulltime positions. Seriously, are there to be none that never open up again? How many buyouts, retires and so forth are going to have to happen before someone is hired in full time... I not sure there will ever be any more perm full time people, that the whole workforce will slowly be converted over to a more flexable temp workforce, its already starting with the ETE program and now they use of more and more 119 day programs and the like.
How long is temporary? 1 month, 2 months...2 years? For that matter how long is permament? Hell, I have gotten permament marker on my hands before that faded away after a few weeks. There is no shame in trying everything you can to become a perm worker. Be it working as a TPT or ETE or what not. These are programs that the union officals that you have voted have allowed into the system. Dont slam the people that are trying to get into the system, instead, blast those that ALLOWED the system in the first place. If the ETE or TPT program was never implemented in the first place, we would not be having this discussion of temps being shown the door.
And sorry to break the news to you, your no longer a closed union shop...that ideal and concept went out the window when these programs where allowed in. As much as people would like to relive the glory days of the UAW, its not the same, right or wrong, black or grey, its not. And what gets me, is the most powerful weapon that Union workers had, the ability to strike, has so much red tape and restrictions to it that its controled by the very people that are allowing these programs in the door in the first place. |
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just another ete
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: |
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this is for quinton and whom ever else may want to reply
| quinton wrote: |
I'm sorry, there is a difference between permanent senority postions and non-senority temporary un-hired positions. At my old plant we would have called these workers scabs |
How were you hired in? Did you start out permanent? |
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quinton
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I agree that somehow we lost the closed shop system by letting workers
go more than 119 days without being hired. And believe me I disagree
whole heartedly with them pulling that kind of crap.
But what I also said was instead of letting them jerk you around for 14
bucks an hour and stressing you out to no end mabe it's time to move on.
How are supposed to get hired full time? Chrysler hasn't done that for 8
years and there are still thousands of full time employees in the job bank
and more to go in. With only a few hundred positions comming avalible
they will probably be filled by displaced Chrysler workers and once again
you will feel screwed. Thats why I say after over 2 years of being
played I wouldn't blame anyone for moving on, I would.
And yes I started part time, but that was also in a time of large hirings,
not contraction like we are seeing now.
But nothing you or I say or feel will change the fact that senority employees will get first shot at any or all open positions before they
hire, and that part I do agree with. |
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just another ete
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| quinton wrote: |
I agree that somehow we lost the closed shop system by letting workers
go more than 119 days without being hired. And believe me I disagree
whole heartedly with them pulling that kind of crap.
But what I also said was instead of letting them jerk you around for 14
bucks an hour and stressing you out to no end mabe it's time to move on.
How are supposed to get hired full time? Chrysler hasn't done that for 8
years and there are still thousands of full time employees in the job bank
and more to go in. With only a few hundred positions comming avalible
they will probably be filled by displaced Chrysler workers and once again
you will feel screwed. Thats why I say after over 2 years of being
played I wouldn't blame anyone for moving on, I would.
And yes I started part time, but that was also in a time of large hirings,
not contraction like we are seeing now.
But nothing you or I say or feel will change the fact that senority employees will get first shot at any or all open positions before they
hire, and that part I do agree with. |
i haven't heard on here of any temps saying they did not think seniority employees should not get first shot, also i haven't heard anything about anyone believing or hoping anymore, most by now know all is BULLS... being told and said by company and union. i do however disagree with your old plant calling these people scabs due to the fact that scabs usually do not pay union dues  |
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 Split: Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:02 pm by Chickenman
From Topic Toyota to TRANSFER Workforce (Auto Industry Related News Media) |
Michael Lee Victor
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The difference between permanent and temp seems to be the SUB pay permanents get when laid off. |
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