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frogger
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Funguy- You don't have to SHOUT it!!!
"private board that has nothing to do with the UAW union"
I think everyone can read the front page of this forum where it states just what you wrote. What happened, all of a sudden you are VERY bold on here. I may not post a lot but I do stop by frequently. How you have a karma of 3 oops sorry I meant 2 I have no idea!!!! Have a great weekend. |
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quinton
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Frogger you need to go back on this subject and see why funguy is
pissed. igotquestions2 has done nothing but taunt us telling us we are
doomed and "likes to tell us I told you so" and "it's a matter of time".
Yet not a peep from Brian about taunting. Funguy comes back with a
response making light of the situation and brian warns him for taunting.
What Funguy is pointing out is since this is truely a private board, Brian
can pick and choose what he wants read on here. |
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igotquestions2
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: |
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i think its suffice to say i have been accurate for the past 2 years as to the fate of your company. Way back then I listened to the lies every day knowing full well what was actually occurring. Should i rub your nose in it, probably not. But i am just returning the favor. Its not you specifically just those that i had differences with. I kept my mouth shut and did my job regardless of what was said each day. funguy can taunt me all he wants it doesnt bother me. I listened to it for 2 years at that dump. And as far as the "told you so" issue, where have i been wrong this whole time. Please point that out.
http://www.reuters.com/article/ousivMolt/idUST8934920080901?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
I dont see Chrysler on this list anywhere. Shouldnt they be with the size of the company and employees they have? |
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Funguy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| frogger wrote: |
Funguy- You don't have to SHOUT it!!!
"private board that has nothing to do with the UAW union"
I think everyone can read the front page of this forum where it states just what you wrote. What happened, all of a sudden you are VERY bold on here. I may not post a lot but I do stop by frequently. How you have a karma of 3 oops sorry I meant 2 I have no idea!!!! Have a great weekend. |
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/diary-of-a-chrysler-parts-supplier/
Obviously some can't read the fine print
if you notice the author starts out with "The following was posted anonymously on a UAW website." and the link goes right to UAWTALK.
THIS IS NOT A UAW WEBSITE |
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quinton
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"As far as the told you so issue, where have I been wrong this whole time."
What you like to do is guess when the demise of Chrysler will
happen so you can then say "I told you so." Other than that you haven't
impressed me with any of the info you plaster on this site. Suffice to
say your accutate with our fate???? Did Chrysler close when I wasn't
looking.
Ya ya ya the auto ind, isn't so healthy right now, but in no way have you
swayed me to believe im losing my job. Ive been hearing those rumors
for a long time. And some 2 year ex with a chip on his shoulder, drumming up crap articles from anonymous employees certainly isn't
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igotquestions2
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i cant predict the exact time because they keep their financials private. thats why they are owned by a private company. if they traded publicly on the stock market it would all ready be over. you wont necessarily lose your job, just be working for another company. all depends how small they need to get based on market share. my posts are not to impress you, they are general information about a company that from the sounds of it you have no clue even though you have worked there for x number of years. In years past like in 1979, you didnt have competition. now you do. all that matters is that little graph called market share. as long as that continues to slide it wont matter how many cost cutting measures are taken, someone will lose their job eventually. you want to sit in denial go ahead. its not like what you say matters. Bankruptcy wouldnt necessarily be a bad thing. Cerberus could renegotiate with workers and vendors and really turn the tables and if they downsize enough they could look good again. say 3-5% market share. I mean really what product do they have that actually is a leader in its class? NONE! Drumming up articles? i dont know any anonymous employees you speak of. I have been in the industry much longer than 2 years, and that was plenty at BAP. what a circus! No wonder Chrysler needs another bailout.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/aporkalypse-now-the-chrysler-comparison/ |
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Funguy
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Did you know that 57% of all statistics are actually made up on the spot? |
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igotquestions2
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: august sales figures |
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ResDcc
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So you post a few statistics during a rough year for all automakers. Does not mean Chrysler is going to fold. Could they do things diffrent, you bet, are they trying to change some things, you bet. Will it work. Not for sure yet.
I am not sure the big three are going to be able to compete with the forgein market until a few things happen;
1st Drastic change within the UAW to allow more flexability of the workforce and wages.
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2nd The Goverment places high tax's and import rates for cars built outside the USA, this goes for Big Three cars being built outside as well.
I dont forsee Chrysler folding. I see a possible merger with another company. But I dont think the goverment will allow Chrysler to fold, to big of a icon and player in the global market, and would signal that the US is even in a further ressesion that it really is. I think the UAW is on far more unstable ground than any of the Big three. |
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igotquestions2
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OK so i agree with some of that. but i think you miss the most important thing, they dont offer vehicles that consumers want. In order to fix that you know it will take a few years minimum. in terms of finances, do you think they can survive that long without outside funding? i thought merger also but why? what value is there. The Ram? A few Jeep models? Sure i see alliances but i think it will be to use manufacturing space here. lease it to outside manufacturers. in a global market, yes wages and benefits must come down. thats just reality. as far as chrysler being too big to fold, i dont think so. its a different environment now than it was during the last bailout. if Cerberus adjusts to their share of the market, its not that big of a loss. Globally Chrysler is basically a non factor. Less than 10% outside the US, thats not very good. This past year will be nothing compared to the next. The collapse of mortgage market is a preview of the auto loan segment. The bottom line really is you have to build good quality cars that consumers want. Chrysler isnt doing it and i dont see anything in the future that indicates they will. If you can give me an example please do. |
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ResDcc
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I think the newly resigned Ram shows that they are moving in the right direction. As a company, we are still in the growing stages of the Cebrus era, there is still alot that has to be done. They are barely a model year into the new Chrysler, and alot of things have changed. They are not going to be able to produce an entirely revamped and retuned line up in that period of time. Couple with that, there first year was basicly an awakening to the world of the UAW and contract time.
As far as only a 10% market share in the global market? How big do you expect them to be? For the number of auto makers there is, and considering that Chrysler is the smaller of the Big 3, 10% is not that bad.
In my views, the Big three are fine, its the UAW that is under attack. The last contract and the mass use of temps is underminding the very foundation that the UAW was built on. Atleast in my view, the Big three are placing themselves very nicely to get rid of the UAW within the next 2 contracts, if not sooner. And whats bad, is the UAW is allowing it to happen. |
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igotquestions2
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yoiu misread that. they dont have 10% global share. Less than 10% of their sales are outside the US. they are not a factor globally in the least. GM and F in comparison have between 50-60% outside the US. As far as the UAW goes, what choice do they have? There are going to be far bigger markets than here as the world grows. If you dont establish yourself now you will never do so. Since Chrysler is essentially the only manufacturer that is so heavily concentrated here, in the US, how do you expect a recovery in the next couple years. Do you honestly believe with all the things going wrong at Cerberus, GMAC is theirs, that they are going to keep this for the long run? They are here to make changes, private companies can do this more easily than public. Thats their business, thats what they do. There may be a company called Chrysler at the end of this but it wont be nothing close to what it is right now. At least you have the common sense to know the situation and acknowledge it. Thats important. As far as the Ram, trucks will be weak as long as housing is so i dont think that will cause a bounce in the near term. As far as revamped lineup they blew that chance in 2006 and 2007. Several new models, essentially nothing topping any particular class. At any rate, something better change soon. |
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