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Granny
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This is for Larry140:
Socialism WILL NOT fix the problem! I firmly believe if we vote according to godly morals and values; God will take care of our wallets. Psalms 33:12 ”Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.” America is still the land of opportunity. As long as we remain free, we can still pursue and achieve the American dream. Beloit, Wisconsin has living proof of that in the story of Ken Hendricks, a high school dropout that is now a multi billionaire (#91 on 2007 Forbes 400 list) He buys old factories to fix and open back up giving people the opportunity to work. Do a search on him, or drive thru Beloit. He was 2006 Entrepreneur of the Year at inc.com http://www.inc.com/magazine/20061201/entrepreneur-hendricks.html |
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Larry140
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: a Union for all |
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Hi Granny,
Thanks for explaining about that. I like hearing all the different views out there.
The best Union is one where we debate our ideas about the larger future, and at the same time we can come together and fight for the basic wages and conditions we need.
I've read a lot of your pro-Union posts here, and I'm proud to be fighting that same cause with you.
If we are able to take back our Union then all of our futures will be a lot better regardless!
solidarity,
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:17 am Post subject: Re: OldSchool |
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I watched that whole debate. That is when I started leaning even more toward Huckabee. War against evil will continue until Christ returns and puts an end to it. We have to protect our freedom. “Give me liberty or give me death!” If it weren’t for people like that, we would not have a Constitution at all. Declaring war gives the President too much power for our political agenda Congress to do so. Congress voted to go to Iraq even if it was based on faulty intelligence. Maybe it could have been better if the previous administration hadn’t depleted the funding. Troop deaths are down considerably since the surge. Victory can still be achieved if only Americans would stop fighting amongst ourselves.
Huckabee seemed to be the choice for those in Ft. Lauderdale that attended the Values Debate on Sept. 17th.
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| The First Ever Values Voter Presidential Debate Straw Poll, held last night at the Broward Center for the Performing Arts in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, declared Governor Mike Huckabee as the pro-family winner. |
http://www.valuesvoterdebate.com/ You can also click on the transcript at this site.
Maybe these answers are why Paul didn’t do as well.
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Q: Today, Christians are being beaten, jailed, and expelled throughout the Muslim world. In Saudi Arabia, no church buildings are permitted, yet Saudi extremist Wahhabis have built hundreds of mosques in the US with funding from Saudi Arabia. If elected, will you take action to protest these gross injustices and persecution by denying visas or imposing trade sanctions?
• HUCKABEE: Yes
• PAUL: No.
Q: Sarah Lu was forced to work in labor camps for six years, for the crime of being a Christian house church leader. Thousands of prisoners of conscience are forced to manufacture items that stock our American shelves. Would you make future trade with China contingent on them measurably improving their record on religious freedom & human rights?
• HUCKABEE: Yes.
• .PAUL: No.
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huckabee is a member of the cfr enough said. are you sure your pro life and not a war monger? give me liberty or give me death? do you know any thing about the patriot act and what that does to your liberty? to me it look like you want to force your way of life on everyone and that does not sound like freedom. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject: Please show me the list that states Mike Huckabee is a membe |
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| huckabee is a member of the cfr enough said. are you sure your pro life and not a war monger? give me liberty or give me death? |
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I researched a little on CFR ... and I found that there are five Republican candidates are not CFR members: Sam Brownback, Mike Huckabee, Tom Tancredo, Alan Keyes, and Ron Paul. I'm not sure to make of the Rick Warren comment. Although I disagree with some of his methods, The Purpose Driven Church has a lot of valuable information and insight. It's a bit of a reach to say that because Huckabee likes Warren's perspective on growing a church that he also agrees with everything else Warren has to say. Huckabee has clearly come out against open borders between US and Canada, and some other concerns related to the CFR.
http://hillings.blogspot.com/2007/09/its-official-we-are-endorsing-huckabee.html
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The Bible is clear that we are supposed to fight for what is right. I thank God America’s founding fathers were willing to stand and fight to give us freedom in this great country. I am willing to fight to keep it. If that makes me a war monger; so be it. I’d rather die fighting for my faith, family, and freedom; no one can threaten me with heaven.
Psalms 144:1 “Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:”
Matthew 10:34 “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.”
Luke 22:36 “Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”
Hebrews 12:4 “Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.”
Ephesians 6:10-11 “Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.”
I hope I will be able to say what the Apostle Paul said in 2 Timothy 4:7 “I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:” And I expect to be in the army of my Saviour, Jesus Christ, when He returns to earth.
Revelation 19:11-16 “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the |
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| do you know any thing about the patriot act and what that does to your liberty |
“Civil liberty is the liberty of men in a state of society, or natural liberty, so far only abridged and restrained, as is necessary and expedient for the safety and interest of the society, state or nation.” (Noah Webster’s 1828 Dictionary)
As a mother and grandmother, I have had to restrain the liberty of my children and grandchildren for their own safety on numerous occasions. Children have to be taught not to play with matches, gas stoves, in the street, etc. Our government enacted the Patriot Act to protect us. Sometimes I wish they could even be stricter. The safety of my family is at risk. If the majority of terrorist were short, fat, grannies; as a law abiding American, I would be offended if I wasn’t profiled. |
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Terrorists are willing to die to kill us, and we Americans seem to be divided as to what liberties we are willing to suspend in order to combat them. That gives them a great advantage. I fear for my country. |
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| do you know any thing about the patriot act and what that does to your liberty |
“Civil liberty is the liberty of men in a state of society, or natural liberty, so far only abridged and restrained, as is necessary and expedient for the safety and interest of the society, state or nation.” (Noah Webster’s 1828 Dictionary)
As a mother and grandmother, I have had to restrain the liberty of my children and grandchildren for their own safety on numerous occasions. Children have to be taught not to play with matches, gas stoves, in the street, etc. Our government enacted the Patriot Act to protect us. Sometimes I wish they could even be stricter. The safety of my family is at risk. If the majority of terrorist were short, fat, grannies; as a law abiding American, I would be offended if I wasn’t profiled. |
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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Captured Al Qaeda documents in Afghanistan revealed multiple plots to attack elementary and high schools in the U.S., holding kids hostage or killing as many as possible with bombs. These terrorists had the actual floor plans of many schools - and some of them were in rural areas! It isn't necessarily going to be a big city strategy in the future. They believe they will strike more fear and panic into the population if they go after smaller more random targets scattered around the country. |
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| Terrorists are willing to die to kill us, and we Americans seem to be divided as to what liberties we are willing to suspend in order to combat them. That gives them a great advantage. I fear for my country. |
Thank you, Mike! I was starting to think I was the only one that sees the dangers of the “cut and run” attitude.
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Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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"Those who would give up ESSENTIAL LIBERTY to purchase a little TEMPORARY SAFETY, deserve neither LIBERTY nor SAFETY" is a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759)…In a letter of September 27, 1760 to David Hume, however, Mr. Franklin stated that he published this book and denied that he wrote it…
It is essential that the government surveil for national security purposes such telephone calls, with or without a warrant from a judge, but with the authorization of America's President and Commander-in-Chief, because (1)America's Constitution is not a suicide pact, (2) terrorists have no right under it to privacy in telephoning, (3) an American's usual freedom from warrantless surveillance of telephone calls from abroad does not prevail when the government reasonably believes the telephone calls may involve terrorists plotting to attack America, (4) that freedom is hardly what the Founders considered "an essential liberty" and (5) protecting America from attacks like the September 11 attacks, or worse, is essential, and the time and attention needed to do the job as well as possible should not be wasted or diverted in order to follow time-consuming and, in such circumstance, needless, bureaucratic procedure when it is readily conceivable that terrorists will attack American cities with weapons of mass destruction, chemical, biological and/or even nuclear, and time is of the essence. At the signing of America's Declaration of Independence in 1776, Mr. Franklin did say: "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." He meant that the rebels would either band together as Americans or be hung individually at the gallows.
Egomaniacs and hedonistic fools did not win America's independence. We Americans of today should not allow egomaniacs and hedonistic fools among us to undermine America during the War on Terror and to endanger the lives of millions of us by treating telephone privacy as supremely important. (The telephone was invented long after America's Constitution was adopted and its Bill of Rights was ratified, so the Founders secured and maintained "essential liberty" without it.).
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| Terrorists are willing to die to kill us, and we Americans seem to be divided as to what liberties we are willing to suspend in order to combat them. That gives them a great advantage. I fear for my country. |
Thank you, Mike! I was starting to think I was the only one that sees the dangers of the “cut and run” attitude.
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Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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"Those who would give up ESSENTIAL LIBERTY to purchase a little TEMPORARY SAFETY, deserve neither LIBERTY nor SAFETY" is a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759)…In a letter of September 27, 1760 to David Hume, however, Mr. Franklin stated that he published this book and denied that he wrote it…
It is essential that the government surveil for national security purposes such telephone calls, with or without a warrant from a judge, but with the authorization of America's President and Commander-in-Chief, because (1)America's Constitution is not a suicide pact, (2) terrorists have no right under it to privacy in telephoning, (3) an American's usual freedom from warrantless surveillance of telephone calls from abroad does not prevail when the government reasonably believes the telephone calls may involve terrorists plotting to attack America, (4) that freedom is hardly what the Founders considered "an essential liberty" and (5) protecting America from attacks like the September 11 attacks, or worse, is essential, and the time and attention needed to do the job as well as possible should not be wasted or diverted in order to follow time-consuming and, in such circumstance, needless, bureaucratic procedure when it is readily conceivable that terrorists will attack American cities with weapons of mass destruction, chemical, biological and/or even nuclear, and time is of the essence. At the signing of America's Declaration of Independence in 1776, Mr. Franklin did say: "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." He meant that the rebels would either band together as Americans or be hung individually at the gallows.
Egomaniacs and hedonistic fools did not win America's independence. We Americans of today should not allow egomaniacs and hedonistic fools among us to undermine America during the War on Terror and to endanger the lives of millions of us by treating telephone privacy as supremely important. (The telephone was invented long after America's Constitution was adopted and its Bill of Rights was ratified, so the Founders secured and maintained "essential liberty" without it.).
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the constitution is the law of the land and you can not make a law that over rides the constitution with out an amendment change to the constitution. who every this guy is that said that in your quote is a fool and is using fear to strip the bill of rights and constitution right out from under you. if you think giving up your liberty will save your freedom your wrong because liberty and freedom is the same thing.
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| (The telephone was invented long after America's Constitution was adopted and its Bill of Rights was ratified, so the Founders secured and maintained "essential liberty" without it.) |
this is a out right lie one again you can not make a law that over rides the constitution. |
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My younger brother told me the main reason some rich people are Democrats is because they wanted to protect their “elite” status. If income taxes were low, that would cause industrious people to be able to achieve wealth. So, if the wealthy by inheritance wanted to maintain their “elite” status, they might have to actually work to keep up. My niece, his daughter, proudly displayed a bumper sticker saying, “If Democrats were smart, they’d be Republican.” According to a news article I just read, they could be right.
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Private wealth specialists Lewis Schiff and Russ Alan Prince found the number of Americans with $1 million to $10 million had risen to 8.4 million households -- or 7.6 percent of U.S. households -- and was growing at 15 percent a year.
But instead of entering the echelons of the elite, these new millionaires adhere to middle-class values, earning their money rather than inheriting it, working 70 hours a week, and choosing neighbourhoods based on the quality of schools.
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http://in.reuters.com/article/topNews/idINIndia-30266720071101
I love reading the American dream success stories relating to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”. |
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Granny - Nice post & good read!  |
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| who every this guy is that said that in your quote is a fool and is using fear |
the author you are referring to is:
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| Michael J. Gaynor, born in New York in 1949, has been practicing law in New York for more than thirty years. A member of the Association of the Bar of the City of New York, he is now a solo practitioner and admitted to practice in the New York State courts, the United States District Court for the Southern and Eastern Districts of New York, and the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit… Gaynor has written articles and letters on political, legal and religious issues… |
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/gaynor/060121
Osama bin Laden’s biggest complaint is against anyone who supports Islam’s enemy, Israel. They hate both Jews and Christians. In bin Laden’s letter to the American people following the Sept. 11th attack, bin Laden stated what they want from us. Some people are willing to keep their heads buried in the sand and throw in the towel and let it happen.
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What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?
(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.
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MY God’s name IS NOT Allah! I will continue to fight for my 1st Amendment Constitutional right for freedom OF religion until God calls me home. Is it possible that Islam will be the one world religion during the Tribulation period? If after the born again Christians are “gathered home” those left behind want to submit to Islam that is totally up to them. But, they had better search the Scriptures to find out the eternal consequences of their actions. |
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Amen, Granny! |
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