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Granny
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject: How can Christians support a racist? |
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Have you heard much about Ron Paul being racist against blacks and Jewish people? As a Christian, I believe God loves ALL people regardless of race. According to the Bible, Jewish people are God’s chosen people.
What I read about Ron Paul’s comments about blacks affects MY family. My daughter is married to a black man, my son-in-law. Therefore, 4 of my grandchildren are mixed. One of my daughter’s best friends in high school (also black) asked my husband to give her away at her wedding because he was the only “Dad” she had. You should have seen the look on my son’s co-worker’s face when a tall, skinny, black man introduced this short, fat, white woman as “Mom.” I smiled and said, “Don’t you see the family resemblance?” She looked very confused and said, “No.” My son’s friend, Dre, replied, “This is Brad’s mom.” She said, “Oh! OK!”
Dre is one of the sweetest, hardest working young men I ever met. I asked him once why he was so different than the stereotyped black man. His answer was that his mom had told him if he didn’t like what people said about black men to PROVE he could be as good as ANY white man. He has.
Please visit these websites before voting.
The first was posted August 4, 1993 and was “Taken from the Ron Paul Political Report”
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.african.american/msg/c8668bd3662b0fa5
The second was an article in Houston Chronicle 5/23/1996
http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=1996_1343749 |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: How can Christians support a racist? |
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| Granny wrote: |
Have you heard much about Ron Paul being racist against blacks and Jewish people? As a Christian, I believe God loves ALL people regardless of race. According to the Bible, Jewish people are God’s chosen people.
What I read about Ron Paul’s comments about blacks affects MY family. My daughter is married to a black man, my son-in-law. Therefore, 4 of my grandchildren are mixed. One of my daughter’s best friends in high school (also black) asked my husband to give her away at her wedding because he was the only “Dad” she had. You should have seen the look on my son’s co-worker’s face when a tall, skinny, black man introduced this short, fat, white woman as “Mom.” I smiled and said, “Don’t you see the family resemblance?” She looked very confused and said, “No.” My son’s friend, Dre, replied, “This is Brad’s mom.” She said, “Oh! OK!”
Dre is one of the sweetest, hardest working young men I ever met. I asked him once why he was so different than the stereotyped black man. His answer was that his mom had told him if he didn’t like what people said about black men to PROVE he could be as good as ANY white man. He has.
Please visit these websites before voting.
The first was posted August 4, 1993 and was “Taken from the Ron Paul Political Report”
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.african.american/msg/c8668bd3662b0fa5
The second was an article in Houston Chronicle 5/23/1996
http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=1996_1343749 |
That's interesting, It still does not change my mind. I'm voting for Barack Obama. You should too. Mike Huckabee won't make it the distance anyway.
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2007/12/huckabee-homosexuality-environmentalism-book. html
Huckabee is certainly entitled to his religious beliefs and his own view of human nature. He is free to think that nonbelievers cannot be trusted. But should Huckabee be allowed to play both sides of the pulpit? Kids Who Kill presented a black-and-white perspective: environmentalists, homosexuals, civil libertarians, supporters of social programs, advocates of workplace equality, and nonbelievers are on the dark side and allied with the forces of decline; people who believe in the Bible are the decent Americans. In 1998, Huckabee was claiming a religion-oriented cultural war was under way in the United States and he was happy to be a warrior for his side. Now he says he wants to bring together a "polarized" society. His 1998 book—full of unforgiving rhetoric—indicates that Huckabee is more comfortable creating divides than bridging them. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: How can Christians support a racist? |
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| Granny wrote: |
Have you heard much about Ron Paul being racist against blacks and Jewish people? As a Christian, I believe God loves ALL people regardless of race. According to the Bible, Jewish people are God’s chosen people.
What I read about Ron Paul’s comments about blacks affects MY family. My daughter is married to a black man, my son-in-law. Therefore, 4 of my grandchildren are mixed. One of my daughter’s best friends in high school (also black) asked my husband to give her away at her wedding because he was the only “Dad” she had. You should have seen the look on my son’s co-worker’s face when a tall, skinny, black man introduced this short, fat, white woman as “Mom.” I smiled and said, “Don’t you see the family resemblance?” She looked very confused and said, “No.” My son’s friend, Dre, replied, “This is Brad’s mom.” She said, “Oh! OK!”
Dre is one of the sweetest, hardest working young men I ever met. I asked him once why he was so different than the stereotyped black man. His answer was that his mom had told him if he didn’t like what people said about black men to PROVE he could be as good as ANY white man. He has.
Please visit these websites before voting.
The first was posted August 4, 1993 and was “Taken from the Ron Paul Political Report”
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.african.american/msg/c8668bd3662b0fa5
The second was an article in Houston Chronicle 5/23/1996
http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=1996_1343749 |
granny have you looked in the mirror? how many kinds of people do you hate because your religion says its ok? ron paul is an honest man and he can defend him self, if you like to see what ron pail really thinks about racism check out the videos in the ron paul post.
me i think racism is a tool just like religion, its to keep people separated and fighting with each other while the power that may be stays in control. we have a two party system that works together to keep anyone else from getting a peace of the pie. why do you think ron paul wont run as an independent? its because the democrats and republicans have stacked the deck against any other party from getting into power.
you vote for any one other then ron paul then the status quo stays the same. im not voting for ron paul, i'm voting for his message of the government obeying the constitution! |
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| granny have you looked in the mirror? how many kinds of people do you hate because your religion says its ok? |
I try not to look in the mirror anymore than I have, too. Some OLD woman keeps looking back at me. As for the other part, I don't hate anyone. My Bible tells me we are supposed to love our enemies and pray for those who despitefully use us. Mike Huckabee stands for both the Constitution and the Bible. He agrees with Paul about the printing of money. The biggest difference between the two is the fact that Paul believes in the blame America "war propaganda" theory. If Muslim extremist say their scripture tells them they will rule the world and to kill anyone that won't submit to them, how can anyone believe Paul's theory  We need a President that will also protect Americans from enemy that will not quit until they achieve their goal. Mike Huckabee realizes the true threat of a religious war. |
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January 7, 2008, 7:10 AM
Huckabee Sounding A Little Like Ron Paul
Posted by Joy Lin| Comments94
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From CBS News' Joy Lin:
WINDHAM, N.H. -- Speaking to a packed gymnasium Sunday, Mike Huckabee sounded off on how politicians in Washington, D.C. had spent beyond their public mandate. He then threw in a line about money printing that could have come out of Ron Paul’s mouth.
“We sent them there to cut spending, and they didn’t do it. They’ve spent more money than has ever been spent. Guess where that money is coming from. Your pocket," Huckabee said.
"Just remember this, when government says we’re giving you things, remember before the government can give you something, the government has to take it from you first. And the handling charge is extraordinary.”
“We need to say no to government spending when it’s wrecking our grandchildren’s futures. Nine trilllion dollars worth of debt on your credit card that somebody transferred to the next several generations. That’s irresponsible. And what’s their answer? Spend more. Print more, spend more.”
Interestingly, Huckabee’s words sound like an issues statement on fellow candidate Ron Paul's campaign website. It's not plagiarism, but their points are quite similar: “Today, too many politicians and lobbyists are spending America into ruin. We are nine trillion dollars in debt as a nation. Our mounting government debt endangers the financial future of our children and grandchildren. If we don’t cut spending now, higher taxes and economic disaster will be in their future — and yours. In addition, the Federal Reserve, our central bank, fosters runaway debt by increasing the money supply — making each dollar in your pocket worth less.”
At the Jan. 5 GOP debate, Ron Paul said “We run up the deficits. We tax. We borrow. We borrow from the Chinese. We can't borrow enough. Then what do we do? We print the money.”
Paul has consistently accused the government of feeding inflation by printing more money to pay debt.
Huckabee didn’t venture into the subject of inflation today, but rather continued on to revisit his own record as governor. He noted that as governor he had balanced the budget every year, transforming a budget with a $200 million deficit into an $850 million surplus when he left office.
“That’s how it’s supposed to work. Not to leave debt to your children, but leave things in better shape, not worse,” Huckabee said.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/01/06/politics/fromtheroad/entry3680193.shtml
huckabee is johnny come lately and is only pandering to the nh voters. just another clinton and will say any thing to get elected. |
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When I first saw the video, I thought those people seem sincere; but unfortunately, they are sincerely wrong. They obviously pick and choose which parts of the Bible they want to believe. Did they miss what Jesus said in Matthew 10:34? “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.”
Jesus Christ will come as the Prince of Peace AFTER the Rapture (“calling away” or gathering of His church) AND the Tribulation. During the Tribulation period many Christian Jews and Gentiles will be martyred. Revelation 6:9-10 (KJV) “And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?”
Now, let’s answer the question, “What would Jesus bomb?”
God begins to answer the cry for revenge of those that choose Him during the Tribulation period in Revelation 8:4-6 (KJV) “And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.”
I have heard this explained as God’s military order, “Ready, aim fire!” God’s “military” starts “bombing” in the next verse. Read the rest of THE Book. |
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granny i do not think the point is what jesus is going to do when he comes back but, how would jesus act and want you to act. me, i think jesus would only fight the just war and only want for us to fight the just war. if jesus was here he would never lie to get you to fight a war! can you find me a bible quote that says its ok to fight an unjust war? when a government has to lie to the people to get them to go to war its not longer a just war.
so if you ask me granny the true meaning of "what would jesus do" was not to inspire us to go around chopping heads off with a sword that we pull from our mouths but to live the life that jesus led when he last walk the earth and that was peace and love. |
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Whatever happened to this one. I think Jesus will take care of the sword swallowing, he wants us to do this
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." ( John 13:34) |
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Whatever happened to this one. I think Jesus will take care of the sword swallowing, he wants us to do this
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." ( John 13:34) |
obviously your picking and choosing which parts of the Bible you want to believe funguy  , because only granny's interpretation of the bible is the correct one. most people don't read the bible and think for them selfs most people read the bible and then think the way there church tells them to think. i think this is where the book of jude comes into play. i also know and believe that bad people have mislead good people with religion for there own personal greed. |
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obviously your picking and choosing which parts of the Bible you want to believe funguy , because only granny's interpretation of the bible is the correct one. most people don't read the bible and think for them selfs most people read the bible and then think the way there church tells them to think. i think this is where the book of jude comes into play. i also know and believe that bad people have mislead good people with religion for there own personal greed. |
Yeah brother, I'm weird like that, I don't believe that a nation built on christian values should use unprovoked military action against any other nation. Why are we the policemen of the world? What gives us that right?
I don't know everything, in fact I don't know much, that's why I ask alot of questions.
Since God is all knowing and already knows everything that will ever happen, why does using embrionic stem cells that would never produce life anyway,( he knows this) equal murder?
Why did he send his son, to tell us to love one another and we translate that into we need to kill one another?
Isn't "holy war" a contridiction of terms? |
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| Since God is all knowing and already knows everything that will ever happen, why does using embrionic stem cells that would never produce life anyway,( he knows this) equal murder? |
I found an interesting article today....
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By Julie Steenhuysen
Sun Jan 13, 2:41 PM ET
CHICAGO (Reuters) - U.S. researchers say they have coaxed hearts from dead rats to beat again in the laboratory and said the discovery may one day lead to customized organ transplants for people.
Taylor and colleagues used a process called decellularization to wash away existing cells from the hearts of dead rats while leaving the basic collagen structure intact.
They injected this gelatin-like scaffold with heart cells from newborn rats, fed them a nutrient-rich solution and left them in the lab to grow.
Four days later, the hearts started to contract.
The researchers used a pacemaker to coordinate the contractions. They hooked up the hearts to a pump so they were being filled with fluids and added a bit of pressure to simulate blood pressure.
Eight days later, the hearts started to pump.
"I have got to tell you, that was the home run," Taylor said in a telephone interview. |
Complete article found here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080113/sc_nm/heart_artificial_dc |
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Spinal cord injuries and stem cells
A treatment derived from human embryonic stem cells improves mobility in rats with spinal cord injuries, providing the first physical evidence that the therapeutic use of these cells can help restore motor skills lost from acute spinal cord tissue damage.
full article here
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Stem cells and Pakinson's disease
These results suggest that transplantation using embryonic stem cells as a clinical therapy for Parkinson's disease is approaching the point of technical feasibility.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4134343.stm |
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Didn't God say he would help those that help themselves? That's what my son in law in a wheelchair and my father in law with Parkinson's disease are trying to do. |
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| granny have you looked in the mirror? how many kinds of people do you hate because your religion says its ok? |
I try not to look in the mirror anymore than I have, too. Some OLD woman keeps looking back at me. As for the other part, I don't hate anyone. My Bible tells me we are supposed to love our enemies and pray for those who despitefully use us. Mike Huckabee stands for both the Constitution and the Bible. He agrees with Paul about the printing of money. The biggest difference between the two is the fact that Paul believes in the blame America "war propaganda" theory. If Muslim extremist say their scripture tells them they will rule the world and to kill anyone that won't submit to them, how can anyone believe Paul's theory We need a President that will also protect Americans from enemy that will not quit until they achieve their goal. Mike Huckabee realizes the true threat of a religious war. |
Yet the bible can be twisted or thought to mean different things to fit a purpose
Hell, up until the 70s, the mormon religion said black people were cursed, hence why they were black |
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