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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:56 am    Post subject: “cleric working toward 'Islamic State of North America'”
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states explicitly on the website for his organization that he is part of a movement working toward replacement of the U.S. government with "the Islamic State of North America" by 2050.
With branches in Oakland, Los Angeles, San Diego, Sacramento and Philadelphia, the group As-Sabiqun – or the Vanguard – is under the leadership of Abdul Alim Musa in the nation's capital.
Musa's declaration of his intention to help lead a takeover of America was highlighted by noted Islam observer Robert Spencer on his website Jihad Watch.
Spencer told WND that figures such as Musa should not be ignored, "Not because they have the power to succeed, but because they may commit acts of violence to achieve their purpose."
Musa's website declares: "Those who engage in this great effort require a high level of commitment and determination. We are sending out a call to the believers: Join with us in this great struggle to change the world!"

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58616
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject:
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Near the bottom of the page you could click on links for previous stories.  This one, titled “Muslims declare sovereignty over U.S., UK”, was posted July 9, 2007.  The following quote plus an audio link, where you can actually “Listen to interview with Abu Saif” while reading the story, was near the middle close to the picture with 2 guys and a microphone.  

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The Muslim leader said he does not believe in democracy and insists there is no such thing as freedom of religion, "because freedom is an absolute term."
"Are we to say that Muslims can fully practice religion in America," he asked in an attempt to explain. "Say, for instance, I was a Muslim in America. Could I call for the destruction of the American government and establishment of an Islamic state in America? No. So where is the freedom of religion? There is none."
Humphries asked: "Do you call for that?"
"Of course," he replied, "we want Islam to be a source of governance for all of mankind. And we also believe that one day America will be ruled by Islam."
Abu Saif explained Islam, like Christianity, has a prophetic tradition.
"One of the prophecies of the message of Muhammad was the hour will never come, i.e., the last day – which you also believe in – will never come until a group of the Muslims … will rise and conquer the white house."
The reference, many Muslims believe today, is to America's symbol of executive power.
Islamic leaders in the U.S. largely have been careful to not assert publicly the Muslim belief that Islam ultimately will gain worldwide supremacy. As WND reported, Omar Ahmad, the founder of a prominent U.S.-based Islamic lobby group, denies a newspaper report that he told a group of Muslims in the San Francisco Bay area they are in America not to assimilate but to help bring about Islam's rule over the nation.
Like other protesters, Abu Saif presented a typical list of grievances Muslims have with the U.S. and Britain, such as the nations' part in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the wars in Afghanistan and Iran.
But the Islamic leader admitted he believes Jews and Christians will always hate Muslims, because Allah has said it is so.
"There's nothing we can do to be friends?" Humphries asked.
Abu Saif replied: "There is something you can do to be friends. You can become Muslim."
He also had a simple solution to the conflict in the Holy Land.
"We want the Jews to leave Israel, and to hand the whole of Israel, not just Gaza and the West Bank – the whole of Israel to the Muslims. Only then will the Muslims stop."

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56503
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:14 pm    Post subject:
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I am a jail chaplain, and I can tell you that Islam is the fastest growing religion among inmates in the U.S.
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