Curious , does anyone have dealings with the often under estatmated M-1 carbine, its what I use with 30 rd mags. In my A.O. 0-50 yards is the clearest shootin range, some place 75-85 yards( except on power & pipe lines. I use S&B FMjs & Korean Mil Surp ammo.
I know all the bad press about the carbine and the good press as well...
If it wasnt for the M-2 Carbine(selectfire M-1) I wouldn't have a Dad.
Although I have been thinking of getting a CETME, my brother elt me use his for awhile & I loved it as much as my Carbine.
The .30 Carbine round is a handgun round, not a true rifle round. For that reason, it is illegal in most jurisdictions to use that round for hunting. Sure, deer can be taken with that round but, not reliably.
I liked the .30 carbine as a kind of back up weapon. It had a lot of history behind it and each time I carried mine, I would imagine how it may have been used in World War II. It's a great little gun, great accuracy, low recoil, etc. Still it is a pipsqueak round.
Aside from that, my objections are as follows:
Ammo: In Shotgun News, the price of .30 Carbine is $137.45 for 500 rounds. Ammo for the ballistically superior 7.62 x 39 is $147.98 for 700 rounds (www.jgsales.com) Admittedly the .30 Carbine is reloadable
Weapon cost: Carbines are in the $500 price range and up (run a search for them over at www.gunbroker.com) That's more than an SKS, about the same for a NEW AK, and getting into the ballpark of an FN / FAL
Parts: While there are few parts around, they are much harder to find than the traditional primary weapons (AK, AR, FAL, etc.) Admittedly, parts are probably more plentiful than those for the M1A / M14
Ballistics: Got this from Wikipedia...
"The .30 Carbine cartridge was intermediate in both muzzle energy (ME) and muzzle velocity (MV). It is essentially a rimless version of the obsolete .32 Winchester Self-Loading cartridge. The .30 Carbine had a round-nose 110 gr (7.1 g) bullet, in contrast to the spitzer bullet designs found in most full-power rifle cartridges of the day. From the M1 Carbine's 18 in (457 mm) barrel, the .30 Carbine cartridge produced a muzzle velocity of approximately 1,970 ft/s (600 m/s), a velocity between that of contemporary submachine guns (approximately 900 ft/s (274 m/s) to 1,600 ft/s (488 m/s)) and full-power rifles and light machine guns (approximately 2,400 ft/s (732 m/s) to 2,800 ft/s (853 m/s)). For example, the U.S. M3 submachinegun, chambered in .45 ACP, had a MV of 920 ft/s (280 m/s); the British Bren light machine gun in .303 British reached 2,440 ft/s (744 m/s); the M1 Garand firing .30-'06 had a MV of 2,800 ft/s (853 m/s). At the M1 Carbine's maximum listed range of 300 yards, its bullet has about the same energy as pistol rounds like the 7mm Nambu do at the muzzle. Bullet drop is significant past 200 yards"
The .30 Carbine will be great if you want it for general home protection, to ward off dogs, the home burglar looking for drug money, or just plain old shooting fun with some nostalgia behind it. But, it isn't adequate for a citizen - soldier role IMO. You won't find no AP bullets for it and it has no long range capability. But, again, it is a great rifle depending upon your expectations. And how can you not hold one of the originals and wonder what soldier carried it and its history?
I have 2 in my collection. It was originally seen as a replacement for the 1911A-1, and about all you can say for it is that at anything but for up close and personal, it's better that a handgun.
That said, they are great shooters for plinking and I enjoy mine very much.
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