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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject:
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McCain used the "Obama is an empty suit" platform for quite some time, then he chose a 44 year old Governor with just a little over 20 months experience.

Granted, Regan was 70 when he was elected and by the time he left office his age was showing. (See, I did pay attention in your classes Mr B...) We are realistically looking at McCain being 80 when he leaves office if reelected for a second term......


Yeah eaxcept that Mcains vice prez pick has more experience then Obama who wants to be president. I still think Obamas lack of experiecne is still a issue.  Just like Mcains age is an issue. If he does serve both terms no doubt he will be one old dude. But Obama also has zero experience at all. I heard about 140 days as a senator. That is it! He does give a good speech though and seems like a good guy.I don't like his VP choice though. That guy is creepy. Mcains VP pick is a hot momma!  Razz


Ugh. The way you talk you must be a republican.

McCain is trying to grab up some women votes. That is pretty insulting. Obama talks a bunch but has almost no actual experience. Neither one of those two are worth a damn.

I wish Al Gore would have run. He should have been our president right now if the election had not been stolen.  Only in America!
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:52 pm    Post subject:
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I have been reading that many experts consider this a "lesser of two evils election". If McCain gets elected, it won't be that good, but if Obama gets elected it won't be that bad.
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject:
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I am McCain 100%  The guy has the best record of public service of anyone who had run for president since I don't know how long.  His age doesn't mean jack to me. 72 years old so what. What is it about this country that just throws away old people like they don't count anymore. How about placing some value on experience and wisdom huh? Obama is nothing new. He is saying the same old democrat promises blah blah blah. McCain fought his own party all the time. He is no Bush that is for sure. And I like his VP choice also. Tough lady who is shaking up the GOB system in Alaska. She shows a lot more toughness then Obama ever has and has more experience to boot. Heck Obama picks as his VP a guy who said over and over again that Obama was not ready to lead. Total politics. I will be very proud to cast my vote for McCain this year. He is the most honorable man to run for office in my lifetime and some say I am old as dirt so there.
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:49 am    Post subject:
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Nice discussion - each post shows enthusiasm without getting overtly aggressive.

I agree the McCain appears to be a very honorable man.  If some in here have not investigated his time in Vietnam as a POW, I urge you to do so.  And to those who would argue that time in his life has no meaning on this political campaign, I must simply and profoundly disagree with you.  His ability to survive and return with his soul intact despite treatment that would have left 99% of us mere broken shells, is something I have the utmost respect for.

As to his age - that is a legitimate concern.  To a point.  It is not enough to disgard him as a candidate.  Yes, 72 years of age is hardly young, but by today's standards, it is becoming less "old" as well.  McCain has released more health records than any other candidate in the history of presidential politics.  He appears in far better health than say, JFK, who suffered from a myriad of health problems.  He is also in better health than Eisenhower, Johnson, or FDR to name a few.  So while McCain's age can be a factor in determining his suitability as president, I would place it as a minor factor at best...

...though his choice of Palin of course might relegate that concern a few notches higher.  Then again, Palin has more executive experience as the Republican's #2 than does Obama as the Democrat's #1, so that arguement could prove a difficult one for the Democrats to successfully make. - though they certainly will try.  As I already stated, I find Palin's story and her already significant accomplishments in Alaska to be impressive and show great potential.  She was a surprising choice, but that is the McCain style.

Then we have Obama.  I like Obama.  As a stylistic orator he ranks among the best of the modern era - and certainly rivals Clinton as the most capable of the last 20 years.  Where Obama falls short - is he is short on substance.  He dazzles at the outset, but as time goes on, one keeps waiting to get the details and those details have yet to surface.  Obama is a bit of a Gatsby-like enigma.  Did anyone else note the odd absence of speeches from Obama family and friends? Only his wife played that part.  Some argue that this is because Obama really has no friends.  He has many who admire, but few who call him friend, and those who do, have been deemed too antagonistic to present safely to the public.  (Goddamn America!) Is there real depth to Obama?  That remains uncertain.  His potential is undeniable.  Can he meet that great potential?  Again, that remains a mystery.  The bloom has come off the Obama rose just a bit.  If he can prove himself both tough and intelligent during the debates, I believe he will become the next president. If Obama falters during those debates, even slightly, it will prove too much a risk for those Americans who while admiring his speechifying, remain skeptical of his ability to actually lead.

That leaves Joe Biden. Ah, this one is far simpler for me.  I detest Joe Biden.  He is a DC-fixture.  An entrenched party soldier who talks brash and tough, with a voting record that opposes anything resembling brash or tough.  Like McCain, Obama made a calculated political decision in tapping Biden.  Good ole' Joe is meant to minimize the fears of Obama's lack of experience.  Will it be enough?  Maybe. It is also quite possible that Biden will open his mouth and stay something so stupid, so insensitive, that he will do great harm to the campaign.  He is not terribly liked within his own party - there is more than a bit of risk that he will prove less liked by American voters as a whole.  The debate between he and Palin should prove interesting though.  

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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:22 am    Post subject:
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Nice discussion - each post shows enthusiasm without getting overtly aggressive.

I agree the McCain appears to be a very honorable man.  If some in here have not investigated his time in Vietnam as a POW, I urge you to do so.  And to those who would argue that time in his life has no meaning on this political campaign, I must simply and profoundly disagree with you.  His ability to survive and return with his soul intact despite treatment that would have left 99% of us mere broken shells, is something I have the utmost respect for.

As to his age - that is a legitimate concern.  To a point.  It is not enough to disgard him as a candidate.  Yes, 72 years of age is hardly young, but by today's standards, it is becoming less "old" as well.  McCain has released more health records than any other candidate in the history of presidential politics.  He appears in far better health than say, JFK, who suffered from a myriad of health problems.  He is also in better health than Eisenhower, Johnson, or FDR to name a few.  So while McCain's age can be a factor in determining his suitability as president, I would place it as a minor factor at best...

...though his choice of Palin of course might relegate that concern a few notches higher.  Then again, Palin has more executive experience as the Republican's #2 than does Obama as the Democrat's #1, so that arguement could prove a difficult one for the Democrats to successfully make. - though they certainly will try.  As I already stated, I find Palin's story and her already significant accomplishments in Alaska to be impressive and show great potential.  She was a surprising choice, but that is the McCain style.

Then we have Obama.  I like Obama.  As a stylistic orator he ranks among the best of the modern era - and certainly rivals Clinton as the most capable of the last 20 years.  Where Obama falls short - is he is short on substance.  He dazzles at the outset, but as time goes on, one keeps waiting to get the details and those details have yet to surface.  Obama is a bit of a Gatsby-like enigma.  Did anyone else note the odd absence of speeches from Obama family and friends? Only his wife played that part.  Some argue that this is because Obama really has no friends.  He has many who admire, but few who call him friend, and those who do, have been deemed too antagonistic to present safely to the public.  (Goddamn America!) Is there real depth to Obama?  That remains uncertain.  His potential is undeniable.  Can he meet that great potential?  Again, that remains a mystery.  The bloom has come off the Obama rose just a bit.  If he can prove himself both tough and intelligent during the debates, I believe he will become the next president. If Obama falters during those debates, even slightly, it will prove too much a risk for those Americans who while admiring his speechifying, remain skeptical of his ability to actually lead.

That leaves Joe Biden. Ah, this one is far simpler for me.  I detest Joe Biden.  He is a DC-fixture.  An entrenched party soldier who talks brash and tough, with a voting record that opposes anything resembling brash or tough.  Like McCain, Obama made a calculated political decision in tapping Biden.  Good ole' Joe is meant to minimize the fears of Obama's lack of experience.  Will it be enough?  Maybe. It is also quite possible that Biden will open his mouth and stay something so stupid, so insensitive, that he will do great harm to the campaign.  He is not terribly liked within his own party - there is more than a bit of risk that he will prove less liked by American voters as a whole.  The debate between he and Palin should prove interesting though.  

Keep the comments coming!


Uh JFK was about 45 when he became president and McCain is 72. How can you say McCain is healthier than JFK?  You like to talk about history but do you actually know it?  Laughing  Laughing
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:29 pm    Post subject:
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Wow the Fred Tompson speech last night was really great.  I had never heard the full view of the McCain pow story like that before. What am incredible story of toughness! Am looking foward to hearing from Palin tonight to see what she is about.  Was leaning Obama but now I am not so sure about that. Last night really made an impact on that choice. Tonight might decide it for me.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:49 pm    Post subject:
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Wow the Fred Tompson speech last night was really great.  I had never heard the full view of the McCain pow story like that before. What am incredible story of toughness! Am looking foward to hearing from Palin tonight to see what she is about.  Was leaning Obama but now I am not so sure about that. Last night really made an impact on that choice. Tonight might decide it for me.


Why do you need to wait to hear from a white trash baby making machine from a backwoods state who can't even keep her own teenage daughter from getting knocked up? Wake up and smell the coffee! No way in hell is that woman fit to be a vice president.  She is a walking talking Jerry Springer show!  Laughing  Laughing
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject:
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Wow the Fred Tompson speech last night was really great.  I had never heard the full view of the McCain pow story like that before. What am incredible story of toughness! Am looking foward to hearing from Palin tonight to see what she is about.  Was leaning Obama but now I am not so sure about that. Last night really made an impact on that choice. Tonight might decide it for me.


Why do you need to wait to hear from a white trash baby making machine from a backwoods state who can't even keep her own teenage daughter from getting knocked up? Wake up and smell the coffee! No way in hell is that woman fit to be a vice president.  She is a walking talking Jerry Springer show!  Laughing  Laughing


Gee you sure are smart.  Real classy also.  Keep up the great work.  Rolling Eyes
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject:
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The supporting cast for the Republican convention was superior to that of the Dem's convention.  Palen proved herself both viable and formidable as a candidate, though she will certainly face more tough challenges ahead as the backlash against her being chosen as McCain's running mate continues in earnest.

McCain's speech was acceptable - a bit long, sometimes sounding tired, though it finished  on a strong note.

The polls are indicating a very close race - and a race that will be historic regardless of who wins, and that is a good thing for the nation as  a whole.
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject:
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DBoucher wrote:
The supporting cast for the Republican convention was superior to that of the Dem's convention.  Palen proved herself both viable and formidable as a candidate, though she will certainly face more tough challenges ahead as the backlash against her being chosen as McCain's running mate continues in earnest.

McCain's speech was acceptable - a bit long, sometimes sounding tired, though it finished  on a strong note.

The polls are indicating a very close race - and a race that will be historic regardless of who wins, and that is a good thing for the nation as  a whole.


Old man and a backwoods redneck. The republicans sure know how to pick them.  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:33 am    Post subject:
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After watching republicans and a good portion of our country get swept up in the Palin frenzy over the better portion of the last couple of weeks, I've concluded that this presidential election isn't going to be decided based off what the candidates stand for. I've decided that this election is going to be decided based off the majority of voters voting based on party, race and gender rather then issues, politics and who is the stronger candidate.

What if McCain had picked a little known "small town" politician who was a male? Would we be seeing the same media frenzy that Palin has received? More so, if Obama was white would he be nearly the popular candidate he is today, having almost a "celebrity" like status?

All I'm saying is this. I hopped aboard the Obama train a long time ago because of his overwhelming positing outlook towards the future. It is encouraging. I am voting for Obama because I see him as a politician who's political views I agree with and I like what he is promising if elected president. I never once considered voting for him because he is black. Too many are hitching their bandwagon to  Obama simply because of his ethnicity. This is wrong. And too many women are supporting Palin simply because she is a women and they can identify better with her. That is wrong. I don't like that Obama has the majority support of Black Voters and that Palin will have a strong female following simply because those voters share a similar ethnicity or gender as the candidate.

It's sickening. I'm going to go crazy the next time I see a woman being interviewed on the news saying, "I think it's great she could be in the White House," followed by a female empowerment statement or something to that effect. I don't want to see her in the White House simply because she's a woman and it would be groundbreaking. Same for Obama, don't vote for him just because he'd be the first black President. I'm not trying to come across as sexist or racist here, anyone who knows me knows that's not my game. All I'm trying to say is if you're going to support Palin or Obama, support them because you like them as politicians, not that you identify with them based off WHO they are.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject:
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Go Boeing!  And for the presidential election I am going McCainand Palin because they have actually fought for what hthey believe in even against there own party. Obama can talk really well but he has not fought for anything and he is just not ready for the prime time in my opinion.  My family is long time democrats. I almost alwasy support that democrat party. But we did support Reagan back in the day and now we are going to support John McCain. He is ready to lead the country and his vp pick is the kind of hard fighiting politician that we need. I really liked her take on family value and low taxes and stronger defense and she is a union family so they know what that is like also. I will tell you what. about half my union brothers and sisters at Boeing are voting republican this time out.  That is huge. If Obama can't get the union vote he is toast. End of story.  Support your american workers people! We support you! American made all the way!!!!!!!!
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